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<Shamgar>
I wonder if I'm just going to have to go deeper and build my own packets.
<Shamgar>
be kinda ugly...but that can't be right
<Shamgar>
because I was able to make it work in php.
<Shamgar>
hmmm
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<Spaceghostc2c>
Shamgar: You're making me giggle in the worst ways.
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<shadoi>
Shamgar: send expects a string, not an array
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<davidcelis>
Or a symbol
<shadoi>
or a symbol
<davidcelis>
er
<davidcelis>
does it?
<davidcelis>
i was thinking of the wrong send
<shadoi>
yeah, Socket#send needs a string
* davidcelis
should read the gist before commenting
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<Shamgar>
Spaceghostc2c: well at least I'm entertaining. ;-)
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<Shamgar>
Hmmm. 'msg' is a string
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<shadoi>
you also shouldn't need a sendptr, nor need to track message length
<Shamgar>
if I add a puts statement in there with msg.class it returns string
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<Shamgar>
making it harder than it has to be again i see.
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<Shamgar>
the string itself can contain \r\n - even though it's not the end, that's why I thought I couldn't use the write_message method
<shadoi>
also, where do you create @socket? It probably isn't a Socket class when you call send (which is probably calling Object#send)
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<Shamgar>
it's not. It's an InternetMessageIO object
<shadoi>
there's your problem
<shadoi>
It _must_ be a Socket, or it will use Object#send
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<Shamgar>
AH....okay...I see it now
<Shamgar>
That is not inheriting Socket, which is why I have to pass a valid socket as an argument.
<Shamgar>
So it's expecting me to use *its* functions (like write_message) which in turn call the Socket functions
<shadoi>
yeah
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<Shamgar>
Hmmm. I don't remember why I started using InternetMessageIO in the first place...maybe I can strip all that out.
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<Shamgar>
shadoi: Thank you for your help.
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<chovy>
hi all
<chovy>
i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong here....only the line with contatenation prints
<chovy>
it's driving me crazy. like i'm looking at the wrong file.
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<shadoi>
p prints obj.inspect
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<shadoi>
use puts or print
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<chovy>
how do i do something like this:
<chovy>
if foo.bar.email?
<chovy>
// do something with .email
<chovy>
end
<chovy>
i get an error that undefined method `email' for nil:NilClass
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<chovy>
i figure out why my script sucked.
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<macmartine>
I have this object that isn't a hash, however I can access it's properties like a hash ( obj["id"] ). Is there a way I can do a hash merge on this with an actual hash? https://gist.github.com/2372471
<banisterfiend>
macmartine: its*
<macmartine>
banisterfiend: ?
<macmartine>
oh, whatevs
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<samuelkadolph>
macmartine: My guess would be it has a hash available in a method like data or something.
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<banisterfiend>
what's hte best way to check for ruby 1.8 MRI
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<td123>
banisterfiend: maybe dive into RbConfig::CONFIG
<td123>
unless you want to know when you're running MRI vs non-, then I dunno
<axl_>
this looks better to you ? : str.slice!(4..-1)
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<banisterfiend>
axl_: i agree with sammy-K. And anyway the slice! syntax isn't so bad that a monkeypatch is required, IMO the threshold for a monkeypatch should be a lot higher than that
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<Hasufin>
Hi, I'm new to ruby - using ri_cal gem, having timezone issues. The website: http://ri-cal.rubyforge.org/rdoc/ has a section about default TZID.... PropertyValue::DateTime has a default_tzid..... how would you go about changing this?
<Hasufin>
PropertyValue::DateTime.default_tzid("CDT") doesn't seem to work
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<advorak>
how can I do lines.scan(/LINE.*F\/A\n.*?--/m) ?? When I try to do non-greedy .*? and specify multi line, it seems to goto the absolute last occurrence of '--' (greedy) instead of the first occurrence ..
<advorak>
actually I am thinking I might be doing this wrong
<senthil>
what happens when you do "1.instance_eval { binding }"
<senthil>
I get "=> #<Binding:0x007ffdc11435b8>", not sure what's happening under the covers
<banisterfiend>
senthil: use instance_eval "binding" instead
<banisterfiend>
otherwise u get weird bindings
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<jesly>
hey can anybody tell me how to have dynamic routes in sinatra
<senthil>
banisterfiend: wouldn't that would just return the string "binding"?
<senthil>
banisterfiend: oh without the blks, gotcha
<jesly>
ie, if i give localhost/some_rand_i_p it will echo the route name?
<senthil>
but what does instance_eval "binding""
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<senthil>
err, what does 'instance_eval "binding" ' do then?
<banisterfiend>
senthil: well the issue with instance_eval is that constants are looked up lexically rather than in the receiver's context
<banisterfiend>
if you use string instance_eval instead then you dont have that issue
<banisterfiend>
since it's only blocks that behave that way
<advorak>
of course I answered my own question, my regex was off ;-)
<advorak>
(which usually happens when you expect something that the computer doesn't return)
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<any-key>
computers are jerks, don't expect anything from them
<senthil>
banisterfiend: what happens when you pass "binding" to 1.instance_eval? i'm guessing you get a binding where "self = 1" ?
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<jesly>
how to do this? if i give an undefined route to sinatra, just make it print the route
<jesly>
sat i give localhost:4567/hey
<jesly>
where there is no get 'hey' in the rb file
<jesly>
then it should print hey in browser
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<chomp>
jesly, you can just add a rule like not_found do request.path end
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<banisterfiend>
senthil: Yeah
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<banisterfiend>
senthil: that's how pry's "cd" works :)
<banisterfiend>
senthil: type show-method Pry#binding_for
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<senthil>
banisterfiend: that's where I found it :p
<apeiros_>
yeah, generally, x <op>= y expands to x = x <op> y, like x += y --> x = x+y
<apeiros_>
||= and &&= are special cases, which expand to x || (x = y), though
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<apeiros_>
(which works largely the same as the normal expansion, but not exactly)
<nilg>
rather elegant, thanks!
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<loquax>
Please what is the latest version of Ruby On Rails 1.8.7-p358 or 1.9.3-p125 ???
<apeiros_>
loquax: neither
<apeiros_>
those are *ruby* versions
<apeiros_>
ruby on rails is a framework, written in ruby. and the latest version of rails is 3.2.3
<loquax>
ah... :)
<loquax>
and the last version of ruby? 1.8.7-p358 or 1.9.3-p125 ? =)
<apeiros_>
the higher number, obviously
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<loquax>
apeiros_: thanks... and last question lol... =) Ruby Installer for Windows come with Ruby on Rails?
<apeiros_>
no idea, I stay away from turds like windows.
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<Pureh>
anyone around for a quick question?
<Pureh>
if output =~ /nm.chomp/
<Pureh>
I want to match for the value of the variable and not "nm.chomp" as a string
<Pureh>
how can I do that?
<loquax>
apeiros_: thank you ;)
<winux>
a tad confused, why does installing irb install ruby 1.8?
<apeiros_>
Pureh: string[/#{nm.chomp}/]
<winux>
i already have 1.9.3 installed
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<Pureh>
apeiros_ so is it output =~ string[/#{nm.chomp}/] ?
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<apeiros_>
Pureh: no, either `output =~ /#{nm.chomp}/`, or just `string[/#{nm.chomp}/]`
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<apeiros_>
depending on what you want, you also need Regexp.escape
* apeiros_
gotta run
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<winux>
why does installing irb install ruby 1.8? i just want it to run with 1.9.3 which i have installed.. when i install rubygems it gets hooked onto the 1.8 install as well :/
<GoBin>
loquax: as far as i can see in the 7z archive, 1.9.3 comes only with rake 0.9.2.2 and rdoc 3.9.4 with windows install exe
<RubyPanther>
winux: irb comes with your ruby, maybe you were trying to install a system package
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<GoBin>
winux, irb is no gem, it is a system package, and depends on ruby1.8
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<winux>
GoBin: why not 1.9.3?
