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<keltim>
jeez these gems are taking forever to install, even with --no-ri --no-rdoc ... what could be wrong here? straceing the process shows it is doing very little
<keltim>
and consuming 100% cpu
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<yorickpeterse>
morning
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<darix>
auzty: require 'irb/completion'
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<SylarRuby>
Hey all. Does devise has a user id in the Model or I have to manually add one?
<ljarvis>
SylarRuby: primary keys are added automatically unless you specify otherwise
<SylarRuby>
ljarvis: thanks
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<Guest22748>
okay, what did you do to get the above line about "class"? :)
<jhass>
I typed it?
<Guest22748>
ah okay, I thought that was from a library or something.
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<Guest22748>
so can I ask Ruby to show me how a certain sugared expression is transformed, like the ones you listed?
<Guest22748>
can I desugar("class Foo") somehow?
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<jhass>
I don't think so no
<jhass>
I simplified a bit, class and module also reopen already defined classes/modules
<Guest22748>
yeah, I've seen examples of that.
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<keltim>
jeez these gems are taking forever to install, even with --no-ri --no-rdoc ... what could be wrong here? straceing the process shows it is doing very little, just processing the index ... any ideas?
<jhass>
"forever"?
<keltim>
20 min. to install rails
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<jhass>
first try?
<keltim>
tried many times with various settings, but to no avail
<jhass>
tried running with --verbose or whatever it was?
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<keltim>
yeah, it spits out all the web redirects and so forth, then is quiet for the duration until it actually gets to installing the gem. strace indicates it is processing the index, but the process (and children)
<keltim>
well it is for 1.9, can't do anything about that at the moment
<keltim>
is that gem version old for 1.9?
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<jhass>
the latest rubygems version still works wtih 1.9, so it's certainly old
<jhass>
gem update --system might be worth a shot
<keltim>
I'm preparing an image for a prod instance, I can't be cavalier about all that ... this works fine on our regular hand compiled ruby, currently using the amazon linux package
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<jhass>
well, both is out of security maintenance even, so can't give much support for that ancient stuff ;)
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<Guest22748>
I've been reading up on classes and it looks like BasicObject, Object, Module and Class all depend circularly on each other.
<Guest22748>
for example:
<Guest22748>
Object.is_a? Class => true Class.is_a? Object => true
<Guest22748>
how can this be? surely there's some magic going on with these built-in classes.
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<tek0011>
hey all. im very new to ruby. how can I split (or any method) this string, so that it will only and always return the first domain without any other characters leading or trailing? string = ["domain1.test", "domain2.test", "domain3.test"] - Final return should be domain1.test
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<Guest22748>
I'm not sure about this, but don't you mean string[0]?
<jhass>
Guest22748: yes, the root of the meta model is special cased in the interpreter
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<Guest22748>
what is "the root" of the metamodel?
<jhass>
haven't seen a language where that's not the case at some point though ;)
<Guest22748>
so all three of those are special, is that what we're saying?
<tek0011>
djellemah__: yes, I have that up at all times. right now Im running str.split(",")[0] which does remove everything after , - and i could probably add another method to remove the [ and " characters, but i figured someone here would have a better way
<jhass>
Guest22748: yeah
<Guest22748>
hmm
<Guest22748>
and then Object can be defined in the std library in terms of BasicObject?
<jhass>
I'd say so
<Guest22748>
okay.
<jhass>
there's the special case of it being the default parent class
<Guest22748>
uh, do you mean BasicObject or Object?
<jhass>
though conceptually you could view that as a default argument to Class::new
<Guest22748>
I see, so Object's magic too.
<jhass>
yeah, there used to be no BasicObject, so there's traces left
<tek0011>
basically I understand what to do, but am at the point in ruby where I want to start learning shorter quicker routes. This is what I have right now, which works, but is it considered an ugly hack? split(",")[0].delete "\[\""
<Guest22748>
and you're not supposed to touch the BasicObject class unless you're doing Ruby core development, is that right?
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<jhass>
tek0011: you could write a regexp I guess
<Drafyr>
Hi, I was looking for some help with RGSS3, regarding RPG Maker VX Ace.
<jhass>
Guest22748: BasicObject got introduced as a more barebone version of Object, it's handy for writing transparent proxy objects without having to undefine all of Object's methods
<djellemah__>
tek0011: Assuming you mean string = '["domain1.test", "domain2.test", "domain3.test"]' it looks a lot like JSON or YAML. So you could also use those parsers.
