00:27 <BitPuffin> Oh wow I never realized that's what drinking kool aid refers to, despite being familiar with the event. Some things are just right under the nose

02:54 <Charles00> I'm not sure how many people in Jones Town new it was a death contract. Someone who was anticult could have laced it. I'm not really sure

02:54 <Charles00> *Knew

02:58 <Charles00> Right now I'm going through Don't Teach Code book. A super basic introduction to racket but I haven't used racket since going through htdp

03:00 <BitPuffin> Ah I wasn't commenting on if they knew it or not. I just didn't see the obvious connection to the event and the expression and felt a bit dumb

03:08 <Charles00> Proof that an idiom can out last it's references and still retain it's meanings.

08:08 <jboy> would tot recommended Don't Teach Coding, Charles00?

08:09 <jboy> you*

09:16 <yurb> Charles00: is it this one? https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Don%27t+Teach+Coding%3A+Until+You+Read+This+Book-p-9781119602637

14:57 <Charles00> That's the one. I'd recommend it for it's discussion on language. I'm only 50% through so I'll give an update hopefully this Sunday. I don't think it covers anything that htdp doesn't already. The book I'm really interested in is Racket The Fun Way and the Blockchain in Lisp (uses racket)

15:51 <drewolson> hi all. if i'm working in a language and i want vim to indent one of the forms similar to `let`, is there a quick way to do this? something like `lispwords` but for `let` style constructs?

17:11 <Charles00> does dr racket have the same potential capabilities of a system like emacs? To what degree can dr racket become an extended ide? So I'm wondering if I can develop in drracket to change drracket and do all my other os tasks (maybe even browse the web).

17:14 <Charles00> Also what are the trade off in ecosystems vs ease of use/ speed of development when comparing racket to other languages such as c# or js? What does the work feel like working in c#, js, racket, especially considering ides environments/tools and libraries/and frameworks? I'm wondering how the different ecosystems diverge or relate in syntax (how it feels to use them) and semantics (the work accomplished through them)

17:15 <Charles00> how does working in racket vs other languages make one more actionable?

18:46 <bremner> Charles00: your notion of extending DrRacket reminds me of the (many) proposals to rewrite emacs in a better-according-to-someone language. The usual objection is there are literally millions of lines of elisp that would have to be replaced, which seems like a tough job for any one person or small group.

18:47 <bremner> In principle though, sure, I think you can do any one thing that people do in emacs in DrRacket.

19:38 <Charles00> could we automate this process of transcribing elisp to racket and just steal the c binding or would we have to use our own c bindings therefor reverse engineering or extending it for the in word out to work with existing racket code ported from an auto generating elisp libary

19:39 <Charles00> dont compilers do those kind of things. or is that more a task for machine intelligence

21:47 <nisstyre> that's what a compiler is supposed to do

21:47 <nisstyre> it might be easier to take racket bytecode and translate it to elisp if that's what you wanted to do

21:47 <nisstyre> or vice versa

22:29 <jcowan> bremner, Charles00: If you want DrRacket to be able to do what Emacs does, the first thing is to write #lang elisp in Racket so that all that code Just Works.

22:29 <jcowan> Elisp is not that big a language.

22:30 <jcowan> Guile already has Elisp support.

23:18 <bremner> jcowan: yes, and the failure of guilemacs more or less illustrates my point.