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<winux>
RubyPanther: hmm well i installed 1.9.3 then installed irb with apt-get
<RubyPanther>
winux: so uninstall the one from apt-get
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<winux>
RubyPanther: when i greb for irb with only 1.9.1 nothing comes uo (/usr/bin)
<winux>
grep
<RubyPanther>
grep isn't for finding commands it is for searching for strings
<winux>
RubyPanther: sorry
<winux>
RubyPanther: searching through my find results
<winux>
find | grep
<winux>
RubyPanther: rubygems as a system package also wants to bring in 1.8
<RubyPanther>
winux: you don't install that system package either!
<RubyPanther>
rubygems is a part of 1.9.x, you don't install it at all anymore
<winux>
RubyPanther: aha
<RubyPanther>
you don't install _any_ system package with "ruby" in the name, only ones like zlib-devel openssl-devel
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<winux>
RubyPanther: okey i wont, now i just to find where they are
<GoBin>
winux: i use rvm for dev, there is irb integrated for each ruby version
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<winux>
GoBin: yeah i saw rvm but im gonna stick to using apt-get
<winux>
for a single version
<RubyPanther>
you're going to be out of date, sometimes so out of date you can't use current gems
<winux>
unless i get rvm to play for multiuser installs
<apeiros_>
RubyPanther: don't forget the part about the crippled rubygems
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<RubyPanther>
I heard some guy used a system package and saw his rubygems eaten by Dwemthy's Array, but he was never heard from again so we'll never know the truth
<vectorshelve>
from the iteration I need to generate methods
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<apeiros_>
vectorshelve: see class_eval and define_method
<apeiros_>
(you only need either, not both)
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<BryanWB>
how can I set variables that are global w/in a MiniTest::Unit::TestCase ? i.e. class variables that i can reuse across tests but not modify in them
<TTilus>
BryanWB: what exactly are you trying to do?
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<BryanWB>
TTilus: i have a path = "/usr/local/foo" variable that i would like to avoid typing into each test in my test case
<TTilus>
BryanWB: to have tests share state smells
<BryanWB>
btw this ruby 1.8
<BryanWB>
not state, this is a constant
<TTilus>
BryanWB: so you define a constant .. not?
<BryanWB>
i guess i could, TTilus honestly didn't occur to me, still new to ruby
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<TTilus>
BryanWB: class FooTest < MiniTest::Unit::TestCase; PATH = "/usr/local/foo"; ...; end
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<BryanWB>
that would be super long, guess i could do MiniTest::Unit::TestCase::MyTest::FOO = '/some/path' ; alias Mini..., short_var
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<vectorshelve_>
Hello
<Boohbah>
hi
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<TTilus>
EHLO localhost
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<maasha>
I want to access a Ruby hash element from Inline C. How?
<apeiros_>
look at hash.c
<apeiros_>
I usually go backwards from looking at the rb_define_method (they're normally at the bottom)
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<maasha>
strangely it does not appear in README.ext ?
<apeiros_>
why would they put the whole core API into README.EXT?
<apeiros_>
but granted, the C part of things could be better doc'ed
<maasha>
apeiros_: well, the most basic stuff should be there. push and pop of arrays. adding and accessing hashes.
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<maasha>
anyway. I am probably barking up several wrong trees here. Basically I need a C array of triples - what should be growable - so I can add to it from C, but access it from Ruby.
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<maasha>
I think I should try a more simple approach first. But then I need - in C - to create a new instance of a object Score and push on an array. The push part I know how to, but creating a new instance of Score?
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<maasha>
class Score I have defined in ruby.
* maasha
have been trolling docs all morning.
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<mistergibson>
Regarding Process::getrlimit("AS"): I get about 15 exabytes as the max virtual addressing space. However, I'm rather certain the OS gives me a true maximum of 2GB or 3.12GB (pae/64-bit depending) in reality. What's up with the obscenely large number that appears a delusional figure?
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<shadoi>
mistergibson: because that's the maximum addressable memory limit for linux
<mistergibson>
shadoi: thanks, the mystery unravels
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<bounce>
yay for blog posts by people who googled together half a clue
<bounce>
consider: "The man page for brk(2) warns that malloc(3) should be used instead of brk(2) or sbrk(2)."
<bounce>
yes, true. why? because malloc uses brk/sbrk to allocate space to play with.
<bounce>
or at least, it used to. now-a-days it'll call mmap instead, though it might fall back.
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<bounce>
now you know why RLIMIT_DATA is 'completely ignored'. it isn't really, it just doesn't kick in before RLIMIT_AS is exhausted through calls to mmap.
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<bounce>
force malloc to not use mmap and you're back to brk.
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<bob-O>
if i have x =~ /y.chomp/
<bob-O>
how can I interpolate that vs taking literal string y.chomp ?
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<lupine_85>
bob-O, /#{y.chomp}/ vs. /#{Regexp::escape(y.chomp)}/ ?
<bob-O>
so /#{y.chomp}/ will interpolate ?
<lupine_85>
yes. if y is "foo.", then it will generate the regexp /foo./
<lupine_85>
(the Regexp::escape form will generate the regexp /foo\./ )
<sgronblom>
Am I the only one who thinks optparse's api is kinda crappy
<bob-O>
lupine_85: ok thats what I was thinking. just wanted to verify. thanks
<lupine_85>
not just you ;)
<lupine_85>
we use trollop a lot at work
<Mon_Ouie>
sgronblom: Check Slop, maybe you'll like that API better
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<sgronblom>
Mon_Ouie: but not in stdlib?
<Mon_Ouie>
Nope
<sgronblom>
I still prefer to wrestle with crap than introduce more dependencies
<Mon_Ouie>
Why? There's nothing wrong with using third party code to make your life easier
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<lupine_85>
trollop was written to be vendored in, as it happens
<lupine_85>
although that's not always smart
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<artm>
what does => in 'rescue Exception => e' represents? does 'rescue' expect a hash? or is this a special syntax?
<Mon_Ouie>
Special syntax to store the exception object in a local variable
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<artm>
so there can only be one => there?
<matti>
Mon_Ouie: :)
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<Mon_Ouie>
'alut matti ;)
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<Mon_Ouie>
artm: Right
<artm>
but there can be several exception classes before => ?
<Mon_Ouie>
Well, you can use any expression before the "=>", so you could have do rescue {:some=>:hash} => e
<Mon_Ouie>
And yes, you can have a list of classes separated with commas
<Mon_Ouie>
rescue DangerousError, NonDangerousError => e
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<artm>
i see. thanks
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<xkx>
i am using OpenSSL::Digest::SHA1 - how can I set digest_length?
<xkx>
i want generated digests to be 256 bytes long, not 20
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<canton7>
xkx, sha1 digests are always 160 bits
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<canton7>
sha-256 has an output of 256 bits, if that's what your after...
<xkx>
canton7: ok, thx
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<ablemike>
anyone familiar with NetSSH gem?
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<dagobah>
Anyone know anything about pry?
<banisterfiend>
dagobah: Yeah.
<TTilus>
dagobah: why dont you just ask what you have in mind and we'll see it then
<banisterfiend>
dagobah: what do u wanna know
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<dagobah>
banisterfiend: I want to know where in the code a pry instance was invoked. `whereami` returns "Error: Cannot find local context. Did you use `binding.pry`?"
<banisterfiend>
dagobah: well how did u start pry, did you use binding.pry or just pry ?
<banisterfiend>
dagobah: can u show me the code you used to start pry?
<dagobah>
banisterfiend: Well, I'm running a test suite and it begins a pry session pry(#<Cucumber::Rails::World>)>
<banisterfiend>
dagobah: can u show me the exact code
<dagobah>
banisterfiend: That's what I'm trying to find :p
<banisterfiend>
dagobah: no i mean, can you show me where u have the 'pry' call in your code
<banisterfiend>
i want to see how you start it
<dagobah>
Ahh.