<jhass>
tek0011: actually where does that string come from? it looks like an array?
<Drafyr>
Does anyone know of an RGSS3 scripting help IRC, or someone who can help me?
<Guest22748>
oh, I get it! so it's purely a way to tell the interpreter "I'm defining a class here but I don't want any of the predefined stuff that comes with Object"?
<djellemah__>
Guest22748: yup. BasicObject is also useful for DSLs and delegators.
<jhass>
tek0011: so it's no defined format I guess?
<tek0011>
ya
<jhass>
dnssuffix[/[^\["]+/] I'd go with something like that until it breaks I guess
<tek0011>
jhass: thanks. Ill build off that. starting to learn different languages, i have major issues understanding regex right now :(
<jhass>
rubular.com and regular-expressions.info are great resources
<tek0011>
yes rubular is awesome. i think i spent like 4 hours on it on friday trying to do one single thing lol.
<tek0011>
jhass: thanks again m8
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<jhass>
yw
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<ericwood>
rubular is a life-saver
<ericwood>
another cool utility site worth mentioning: strftimer.com
<canton7>
nice!
<canton7>
of course, it's only approximate
<canton7>
but it seems to do a pretty good job
<canton7>
well, it thinks 3/30 2015 == "%-d/%-m %Y"
<canton7>
so maybe not *that* good :P
<Guest22748>
I see that both "undefined_name" and "@@undefined_name" raise NameErrors, but "@undefined_name" evaluates to nil and "@undefined_name = 2" evaluates to 2.
<Guest22748>
why is this?
<Guest22748>
(I mean at the top level, not inside a class)
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<Dysp>
Yaw. Ruby newb here. I am returning a value of false/true with <%= question.correct %>. How can I make it display one image if true and another if false?
<ljarvis>
question: why is the file extension .rb when that's not Ruby, it's ERB?
<Dysp>
Okay, you are confusing me more than you are helping, bro.
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<Dysp>
ATM, I get no errors, however it doesn't write neither true nor false.
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<ljarvis>
Dysp: how are you running it?
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<Dysp>
Its running in an .erb file, of course.
<ljarvis>
running where? how?
<Dysp>
Local server
<oddmunds>
rails?
<Dysp>
yes
<ljarvis>
apache? nginx? rack?
<Dysp>
ljarvis: I dont know.
<ljarvis>
Dysp: are you trying to learn Ruby or trying to build something with Rails?
<Dysp>
ljarvis: But if you want to talk cool words, lets talk neuroanatomy. I've always been fascinated by the route of nervus opticus to tractus opticus ending in nucleus geniculatum lateralis. The histology there is beautiful as fuck. Gotta love thalamus.
<Dysp>
Im learning Ruby by building something with rails.
<ljarvis>
I'm trying to help. The words are relevant to the discussion
<ljarvis>
join #rubyonrails
<Dysp>
But this is an easy question you can easily answer.
<tobiasvl>
what's the question again?
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<Dysp>
Its not complicated at all. I just don't understand basic programming.
<tobiasvl>
oh, it doesn't print anything
<ljarvis>
ok, the reason it doesn't do anything is because it's evaluating erb. Puts does nothing in an erb template
<Dysp>
Sweet. Nice.
<ljarvis>
Right, and I'm saying if you don't understand basic programming you're starting in the wrong place
<Dysp>
That's how I am doing it.
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<tobiasvl>
why introduce other factors like erb and rails if you're trying to learn ruby?
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<apeiros>
Dysp: also ljarvis actually gave you the response immediately
<apeiros>
16:25 ljarvis: <% if question.correct %> ... <% else %> ... <% end %>
<tobiasvl>
learn ruby first, then add other components so you know how each works
<apeiros>
unless I'm missing a follow up question
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<Dysp>
tobiasvl: I am not trying to learn ruby. I am trying to be able to build stuff - and learning meanwhile. So, I am learning ruby, rails, css and html at the same time by building something. I am very bad at reading programming stuff and just understanding it. I need to learn by doing.
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<tobiasvl>
<Dysp> Im learning Ruby by building something with rails.
<tobiasvl>
but OK
<rob_>
you're also bad at listening to advice
<Dysp>
It seems.
