08:53 <nickoe> Do wolfspraul hang around in here sometimes?

08:54 <kyak> !seen wolfspraul

08:54 <qi-bot> kyak, wolfspraul (~wolfsprau@wsip-174-79-250-235.sd.sd.cox.net) was last seen quitting #qi-hardware 5 hours 58 minutes ago (17.10. 02:55) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 6 hours 54 minutes there.

08:54 <nickoe> kyak: oh, great :)

08:55 <kyak> nickoe: unfortunately, "hang" is the best word to describe him being here -\

08:55 <nickoe> kyak: ok

08:56 <nickoe> Are all of you actively doing qi-hardware dev (except wolfspraul)?

09:13 <roh> i've seen him in person some time ago

09:13 <roh> few weeks.

09:34 <roh> he'd doing some kind of long-term project. one of the kind that takes 18 years till 'release'

09:42 <larsc> 18 years is very optimisic, usually there are some delays ;)

09:44 <nickoe> roh: ohh, well, then I guess he is kind of busy at times.

23:25 <DocScrutinizer05> growing chips built by germs on a substrate of dry ice?

23:26 <wpwrak> what's the name of that scifi/horror movie again ? :)

23:29 <wpwrak> ubuntu has an interesting approach to upgrade conflict resolution: if something goes wrong, it rolls back to some semi-updated state. this takes a long time. then you can try to fix the conflict, which usually just takes a few minutes (the original error message if hidden somewhere in thousands of lines of rollback noise, so you won't be able to find that one and have to experiment).

23:29 <wpwrak> then you can try to upgrade again, which again takes virtually forever ...

23:30 <DocScrutinizer05> buntkuh, meh

23:30 <DocScrutinizer05> steer clear of canonical, all times!

23:30 <wpwrak> (just updating some ancient systems to 13.04 ... not touching just released 13.10 yet. let others find the bugs :)

23:31 <DocScrutinizer05> good luck! 13.04 also killed maemo servers

23:31 <wpwrak> well, so far it still doesn't give me too much trouble. it's getting worse, though. you can feel them pushing towards a proprietary environment

23:31 <wpwrak> 13.04 works fine for me. it's what i have on my workstation.

23:32 <roh> hm.. why run anything besides lts on servers?

23:32 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, maybe you don't have NFS mounts

23:32 <wpwrak> oh, tons of them

23:32 <roh> i am just updating everything to 12.04 ;)

23:32 <DocScrutinizer05> good luck then

23:32 <wpwrak> none of my ubuntu machines are really servers. at least not all of the time.

23:33 <whitequark> canonical :/

23:33 <DocScrutinizer05> 13.04 comes with a "smart improvement" that allows more than 16 groups per user: it simply uses target machine's etc/groups

23:33 <wpwrak> my one full-time server still runs gentoo. of course, completely un-upgradeable by now ...

23:33 <whitequark> :/ :/

23:33 <DocScrutinizer05> REAL fun!

23:34 <wpwrak> luckily, firewalls didn't change much in the last seven or so years

23:35 <wpwrak> yeah, oldest files in /usr/bin are from august 2006. back then, they still made hardware that lasts ;-)

23:36 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like my dd-wrt

23:36 <DocScrutinizer05> Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (07/22/09) mini

23:36 <wpwrak> one of the infested ones ? :)

23:37 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, the linksys DR-615 is retired

23:37 <roh> i recently found an plastic router with openwrt from 2003 or so i think

23:37 <DocScrutinizer05> err D-link DR-615

23:37 <roh> or 2004?

23:38 <DocScrutinizer05> this is a linksys wr54g(ß)

23:38 <DocScrutinizer05> (?)

23:38 <roh> it was doing nat on an blue original wrt, jup

23:38 <whitequark> blue original = wrt54gl?

23:38 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe gl

23:39 <roh> but i really started using it on white russian on the white wl500gp lateron

23:39 <roh> g

23:39 <roh> no l back then

23:39 <whitequark> right

23:39 <whitequark> well, g = gl pretty much

23:39 <DocScrutinizer05> you know those critters have no decent boiler plate

23:39 <whitequark> and it's a really crappy device :/

23:39 <whitequark> broadcom, seriously underpowered also

23:39 <wpwrak> long-lasting :)

23:39 <DocScrutinizer05> well

23:39 <whitequark> wpwrak: rocks last even longer !

23:39 <DocScrutinizer05> got it for free and just works

23:40 <whitequark> well, if you never want to transmit more than like five megabits

23:40 <whitequark> it works ;)

23:40 <roh> jup. ugly as hell hw. optical as well as electrical. but solid enough

23:40 <DocScrutinizer05> Time: 01:41:40 up 117 days, 18:59, load average: 0.16, 0.04, 0.01

23:41 <roh> then kamikaze on fonera boxes, and the last few years mainly tplink ar71xx stuff

23:41 <wpwrak> i have three categories for technology: 0) the kind i don't care about. 1) the kind i want to play with. 2) the kind i just expect to work. and i really hate it if something from category 2 tries to force its way into category 1.

23:41 <roh> we still have some wl500gp in use. (asus brcm)

23:42 <whitequark> lol, my router (openwrt attitude adjustment, cheap tplink thingy):

23:42 <whitequark> 03:41:14 up 44 days, 16:34, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04

23:42 <roh> tops out at 50mbit flatline... while doing iptables and routing with lots of vlans (~12)

23:42 <whitequark> my notebook: 03:42:01 up 76 days, 3:46, 5 users, load average: 1.19, 1.38, 1.63

23:42 <whitequark> completely accidental, even

23:42 <roh> but soon it will be a fresh atheros one with gbit and routing >100mbit

23:42 <DocScrutinizer05> this thing now just does switch, DHCP, and AP

23:42 <whitequark> roh: it's really bad if your isp wants l2tp

23:42 <whitequark> because it does aes in sw

23:43 <roh> whitequark: hehe..its pppoe usually here

23:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, and NAT

23:43 <whitequark> roh: same difference

23:43 <DocScrutinizer05> and I guess there it already starts to suck

23:43 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: yes

23:43 <whitequark> it's about 20mbit/s nat iirc

23:43 <whitequark> maybe 15

23:44 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I got a max 16Mbit downlink 2 up here

23:44 <DocScrutinizer05> and this linksys is 2nd level NAT and not exposed to intarnets

23:45 <DocScrutinizer05> 1st level NAT is a fritzbox at my neighbour's and THAT sucks!

23:46 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't even handle the damn SIP-ALG on that shite box

23:47 <DocScrutinizer05> since it's in the chain, my SIP clients frequently have connection issues which cure when getting a new DHCP lease

23:48 <DocScrutinizer05> obviously STUNlib and SIP-ALG on fritzbox don't play nice together when a 2nd NAT is between them

23:49 <DocScrutinizer05> and for the life of mine I can't get SIP-ALG on the friggin fritzbox disabled

23:51 <DocScrutinizer05> a PITA when you don't have either physical access or a IPMI console to a device. You become reluctant to flash new bios/firmware and the like

23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> and on this particular model of fritzbox it's really hard to get any telnet or ssh into the thing

23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> sucks

23:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm honestly planning to replace that crap by a panasonic CF-25

23:55 <DocScrutinizer05> the CF-25 at least has a decent handle to smash it against the wall

23:55 <DocScrutinizer05> (poor wall!)