<dagobah>
It was being called in a step definition file (cucumber).
<dagobah>
With just `pry`
<banisterfiend>
dagobah: well, as the error message says :P use binding.pry there
<any-key>
inemion: you ever write any AJAX? Or use JQuery?
<mcwise>
well I figured it was a joke or soemthing Divinite but I did not get the point
<any-key>
08:45 < Divinite> Oh, I'm being so mean to people.
<any-key>
^^^^^^ that was the point
<inemion>
any-key: very little when developing with wordpress
<any-key>
inemion: you may want to brush up on your javascript before tackling this, it can get hairy
<any-key>
inemion: essentially you have some sort of API in your web app that you can pass parameters and interact with it in javascript
<any-key>
it reaaaalllyyy depends on the data and how you're interacting with it and tons of other things
<inemion>
any-key: appreciate the help
<inemion>
I'm looking to do a sort of in house application monitoring thing
<Tasser>
any-key, I wonder why it's not called AJAJ :-)
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<inemion>
have ruby go through the user experience of using an application and then report back to a live console
<any-key>
Tasser: haha good question
<any-key>
hopefully this app is for monitoring your house and not the houses of other people :P
<inemion>
any-key: lol yes sir
<inemion>
It's more of a project to help me learn ruby … if it works it would help out … if not it was a learning exprience
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<Tasser>
inemion, there are some very nice texts about usability studies out there
<Tasser>
grab one of them and read them
<inemion>
Tasser: thanks. any particular ones you had in mind? or what could I google to get to one?
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<Tasser>
inemion, I read "don't make me think"
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<Tasser>
but as I'm more of a backend guy, I wouldn't trust myself on that topic :-)
<inemion>
heh fair enough
* Divinite
wakes up... What happened?
<Tasser>
There was a bug in the matrix
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<Divinite>
Tasser: I'll need to fix that to survive.
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<Tasser>
nah, it will fix itself
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<rking>
When I `ruby -e 'raise "asdf"'`, it says it's "in `<main>'". Is there a thing that can be accessed via :main, or is that a completely figmentary "<main>"?
<waxjar>
in Ruby, code you write outside objects/classes/modules/etc and stuff, is actually running inside an object called main, iirc
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<banisterfiend>
rking: it's accessed via TOPLEVEL_BINDING
<pythogorian>
can someone explain me why is this the case?
<pythogorian>
irb(main):082:0> nil or 1
<pythogorian>
=> 1
<pythogorian>
irb(main):083:0> x = nil or 1
<pythogorian>
=> 1
<pythogorian>
irb(main):084:0> x
<pythogorian>
=> nil
<pythogorian>
irb(main):085:0>
<arturaz>
becaue or and || is not the same
<arturaz>
(x = nil) or (1)
<pythogorian>
god, i forgot about bitwise
<arturaz>
x = (nil || 1)
<pythogorian>
(**idiot**)
<canton7>
|| isn't bitwise...
<canton7>
(neither is 'or')
<arturaz>
they have difference precedence
<pythogorian>
i didn't knew that
<pythogorian>
thanks
<canton7>
'and' and 'or' are meant for flow control
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<canton7>
(comes from perl I believe)
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<strife25>
hi all - what's the best practice when it comes to the use of namespaces in gems? Should one always namespace their classes in gems? Sorry for the basic question, but google is not working in my office atm so I'm unable to rtfm :-/
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<canton7>
yeah. You don't want to clutter up someone else's namespace if they decide to require your gem....
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<strife25>
canton7: what about having a module per subdirectory inside of a gem? e.g. if my gem is structured: foo/bar/example.rb, should the namespace be foo::bar::example.rb?
<canton7>
that's then down to your application structure
<vectorshelve>
Just watch the ruby chat in irc for a whole day and I swear You will learn a world of things :)
<vectorshelve>
canton7: Hai dude !!
<canton7>
hey
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<geekbri>
What is the best way to extract a substring from a string via a regular expression? EG I have the string ### P:1 start and I want to extra the substring 1. My regexp is /^#### P:(\d)/
<oooPaul>
That will work for a single digit.
<oooPaul>
Add a + after the d and you'll get "1 or more" digits.
<canton7>
"#### P:1 start"[/^#### P:(\d+)., 1]
<oooPaul>
Then you can reference $1 afterwards to see what was in that parenthesis.
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<oooPaul>
string =~ /^#### P:(\d+)/; puts $1
<geekbri>
ah ok, so it will store the result in a global?
<oooPaul>
Yeah.
<canton7>
or you can use my syntax, and get at it directly, or use #match
<oooPaul>
$1 will be the first parenthesis result, $2 the second, etc. Can get messy if you're nesting parenthesis...
<geekbri>
ah yes I see. I used canton7's syntax suggestion. Seems to work good. I'm a bit leery that it gets stored in a global but I guess i'll cross the bridge when I get to it
<oooPaul>
Yeah, there's the more OOP way of dealing with regexes... The =~ and $1 stuff comes from a long history with Perl.
<lupine_85>
I wouldn't worry about it too much, personally
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<geekbri>
so it seems /^### P:(\d+)/.match(token)[1] will error out if there is no match, because im trying to take [1] of nil class. Is there a succinct way of saying [1] unless .nil?
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<burgestrand>
geekbri: token is a string?
<burgestrand>
geekbri: string[/regex/, 1]
<geekbri>
burgestrand: token is a variable
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<canton7>
token contains a string? :P
<burgestrand>
geekbri: yes and something else
<geekbri>
hehe yes, token contains a string which is a digit
<geekbri>
errr sorry its a string which contains a digit, which i am trying to ferret out
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<burgestrand>
geekbri: like I said, string[/regex/, match_index] will work for you
<geekbri>
I ended up just storing the result in a variable and returning [1] unless variable.nil?
<burgestrand>
or, not match index, group index
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<geekbri>
thanks for all the help you upstanding internet citizens.
<Babar>
Hi, what's the easiest way to test that some attribute exists before using them? Like node[:dmi][:baseboard], as sometimes it's called node[:dmi][:base_board]?
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<lectrick>
If I have a number which is Time.now.to_i, how do I convert those seconds back to a proper Time object?
<lewis>
what does the statement ruby evaluates to an object mean
<shevy>
I swear
<shevy>
I will never use this syntax shit myself
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<Synthead>
any thoughts?
<shevy>
lewis, no idea, in what context is it provided? perhaps it wants to say that (almost) everything in ruby is an object and responds to messages sent to it
<shevy>
Synthead, no idea. use official ruby and latest rubygem version
<Mon_Ouie>
CannedCorn: That's not really it. An "object" doesn't have a binding (except for objects like procs), but every context has its own binding
<lewis>
shevy: "Every expression in Ruby evaluates to an object; and every object in Ruby has a truth value"
<shevy>
lewis sounds quite bogus to me
<lewis>
Mon_Ouie: weren't you in #c back in the days
<Mon_Ouie>
Nope
<lewis>
shevy: exactly. and it's taken from a book
<lewis>
Mon_Ouie: aren't you french
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<burgestrand>
lewis: false and nil are objects, they evaluate to false
<shevy>
He is! :D
<burgestrand>
or, oh, I misunderstood you
<shevy>
Mon_Ouie, you are getting famous
<lewis>
burgestrand: I understand that - no the quoted statement
<shevy>
lewis, what book is that?
<lewis>
shevy: I knew I know him from somewhere
<lewis>
shevy: the well grounded rubyist
<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
its author knows a lot about ruby
<Mon_Ouie>
The first part means any complete expression results in an object. "foo()" would call a method and return an object, "3" is an integer literal which is an object, "false" is a literal object, "if true then 3 end" is an expression too
<shevy>
but otherwise, if I would not know who the author is, I'd just think "wtf!"