<ljarvis>
learn Ruby by building something with Ruby
<Dysp>
Thx for your help.
<tobiasvl>
anyway, this is a ruby channel. we don't necessarily know or support other stuff here, like rails or erb
<ljarvis>
pleasure
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<apeiros>
since it's opinion time, let me add one: nothing wrong with learning all those things at once. but be aware that that's *a lot* and that you can't make assertions yourself about what's easy and what's not. yes, it may be trivial - *if* you have the knowledge framework to embed it in.
<Dysp>
Okay, if you were to become a doctor, I would advice you to take basic sciences first to understand the fundamentals behind medical practice and how the body works. If you just want to know how to take blood samples (please dont), I would only have to teach the anatomy of the arm and the basics of the procedure.
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<apeiros>
Dysp: you're again making assumptions about something you say yourself that you're new to it.
<Dysp>
I have no desire of becoming a programmer or anything else. I wish only to know what is needed to create a project I have in mind.
<ljarvis>
hire a programmer
<rob_>
...using programming!
<apeiros>
you do not know what's simple in programming and what's not.
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<rob_>
it's like saying you dont want to learn french you just want to talk to french people in french
<Dysp>
Programmers too expensive in my country and I am broke as fuck ;)
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<tobiasvl>
what are you making?
<Dysp>
Simple multiple choice quiz.
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<Dysp>
For new students to practice former exams
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* apeiros
is amazed that there's still schools using multiple choice quizzes as exam format
<Dysp>
It's a minimal part of the exam.
<Dysp>
And not really a multiple choice now I think about it. Its more true/false
<rob_>
Dysp: if you only care about having the end result, why not use one of the many online multiple choice services available? i think you can even make them for free in google docs
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<Dysp>
I also want to learn from the experience.
<Dysp>
But you are right
<Dysp>
I just know how I learn and that is learning by doing and I therefore need a project to motivate me into learning. I would like to expand later on which would cover different exams and so on.
<rob_>
learning is good, the quickest path to learning how to do what you want is to first learn the basics of ruby
<Dysp>
But, well, thank for your help.
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<Dysp>
And I have tried. I just learn very badly by reading/doing trivial stuff
<rob_>
the key is to persist
<Dysp>
And that is what I am doing ;)
<Dysp>
But this conversation is a beautiful example of the Donning-Kruger effect
<Dysp>
"Conversely, highly skilled individuals tend to underestimate their relative competence, erroneously assuming that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others."
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<Guest22748>
rob_: wow, this talk really helped. I haven't watched all of it, but I'll take a stab at my own question now:
<rob_>
Guest22748: cool :)
<Guest22748>
is "@undefined = 2" legal at the top level because self is pointing to "main" which is by definition an Object, and so it can have instance variables?
<rob_>
yep
<Guest22748>
awesome.
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<DCameronMauch>
Hmm. I think the problem they are describing is related to transactional fixtures, which we are not using
<pipework>
Anyways, the source to factory_girl is pretty easy to read, I bet you could find the stuff that actually creates objects and see if it already has or would be easy to add transactions.
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<Cages>
Hi.
<Cages>
In my mac terminal I am getting the following: -bash: alias: —prompt: not found -bash: alias: inf-ruby’: not found
<Cages>
does anyone know how to remove this from the terminal?
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<ledestin>
Cages edit your bash config files
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<Cages>
Ok, ledestin
<Cages>
How?
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<ledestin>
grep -r inf-ruby .
<ledestin>
then edit the file that uses it
<ledestin>
learn to use an editor
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<Cages>
thanks for the help
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<zenspider>
inf-ruby is an emacs thing, is it not?
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<Dysp>
Hi. I want to make several entries to the DB. Following code works fine, but how do I add so one press on the submit button will make several entries of the same? Lets say like 10 at one time? https://gist.github.com/Dysperen/1ae49fbd3bcf171a4a74
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<ruby-lang785>
hello could someone help me with errors . I'm beginning with ruby on windows and when I type >gem install rails I get the following error msg: ERROR: While executing gem ... (Encoding::UndefinedConversionError) U+00E9 to IBM866 in conversion from UTF-16LE to UTF-8 to IBM866
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<zenspider>
can't help if you don't stick around...
<jhass>
granted, it's a ping timeout and windows, might just have been force updated .P
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<bradland>
dasvidaniya, code page 866!
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