01:54 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: that would be me and paulfertser

01:55 <DocScrutinizer05> alas I'm totally out of the loop with that. If you can do your own FOSS verification according to the rules stated on wiki, then pick a PID also according to the scheme there, drop me a note any I'll add it to wiki

01:55 <DocScrutinizer05> given the wiki would work for once

01:57 <DocScrutinizer05> seems the serbver is totally overloaded - it has only 32GB and 8 cores, evidently way too flimsy for a simple wiki and PLANET and CLAMAV and TRACK

01:57 <DocScrutinizer05> </sarcasm>

02:00 <DocScrutinizer05> Load average: 0.17 4.04 6.32

02:00 <DocScrutinizer05> at 240 at times

02:01 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2018/05/02/plasma-desktopd22448.png

02:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, and no arbitrary random PIDs please

02:03 <DocScrutinizer05> no vanity PIDs

02:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, now I get it, this is about Qi, not about OM

02:09 <DocScrutinizer05> thought you were talking about http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Product_IDs#Conditions

02:09 <DocScrutinizer05> which is still dead, even with a load of only 0.21

02:14 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: http://wklej.org/id/3431364

02:23 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: I thought I was talking about OM too

02:23 <whitequark> but wpwrak gave me a Qi PID and I mean that works too

02:23 <whitequark> it's not like I care which VID it is

02:23 <whitequark> I didn't even know Qi has a VID it gives away PIDs for...

02:23 <DocScrutinizer05> well, now you are " Official Qi hardware products [which] have been assigned the following USB product IDs"

02:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not sure it may

02:24 <whitequark> doesn't Werner own Qi or whatever remains of it?

02:24 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc OM was pretty much the last VID that had a contratc that didn'T explicitly rule out such sharing

02:25 <whitequark> does Qi even exist as a legal entity anymore?

02:25 <whitequark> its VID cannot be reused anyway...

02:25 <DocScrutinizer05> well, as long as you're an official Qi product, everything is fine per definition

02:25 <whitequark> ha.

02:26 <wpwrak> (own) naw, it's still all wolfgang's. i just have some slightly elevated powers here and there :)

02:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I just wonder who's going to >>...help to keep this list in sync with the Linux USB ID Repository at http://www.linux-usb.org/usb-ids.html<<

02:26 <whitequark> I submitted my PID there myself

02:26 <whitequark> you can add them via the web interface

02:27 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, at OM we do via email usually

02:27 <DocScrutinizer05> web IH was fubar for quite a while

02:27 <DocScrutinizer05> IF*

02:30 <whitequark> they fixed it

02:30 <whitequark> the email IF is broken though

02:31 <whitequark> I spent like ten attempts trying to send it a patch it'll like and then it folded over

02:41 <DocScrutinizer05> omg

04:04 <wpwrak> victory ! finally got a LED to blink ! :)

04:07 <wpwrak> what made that a bit tricky: 1) seems that USB bood apparently changes some reset default for GPIOs (or maybe they're different from what i found in the PMs) 2) the documentation says there are two user-controlled LEDs on the devkit but it's in fact only one (D4). toggling the GPIO where supposedly the other is understandably does nothing visible ...

04:10 <wpwrak> and the usb boot protocol seems to diverge slightly from the jz4780: the cache flush command doesn't seem to be implemented, at least at the first stage. not that it would be needed anyway. (not even sure what it would do in stage 2)

04:17 <wpwrak> and of course something like 5 seconds after the first successful test my usb connection failed :) not sure what's wrong. the board works fine with another cable on another port.

04:23 <wpwrak> same cable works on another port. oh well. so many to choose from ...

06:41 <whitequark> wpwrak: DocScrutinizer05: so I made a vapor phase soldering machine

06:41 <whitequark> pretty much just a disassembled stew pot with a PID controller hanging on it

06:42 <whitequark> wonderfully simple process. turn on, wait a few minutes, turn off. (I should probably follow a profile, but this PID controller can't do it, so meh)

08:54 <whitequark> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcLeb1gUQAAvrbH.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcLedNTVQAAM6km.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcLeefKUwAA3mZD.jpg:large

12:04 <DocScrutinizer05> nice :-)

22:05 <wpwrak> whitequark: nice indeed !

22:05 <wpwrak> i wonder what makes galden so expensive. hard to produce ? fancy ingredients ? patents ?

22:50 <DocScrutinizer05> I searched for other polyethers https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=Perfluoropolyether and it seems at least there can't be a patent anymore after over 30 years of use of those substances in aeronautics. I found few actual products and they are usually very expensive

23:26 <DocScrutinizer05> btw VPS reportedly was the very first mass production reflow process, before IR and hot air reflow were developed

23:27 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess back when they used other more environment-hazardous heat transfer media

23:30 <DocScrutinizer05> also see http://www.torenko.com/pdf/Todays-Vapor-Phase-Soldering-Tech-Paper.pdf "Abstract" first §

23:36 <DocScrutinizer05> also " HISTORY OF VAPOR PHASE MACHINES" >>The procedure was invented by Dr. Pfahl at Western Electric in 1974. Vapor Phase was widely used in the industry of the early Eighties.<<

23:36 <DocScrutinizer05> same page

23:41 <DocScrutinizer05> apropos patents: >> Because of various patents on these new solder pastes, the lead free solder alloys were not creating one single new standard. Thus the use of different mixtures with different melting points became the situation of today.<<

23:44 <DocScrutinizer05> btw wpwrak, what's your rating scale for "so expensive"?

23:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, Galden is a 100 times more expensive than... gasoline. But for sure much cheaper than e.g. rose water

23:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd guess production of that chemical is a tad tricky, given that Fluor is involved