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<lewis>
shevy: I guess it depends on how you define the term "evaluates"
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<lewis>
Mon_Ouie: what do you mean by complete expression. what's an incomplete expression
<burgestrand>
lewis: "if"
<Mon_Ouie>
if foo then 3
<burgestrand>
:p
<lewis>
burgestrand: ok. I assumed that by default an expression is complete
<shevy>
you could start to write "if" then suddenly you have a heart attack
<shevy>
that's an incomplete expression then :)
<shevy>
rumour has it that "if" is the last word a programmer says when dying
<Mon_Ouie>
I thought it was SIGSEGV
<macmartine>
I have an event model, and I keep it in sync with a remote event model. There's some code to do the coversion from one format to another, and code that pushes and pulls these events. Where would you put this code?
<lewis>
shevy: But then that wouldn't be proper ruby - therefore not technically an expression. I think the author assumes that too then, since he doesn't say "Every complete expression.." he says "Every expression.."
<Mon_Ouie>
Well, yes, I just wanted to make it clear
<lewis>
Mon_Ouie: thanks by the way.
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<lewis>
when the term evaluate is used, does it always means the value returned
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<Mon_Ouie>
evaluating an expression means running the code
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<Mon_Ouie>
Sometimes the evaluated object is dropped and ignored, but it still exists
<shevy>
lewis, I dont think evaluating anything has to do with the value returned
<shevy>
"return" returns something in ruby code, or optionally the last value in a method is its return value
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<shevy>
cat.eat :mouse
<shevy>
cat.digest
<shevy>
^^^ silently digesting the mouse, not returning anything
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<shevy>
return cat.digest.leftovers
<shevy>
^^^ returning what is left of the eaten mouse
<lewis>
shevy: yet when the term is used it's always accompanied by an explanation of what is returned
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<davidcelis>
in the context of the last statement evaluated being returned, sure
<Mon_Ouie>
It shows what it evaluates too, similarly to what you'd see in a REPL
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<artm>
what's a gem to talk to mac os application like with apple talk but from ruby?
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<davidcelis>
talk to which mac os application
<davidcelis>
all of them?
<artm>
well, I would like to "find a window by name" and tell that window to rise.
<Mon_Ouie>
You could try MacRuby which has access to all the Cocoa API
<davidcelis>
this sounds something like the `osascript` binary
<artm>
davidcelis: yes, except I want to do it from ruby
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<artm>
I used to do something similar from python (talking to iTunes)
<artm>
so I assumed there is a gem for that
<davidcelis>
i mean, you can make system calls from ruby, but yes, i'd try looking at macruby as Mon_Ouie said
<lewis>
Mon_Ouie: REPL?
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<lewis>
Mon_Ouie: what do you use macruby for by the way...
<Mon_Ouie>
Read-Eval-Print-Loop
<Mon_Ouie>
e.g. IRB, which comes with Ruby
<lewis>
Mon_Ouie: I heard it's not compatible with iphones,ipas
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<artm>
oh, no. MacRuby sounds like such an overkill.
<Tasser>
lewis, yes, that's why those devices suck ;-)
<lewis>
artm: and what did you switch from python to ruby (I don't mean to start a debate, just wondering hehe)
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<Mon_Ouie>
And I don't use MacRuby, I just know it can access any Obj-C library (well, probably they have to follow some of Cocoa's conventions for it to work)
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<artm>
lewis: blocks syntax mostly :-)
<lewis>
artm: so you like it better. sweet
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<artm>
lewis: it's not like I switched overnight. I used to do a lot of python because my collegues were, than I became a lone cowboy-coder and did everything in C++ and last year I've discovered ruby and it felt right.
<artm>
"RubyOSA is a bridge that connects Ruby to the Apple Event Manager infrastructure"
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<A_D>
Hi there...
<davidcelis>
Hi
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<lewis>
I don't understand why the return value of put is always nil.
<lewis>
artm: thanks by the way for the link
<A_D>
I'm trying to find if I can write files on my gem folder... is there any gem that do this?
<davidcelis>
lewis: Just how the method was written. It's not meant to return anything, just to output to STOUT
<Mon_Ouie>
Because that's what they decided. They could just as well have chosen to return the written string, the arguments, or $stdout.
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<lewis>
davidcelis: so shouldn't it return the output to stdout
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<davidcelis>
lewis: It doesn't really "return" the output to stdout
<Mon_Ouie>
It inserts a line in stdout, it doesn't need to return anything to have that side effect
<lewis>
davidcelis: so basically the last expression of the method put return nil
<Mon_Ouie>
It's actually usually implemented in C, but yes, that's what it does
<lewis>
it's either implicitly return nil with the last expression or explicitly with the return keyword, right
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<lewis>
Mon_Ouie: told you i saw you in C before
<davidcelis>
Well it's written in C, so the function explicitly returns nil
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<Mon_Ouie>
Knowing about C doesn't mean I hang out in C IRC channels ;)
<katya^>
like it matters, it's the same shitheads in all channels
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<lewis>
thanks davidcelis Mon_Ouie. got it
<davidcelis>
No problem
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<eph3meral>
how can I get the date of "tuesday next week"
<eph3meral>
1.weeks_since will get me "friday of next week" because, for example today is friday
<eph3meral>
at least where I live it's friday :)
<lewis>
I thought ruby was mostly inspired by c but i was wrong
<eph3meral>
lewis, perl I think
<lewis>
c++
<shevy>
lewis smalltalk
<lewis>
python
<shevy>
where do you have this information
<shevy>
watching alice in wonderland?
<katya^>
it's not inspired by C at all
<lewis>
katya^: yup. it certainly has some similarity
<katya^>
where?
<shevy>
hehe katya^ says no, then lewis follows up with "yup. it certainly has some similarity"
<katya^>
C-based grammars feel natural, ruby feels very unnatural
<shevy>
I smell troll
<shevy>
oh
<shevy>
two of em
<shevy>
:(
<lewis>
lol
<shevy>
"ruby feels very unnatural"
<lewis>
shevy: fails
<katya^>
that's not necessarily bad, shevy
<shevy>
well, I fell for him at first but now it's ok
<katya^>
it's jusy very difficult to get used to for people that are accustomed to real languages
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<katya^>
just*
<shevy>
real languages
<davidcelis>
shevy: Two?
<Radar>
lol katya^
<shevy>
Chinese
<Radar>
apeiros_: PING
<davidcelis>
shevy: Oh wait, katya^ is in here
<katya^>
is he following me
<shevy>
davidcelis, well so far katya^ and lewis
<Radar>
apeiros_: Please deal with this katya^ clown
<shevy>
but katya^ is clearly the older troll
<davidcelis>
shevy: Yeah he was just in #rubyonrails trolling as well.
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<katya^>
i don't troll
<lewis>
shevy: it was inspired by many languages which includes python, C++,smalltalk, Perl
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<davidcelis>
Keep telling yourself that
<katya^>
just because I say something you don't want to hear, does not make me a troll
<shevy>
lewis, C++ how precisely? I know of only << "operator"
<lewis>
shevy: I don't know buddy. Got it from the book
<shevy>
oh man
<shevy>
I can no longer believe you
<shevy>
the man who wrote the book you showed knows ruby very well
<lewis>
shevy: I thought it was inspired mostly by c as personal opinion but I was wrong (it just the syntax looked familiar to me ..somewhat)
<shevy>
katya^ I like you
<shevy>
say something funny katya^
<katya^>
knock knock
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<shevy>
lewis, what syntax! you can avoid "for" in Ruby... my ruby code looks nothing at all like C... In C you require () parens and you require ; you also require #include and an int main(), and you must declare the types of all your variables
<shevy>
I really have no idea where you have this funny idea that ruby looks like C
<shevy>
b1 = (double *)malloc(m*sizeof(double)); <--- is this ruby or C lewis
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<davidcelis>
that is clearly Ruby
<davidcelis>
obvious question is obvious
<shevy>
lol
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<shevy>
katya^ can't you say something else please
<katya^>
you don't need to cast the result of malloc in C, you're thinking of c++, which you still shouldn't do
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<shevy>
excellent!
<lewis>
shevy: what are you babbling about
<lewis>
shevy: I said I was wrong
<davidcelis>
shevy: hahahahha
<shevy>
lewis wait, katya^ is giving us wisdom right now
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<shevy>
it would be sad if katya^ would be banned here :(
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<shevy>
gah, he is silent now...
<katya^>
i'm a woman
<shevy>
nah
<daed>
hi
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<shevy>
hi daed
<daed>
how are you shevy
<shevy>
fine
<shevy>
rewriting my oldest project
* lewis
really believes than shevy is a troll in disguise
<daed>
perhaps
<katya^>
it's irc, of course
<shevy>
at least I don't say "Ruby was inspired by C"
<shevy>
or
<lewis>
shevy: here you go again
<shevy>
"Ruby was inspired by Python."
<lewis>
apparently you ignore when I say I was wrong..troll-like attribute
<Eiam>
wouldn't it be more appropo to say ruby was inspired by Perl? =)
<shevy>
you followed SO QUICKLY up after you said that about C
<shevy>
yes!
<davidcelis>
Eiam: Yes.
<shevy>
perl is like ruby's older brother
<Eiam>
shevy: older, and more fucked in the head?
<shevy>
well, we have to be nice to perl
<shevy>
it kinda paved the way for the other languages
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<davidcelis>
LEAVE PERL ALONE
<Eiam>
davidcelis: I would, if it would just die
<katya^>
perl is better, imo
<Eiam>
and go away.
<shevy>
also, they can not transition to perl 6, which is difficult for them
<shevy>
katya^, perl is still in use
<davidcelis>
katya^: So you finally admit to subjectivity! Most excellent
<katya^>
yes
<davidcelis>
It was only a matter of time.
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<lewis>
shevy: 13:32 lewis: I thought ruby was mostly inspired by c but i was wrong. then you went on and on about god knows what
<katya^>
i still use it
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<lampe2>
hey my ruby friends :)
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<shevy>
lewis ya ya and you said you have this from a book written by dblack himself ... sure sure sure
<lewis>
shevy: I meant perl,smalltalk and python. please stop talking
<shevy>
python!
<lewis>
13:33 lewis: python
<lewis>
13:33 shevy: where do you have this information
<shevy>
!!!
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<shevy>
where is the python in ruby
<davidcelis>
Dynamic typing, of course!
<davidcelis>
also, `def`
<davidcelis>
They are practically the same language, shevy
<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
you are right about the "def" part
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<shevy>
one could even say that ruby stole that from python
<lampe2>
a nother round ruby vs python ... cant we just be mates?
<davidcelis>
lampe2: This is actually on the influce of python on ruby
<shevy>
ok
<shevy>
what is better:
<davidcelis>
influence*
<shevy>
vim or emacs
<katya^>
vim
<elalande>
vim :P
<shevy>
I dont like katya^ :(
<davidcelis>
shevy: notepad
<shevy>
well I can agree partially... but what I hate in notepad is, you dont get colour highlighting or?
<shevy>
I need to concentrate more when there is only black + white
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<lampe2>
influence....every language has some parts from other languages
<lampe2>
okay maybe java not... java is bullshit all the time :P
<Eiam>
sometimes languages serve as warnings to other languages as to what to NOT do
<Eiam>
so their existence is important
<Eiam>
like Go, and Java
<Eiam>
=)
<Mon_Ouie>
I'm glad Brainfuck exists
<shevy>
Go exists because Google is bored
<lampe2>
Eiam, so Java is very important :) it shows us like we should things not do !
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<Eiam>
it shows us that you can indeed put public static void int private myFunct() and people will apparently think you are serious
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<lampe2>
or you can open a streambuffer and parse it and than you cant do nothing anymore with the streambuffer you need a new one.... but you didnt close the old one .... GREAT stream...
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<SEJeff_work>
Forgive my extreme ruby noobish-ness, but graylog2 thinks it requires rdoc 3.1.1 even though I have the 3.12 rdoc gem installed
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<SEJeff_work>
Is there a way I can install rdoc 3.1.1 as well? gem install rdoc --version 3.1.1 just says: ERROR: Could not find a valid gem 'rdoc' (= 3.1.1) in any repository
<shevy>
Eiam, well they sell software for amount of characters used ;)
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<lampe2>
SEJeff_work, can you update your gems? my graylog wants 3.1.2 ?
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<Eiam>
in my experience it seems like everyone doing java is contractors
<Eiam>
of the overseas type
<Eiam>
so that wouldn't surprise me
<shevy>
Eiam yea
<sarmiena_>
just found something interesting about Array += method. turns out it does a fake mutation. totally confused me http://pastie.org/3781960
<oooPaul>
There are still a lot of people using Java. Mostly in large companies, where they can afford the overhead of time and money. :)
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<SEJeff_work>
You know... Sometimes C++ will use java to prototype stuff
<SEJeff_work>
*C++ shops
<shevy>
C++ shops, so so
<Mon_Ouie>
sarmiena_: That's probably because there's no such thing as a += method
<oooPaul>
sarmiena_, what do you mean it does a fake mutation?
<Mon_Ouie>
a += b is a syntax sugar for a = a + b
<sarmiena_>
Mon_Ouie: Array docs show a +=
<oooPaul>
Yeah.
<sarmiena_>
ohh i see
<sarmiena_>
that makes sense
<davidcelis>
which is syntax sugar for array = array + other_array
<oooPaul>
Right.
<sarmiena_>
i was comparing it to something like string#replace
<oooPaul>
Newp.
<sarmiena_>
arggghhh. live and learn
<oooPaul>
<< will work that way, tho.
<oooPaul>
If you need it to.
<sarmiena_>
not that would append an array into my array
<Mon_Ouie>
Array#concat
<oooPaul>
Well, don't pass it an array, then. :)
<sarmiena_>
Mon_Ouie: thankee!
<oooPaul>
:D
<sarmiena_>
oooPaul: 2 different use cases
<Mon_Ouie>
Not sure what "newp" means, but yes, #replace is the method that completely changes the value of an object without creating a new one, so you can compare it to "="
<CannedCorn>
how do you get rid of trailing space in erb
<sarmiena_>
Mon_Ouie: newp == nope
<sarmiena_>
but in a cute way
<sarmiena_>
"cute"
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<sarmiena_>
Mon_Ouie: "=" does a reassignment of the variable (new memory location)
<oooPaul>
In a kewl way. :)
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<sarmiena_>
CannedCorn: <%- stuff %>
<oooPaul>
sarmiena_, Mon_Ouie : More importantly, the + actually returns a NEW instance.
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<sarmiena_>
oooPaul: yeah that's what i got in the pastie
<Mon_Ouie>
array.replace(array + other_array) would work
<sarmiena_>
that's why i call object_id
<Mon_Ouie>
It would surely be slower than concat, but it'd work
<oooPaul>
Array#concat returns "self", but Array#+ returns a new instance.
<oooPaul>
Mon_Ouie, yeah.
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<sarmiena_>
oooPaul, Mon_Ouie: thanks guys. things clearer now :)
<oooPaul>
It's basically the diff between, for example, "gsub" and "gsub!" -- the latter changes the content of the string, and returns 'self'. The former returns a brand new String object with the changes applied.
<lampe2>
where is a good place to find co programmer ?
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<sarmiena_>
oooPaul: different from gsub because it doesn't change where the current var is pointing
<sarmiena_>
*gsub doesn't
<Mon_Ouie>
It's same difference as a.gsub! vs a = a.gsub though
<sarmiena_>
Mon_Ouie: yessir
<oooPaul>
Array#+ is to String#gsub as Array#concat is to String#gsub! (phrased as an SAT question :)
<Mon_Ouie>
It always takes me a couple of minutes to parse that construction correctly
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<hashpuppy>
how do i convert a Fixnum (integer) to BigDecimal?
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<davidcelis>
BigDecminal.new(fixnum)
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<hashpuppy>
TypeError: can't convert Fixnum into String
<davidcelis>
Weird
<hashpuppy>
i'm on 1.8.7, though. is that why?
<davidcelis>
what ver of Ruby
<davidcelis>
ah
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<davidcelis>
.to_s your fixnum first
<davidcelis>
in 1.8.7, it only accepts the number as a string for some reason
<hashpuppy>
ha... ok
<hashpuppy>
thanks :)
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<mohsin^>
hi there
<CannedCorn>
sarmiena_ that doesn't work for me
<CannedCorn>
i think its 'rails only'
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<mohsin^>
i am a beginner in ruby and need few pointers ..can you please point me to a ruby friendly editor/dev environment on mac?
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<sarmiena_>
CannedCorn: what's rails only?
<oooPaul>
TextMate
<CannedCorn>
using the -% to get rid of newlines in erb
<davidcelis>
moshee: Sublime Text 2, TextMate, Chocolat
<davidcelis>
er
<davidcelis>
he left?
<sarmiena_>
CannedCorn: oh. %-
<sarmiena_>
?
<davidcelis>
mohsin^: Sublime Text 2, TextMate, Chocolat
<sarmiena_>
not -%
<CannedCorn>
yeah
<CannedCorn>
that doesn't work
<sarmiena_>
i see. maybe is rails extension on erb
<CannedCorn>
yep
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<sarmiena_>
CannedCorn: maybe you can check out their source code and it'll give you a clue on how to do it?
<mohsin^>
thanks .. and how easy / difficult it is to create desktop app in ruby .. i am under the impression that it is geared towards web development
<davidcelis>
mohsin^: Ruby is just a scripting language.
<sarmiena_>
mohsin^: def not just for web dev
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<davidcelis>
mohsin^: You can do whatever you want with it, really
<sarmiena_>
but i'd use C++ & qt or gtk for desktop UI stuffs
<davidcelis>
mohsin^: If you're developing programs for Mac OS X and want to use Ruby, I'd check out MacRuby
<davidcelis>
It provides a Ruby API layer to Cocoa
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<sarmiena_>
that's neat
<mohsin^>
I am going to develop a basic gui that talks to my SQL .. choosing ruby just to learn it
<Eiam>
sarmiena_: i'd rather use macruby haha
<Eiam>
than qt or qtk
<Eiam>
=)
<sarmiena_>
Eiam: but that's only for mac
<Eiam>
who cares about other platforms? =)
<Eiam>
(not me)
<davidcelis>
Well, he did specifically mention Mac.
<sarmiena_>
hahaah
<mohsin^>
:) .. I only mentioned mac as my dev environment
<shevy>
the ruby toolkits are fairly boring
<sarmiena_>
my peers are a mix between linux & mac
<sarmiena_>
that's why i'd do qt
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<sarmiena_>
but depends on your scenario i guess
<davidcelis>
mohsin^: Well, you also said you want it to talk to YOUR SQL
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<davidcelis>
mohsin^: And if your dev environment is Mac...
<mohsin^>
true .. mySQL
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<mohsin^>
davidcelis: you were saying something?
<Eiam>
mohsin^: so just write a rails app that does it
<Eiam>
do your GUI in erb's
<Eiam>
rails can talk to your sql DB, your GUI will be 'cross functional' since it 'll be in the web
<Eiam>
and you get to do ruby
<davidcelis>
Or even just a Sinatra app
<Eiam>
yeha, or that
<davidcelis>
Rails would probably be overkill for this
<Eiam>
i learned more by being dumped into a rails app tho
<shevy>
the best way to learn ruby is to write ruby scripts
<Eiam>
than the book taught me ;)
<Eiam>
^
<davidcelis>
I learned Ruby the wrong way
<davidcelis>
Which was by learning Rails
<davidcelis>
I ended up okay, though
<Eiam>
i started off not liking ruby much, but i really like it now
<Eiam>
davidcelis: haha
<shevy>
hehe
<davidcelis>
:)
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<Eiam>
yeah i sort of did that, since my ruby is mostly rails
<shevy>
rails dudes are rich
<davidcelis>
I always hypocritically advise people to learn Ruby first though, at least the basics
<Eiam>
davidcelis: practicalities are people are here because they need to DO something
<Eiam>
and that something typically involves more than just scripts
<Eiam>
otherwise they'd be using BASH
<Eiam>
(when i need scripts, i use use bash still instead of ruby)
<pangur>
chosen = fields[3]; if chosen == 1 ... p.choice = "Puppets"; end; Why does this code not work for me?
<shevy>
Eiam I find shell scripts horrible to look at
<Eiam>
shevy: they are
<Eiam>
you get used to it =)
<shevy>
pangur what value does chosen have?
<Eiam>
pangur: uhm, i dunno, whats fields? whats p?
<pangur>
1,2, or 3 :)
<davidcelis>
what's precious?
<shevy>
then it is not 1
<Eiam>
^
<Eiam>
pangur: lets start over. what are you trying to do
<shevy>
perhaps chosen is nil
<pangur>
It prints out for me Choice: 1 ;)
<shevy>
Eiam, what I feel in bash and shell, I always feel constrained by the language
<pangur>
Rather than Choice: Puppets
<katya^>
what is the difference between nil and null
<shevy>
katya^, please go away
<canton7>
katya^, nil's a ruby concept, null exists in other languages
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<davidcelis>
In Ruby, null is nil.
<davidcelis>
There's no null
<shevy>
we are trying to help people, not troll them away katya^
<pangur>
So, the value must be 1?
<shevy>
pangur, if it would be 1, the code block would be entered
<shevy>
thus is logically can not be 1
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<pangur>
hmph
<Eiam>
pangur: call pp chosen
<Eiam>
and find out what it is?
<shevy>
perhaps it is "1"
<katya^>
why would you call it nil when it's null everywhere else
<shevy>
yeah use pp pangur
<shevy>
katya^, please
<Eiam>
katya^: its nil in objc ?
<lupine_85>
nil != NULL
<davidcelis>
nil is 25% shorter than null
<Eiam>
null is an NSNull
<davidcelis>
therefore, 25% better
<davidcelis>
Q.E.D.
<Eiam>
and nil is nil
<lupine_85>
NULL.nil? would be false
<shevy>
wtf is NULL
<katya^>
(void *)0
<canton7>
a constant ;)
<lupine_85>
compiler-dependent
<katya^>
typically
<lupine_85>
certainly not nil, anyway
<shevy>
davidcelis, what is going on here :(
<Mon_Ouie>
C's NULL isn't an object, so NULL.nil? wouldn't do anything good
<davidcelis>
uninitialized constant NULL
<katya^>
or (uintptr_t)0 if you like
<davidcelis>
the fuck are you guys talking about?
<Eiam>
yeah
<Eiam>
i dunno what nULL is haha irb is like 'wtf'
<Eiam>
NameError: undefined local variable or method `null' for main:Object
<shevy>
where from does nULL come...
<davidcelis>
what is this, #c ?
<lupine_85>
oh dear...
<Eiam>
davidcelis: katya^ be trollin
<shevy>
yeah
<katya^>
i don't troll
<davidcelis>
I know
<davidcelis>
I am familiar with him
<Eiam>
katya^: yeah, you are =)
<Eiam>
davidcelis: her, apparently ?
<shevy>
the troll says I am not trolling
<lupine_85>
Mon_Ouie, it's so obviously a nonsense, I wonder why you think it's what I meant
<davidcelis>
Eiam: Him, her, I don't care
<davidcelis>
Obvious troll is obvious
<shevy>
the thief shouts "catch the thief!", points at someone else, then steals a wallet
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<Mon_Ouie>
lupine_85: I'm not sure what you think I meant, in fact
<shevy>
I think lupine_85 is friend of katya^
<davidcelis>
>> NULL = nil #=> nil
<davidcelis>
>> NULL.nil? #=> true
<davidcelis>
Problem solved, bitches
<davidcelis>
Now GTFO my internet
<Eiam>
hahah
<shevy>
cool
<shevy>
now ruby has NULL
<shevy>
and everyone will ask
<pangur>
I do not know how to do pp chosen
<shevy>
"Why does ruby have nil and NULL?"
<katya^>
you're "familiar" with me? excuse me?
<Eiam>
katya^: yeah, that one night
<shevy>
pangur, top of your file: require 'pp'
<pangur>
ah
<pangur>
thanks
<davidcelis>
katya^: You were in #rubyonrails earlier
<shevy>
katya^, they know you from other channels like c#
<davidcelis>
katya^: I do not have short-term memory loss so, yes, I remember you.
<katya^>
that doesn't make you familiar with me
<lupine_85>
shevy, afraid not
<rexantony>
the ruby programming language is january 2008, and for you is more updated book for ruby ?
<Eiam>
i just figured out how to improve my experience, ignore wooo
<Eiam>
rexantony: i just mentioned one
<lupine_85>
my point was simply that the value of the C constant NULL would not evaluate to nil in a Ruby context
<katya^>
you don't know me or who I am, and it's going to stay that way because I have no desire to get to know you
<shevy>
rexantony you could try the latest pickaxe... it is not one of the best books ever, but it is somewhat ok
<davidcelis>
Glad we're understood.
<shevy>
katya^ where do you live?
<davidcelis>
Is there a reason you're still here, other than bitching about the language?
<davidcelis>
apeiros_: Ping?
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<katya^>
i'm not bitching
<shevy>
indeed
<shevy>
he is just trolling
<canton7>
katya^, I'm familiar with some of the regulars here. That doesn't mean that I know them personally, just that I recognise them and I know whether they're helpful, etc
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<davidcelis>
shevy: True, my mistake. The bitching was in #rubyonrails
<shevy>
katya^ never helped anyone
<katya^>
that's not familiarity, thats recognition
<Eiam>
now the conversation is geting weird because i only see half of it
<davidcelis>
And that's why (s)he was banned
<shevy>
he
<davidcelis>
I try not to assume
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<davidcelis>
katya^: Actually, a synonym of "familiarity" is "awareness of"
<katya^>
you're not aware of me
<davidcelis>
So the word familiarity still works in this context.
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<davidcelis>
I am indeed aware of your existence.
<canton7>
familiar (adjective): "1. commonly or generally known or seen: a familiar sight. "
<katya^>
that's not the same thing
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<davidcelis>
English is ambiguous. Deal with it.
<katya^>
aware of my existence and aware of my person are distinct concepts
<pangur>
It seems that I have chosen is coming out as "1\n" :)
<canton7>
heh, I'm familiar with my keyboard. Doesn't mean that I know it personally
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<davidcelis>
pangur: Are you getting it with "gets" or something?
<canton7>
Indeed, English isn't defined anywhere. Make of it what you will :)
<katya^>
sure you do, you've dug your fingers into its every crevice
<pangur>
yes, I am davidcelis
<katya^>
you're pretty well acquainted i'd say
<davidcelis>
pangur: Yeah, $stdin will capture that "enter" key as a linebreak with gets
<davidcelis>
pangur: If you don't want that \n, strip all input you receive via gets
<pangur>
ok thanks, davidcelis
<davidcelis>
Okay, but seriously, this is #ruby, not #english. This is a pointless conversation
<Eiam>
welcome to 10 minutes ago
<canton7>
Yeah, I'm just procrastinating. I'll get back on topic :P
<shevy>
yeah gets and chomp too ... I usually like to put in $stdin before that as well... $stdin.gets.chomp
<katya^>
you're right, we should be speaking in french
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<shevy>
can we send katya^ back to #rubyonrails please?
<katya^>
they decided that they couldn't stand to hear about how poor the reference manual is
<katya^>
so no
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<davidcelis>
shevy: Like I said, banned. For obvious reasons
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<shevy>
yeah but I think it would be better if he would be banned here, and could go back to #rubyonrails... :>
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<shevy>
katya^, at least go and learn ruby ok?
<katya^>
maybe one day
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<davidcelis>
Putting him/her on your ignore list is a mere 10 keystrokes away
<davidcelis>
11 if you include the enter key
<shevy>
I never used ignore
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<katya^>
feel free to do so, I don't care if you read my lines of text or not, personally
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<shevy>
I like you too much katya^
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* pangur
is updating his gems
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<Kyle__>
if you have an instance of a class, x, and you run y=x.clone, _should_ member functions run on y affect data in x?
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<gogiel>
kevinbond: that's a question?
<Mon_Ouie>
Kyle__: No. It could though, if the copy method wasn't implemented correctly.
<Kyle__>
Mon_Ouie: You need to implment a copy method for .clone?
<Kyle__>
s/implment/implement/
<Mon_Ouie>
There's default implementation that may or may not be enough for your purpose
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<Kyle__>
hum. The data in question here is stored in arrays of arrays. I thought the default would be enough....
<Kyle__>
When is it not enough?
<Mon_Ouie>
It copies the ivars, but not the objects referenced by the ivars
<gogiel>
afaik it's not enough for arrays
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<Mon_Ouie>
So if you're going to mutate the object referenced by an ivar, you should copy it explicitly in #initialize_copy
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<Kyle__>
OK. Well that explains my confusion then.
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<canton7>
looks like it's enough for 1D arrays, but doesn't clone each of the sub-arrays
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<canton7>
am I missing something, or is it fairly easy to do something like this: http://pastie.org/3782488 ?
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<lectrick>
As far as caching goes, is it always better to use key based cache expiration coupled with a cache store that garbage collects the least recently accessed data?
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<canton7>
actually, that would fall over on hashes
<katya^>
i've decided that I've figured out that which most characterizes freenode users
<Mon_Ouie>
canton7: What you are referring to is most likely Array#dup
<Kyle__>
canton7: I'm using some heavily nested arrays so, yea. makes sense.
<katya^>
it's like a colony inhabited entirely by Sheldon Coopers
<Mon_Ouie>
Which also is a shallow copy, i.e. it copies the content of the array, but doesn't create a copy of each individual elements
<Kyle__>
katya^: I think many of us prefer to think of ourselves as lenords, amys or walowitz's fiance (whos name escapes me). Depending on their persuasion.
<katya^>
maybe, but I don't see it that way
<katya^>
too much aspergers
<Mon_Ouie>
Kyle__: Bernadette, for the record
<katya^>
don't mean anyone here in particular
<katya^>
(that I know of)
<Kyle__>
Mon_Ouie: Thank you. My head is too deep in my code right now to remember names :)
<Kyle__>
back to the code..
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<Axsuul>
Is there an alternative to open-uri. I discovered that open-uri doesn't handle redirects from http -> https
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<canton7>
Axsuul, net/http? There's also a nice-looking rest-client gem hanging around
<Mon_Ouie>
One that provides a method with the same API as IO.open, I doubt — But there are plenty of HTTP(s) gems, though
<lampe2>
hey i wanne store content like a picture with some metatages in a database is mongodb there a good choice ?
<shadoi>
mongodb was MADE for metatages.
<shadoi>
like, omg.
<cconstantine>
hey all, I'm trying to get rvm working on ubuntu 10.11. I've got rvm installed for single-user, and I can run 'rvm'. When I go into a project with a .rvmrc I keep getting a 'Unknown ruby interpreter version: '1.9.2'.' even though I have the ruby specified in the .rvmrc installed. Any ideas?
<lampe2>
cconstantine, rvm use 1.9.x . the x for the 1.9 version u want to use
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<cconstantine>
lampe2, no dice.
<lampe2>
shadoi, the thing is i wanne store the picture too in the db
<shadoi>
lampe2: the best database for binary data: filesystems.
<lampe2>
cconstantine, no dice ????
<cconstantine>
didn't work
<ablemike>
Hi all, I am using the Net::SSH library to do some actions on a remote box. I could use some advice on my architecture here.
<cconstantine>
well, the 'rvm use' worked, but I'm still getting that error
<lampe2>
what are you getting when you type: ruby -v ? cconstantine
<nkts>
Hi, I have this problem: http://p.nkts.lt/f5b6a32b8db5ee744c28ccff95f2bb35 -- ruby is not checking gems directory for mysql2 gem. Linux distro - Fedora 16, mysql2 gem installed manualy: gem install mysql2 without any errors. Any idea?
<ablemike>
We are using a gem to poll a service and want to proxy this request through Net::SSH
<cconstantine>
lampe2, odd, I appear to get the right ruby version
<lampe2>
shadoi, what i wanne do is make like a metadata base for every object like text,video,pic,sound etc etc
<ablemike>
Is this something that feels achievable?
<davidcelis>
nkts: Try require 'mysql'
<Mon_Ouie>
nkts: You didn't require rubygems
<Mon_Ouie>
You need to require it for gem directories to be looked up as well
<shadoi>
nkts: prior to 1.9.x you have to explicitly require rubygems
<lampe2>
cconstantine, when you type rvm list is there the version shown that you wanne use for the project?
<shadoi>
lampe2: it's just a bad idea.
<cconstantine>
lampe2, yeah
<lampe2>
cconstantine, have you installed all thing in what rvm requierments says?
<cconstantine>
lampe2, in fact, if I do a `cat .rvmrc` it runs successfully
<lampe2>
cconstantine, cat only shows whats in the .rvmrc file ;)
<cconstantine>
notice the ticks
<Mon_Ouie>
I'd just echo "rvm_project_rvmrc=0" >> ~/.rvmrc, but that's just me I guess
<lampe2>
shadoi, so better save a link in the file the db?
<nkts>
Mon_Ouie, shadoi: thanks
<cconstantine>
when I cd into a directory with an .rvmrc does rvm just run that file?
<delinquentme>
anyone off hand know which operation if faster ? "asdf/ad/s".split('/')[0] == 'asdf' VRS "asdf/ad/s"[0..3] ?
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<shadoi>
lampe2: yes
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<Mon_Ouie>
Probably the later as it doesn't need to iterate over the whole string to find "/" or to create an array of substrings
<Mon_Ouie>
latter*
<canton7>
delinquentme, use the one that's clearest and best expresses your intent
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<shadoi>
lampe2: there are certain reasons why you'd make it a requirement to store them in a K/V store like HDFS or S3/Swift or Riak.
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<cconstantine>
lampe2, weird, it's definately picking the right ruby, but I'm still getting that error
<shadoi>
cconstantine: what's in the .rvmrc?
<cconstantine>
rvm use --create 1.9.2-p290@kairos
<lampe2>
hmm
<apeiros_>
davidcelis: pong
<shadoi>
I can't stand using .rvmrc files, no idea.
<cconstantine>
shadoi, no idea why people use them, or why you have a problem with them?
<davidcelis>
apeiros_: Things seem to have quieted down, actually
<lampe2>
the thing is: i wanne make something like a course object with metadata but this object only hold refernce to other objects like chapter1 and chapter one holds only the refernce to maybe text1 with metadata and picture1 with metadata and so on
<apeiros_>
davidcelis: I see
<shadoi>
cconstantine: no idea why it doesn't work for you.
<apeiros_>
fuck, I just slept for ~4h
<lampe2>
cconstantine, i use rvm but not .rvmrc :) i use for all my projects ruby 1.9.2
<Mon_Ouie>
I find that making RVM switch ruby version when I cd into a directory is intrusive
<shadoi>
cconstantine: though it does look like you're doing 2 things at once with that command
<Mon_Ouie>
(Hence I disable that feature)
<shadoi>
agreed.
<shadoi>
I saw one that added something to your prompt if you aren't using the right ruby version for the project, which wasn't too intrustive.
<shadoi>
But it required everyone use bash.
<apeiros_>
at work, it's quite useful
<cconstantine>
zsh :)
<apeiros_>
(different projects running with different rubies)
<shadoi>
mostly I think they're just intrusive and annoying for no good reason.
<shadoi>
print out a warning in the code if it's not running with the right ruby version.
<cconstantine>
so then how do you 'use' the .rvmrc if you don't have it auto-switch?
<lampe2>
couchdb vs mongodb vs postgreSQL ?
<Mon_Ouie>
I just ignore them, and switch ruby version if I must/want
<shadoi>
lampe2: that's a very troll-y question. :)
<cconstantine>
lampe2, no other information? postgres.
<lampe2>
shadoi, i know...
<shevy>
we need a shell that replaces zsh and bash
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<shadoi>
like a hole in the head
<apeiros_>
oh yeah, hole in the head please. that's awesome!
<lampe2>
my headhurts.... i dont know which db to chose for a tree strcutre...
<shadoi>
shevy: it can be fast enough
<shevy>
I think what you would really need, to even remotely have any TINY chance to replace bash, would be to make a shell that would be so awesome that it would really make you... 300% more productive in it at least
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<mistergibson>
shadoi: is my understanding correct in that ruby does *not* consolidate free slots among heaps, and that heaps are *never* deallocated?
<shadoi>
mistergibson: depends on the implementation, I think that's true for MRI
* apeiros_
would be happy with a shell that doesn't fail with color codes in the prompt
<shevy>
something like ... pry + ruby-bash mixture ... hmm and I dont know what else...
<mistergibson>
shadoi: ok ... slapping hand twitches
<apeiros_>
may just be readline on OSX, though
<shadoi>
shevy: yeah, pry is like 75% there.
<shadoi>
I find myself staying it pry most times now and just using ".ls" and such
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<shevy>
shadoi pry is cool, but it has no aim to replace bash... or zsh... and not even irb :(
<shevy>
heeh
<cconstantine>
lampe2, there are some tree dbs
<cconstantine>
lampe2, look for a graph db
<cconstantine>
lampe2, riak might be a good choice
<shevy>
voice instructions would be nice
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<eignerchris>
lampe2: neo4j
<cconstantine>
eignerchris, yeah, that's the one I was thinking
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<shevy>
hmm
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<lampe2>
eignerchris, neo4j is writen in java and i hate java :D
<shevy>
can you mac guys use voice instruction? like ... in textmate... you would not need to write anything, you could just speak what code you want to have
<davidcelis>
dictation?
<eignerchris>
shevy: i played with applescripts awhile back
<davidcelis>
that would be tough for code, i think
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<lampe2>
let me read about riak :)
<eignerchris>
to restart my server or run a migration
<shevy>
I really have no idea, never used mac, never used voice instructions... but sometimes I am tired of hitting my keyboard with my fingers
<eignerchris>
but ultimately i found the guard gem to be better for this
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<cconstantine>
lampe2, yeah, riak is probably what you want then
<davidcelis>
shevy: I mean I've used iOS dictation, but I can't imagine it working terribly well for writing code
<apeiros_>
writing code has too many special signs, which is somewhat horrible unless your dictation software was actually aware of the language's syntax
<eignerchris>
shevy: i think you could use it for keywords. "new class" that generates a new class with an initialize function stubbed out
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<apeiros_>
there's some video of somebody coding perl with dictation
<apeiros_>
just horrible
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<any-key>
>.>
<eignerchris>
shevy: but honestly typing "class\t" would be easier i'd think
<lampe2>
cconstantine, github says that ripple thats a riak driver is failing to build !?
<apeiros_>
it fails utterly due to all the "curly braces" etc. being inserted as text ("curly braces") instead of the sign ("{")
<eignerchris>
shevy: do you use the textmate snippets at all?
<lampe2>
oh theres a riak client o0
<cconstantine>
lampe2, english?... you got it to work?