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<shevy> well
<atmosx> hello rubyists
<shevy> I still would like to see something like squeak for ruby
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<deryl> squeak?
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<tarwich> I hate smalltalk
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> I think smalltalk is not so bad... the syntax is not great though... and it failed to grow
<shevy> but squeak was a nice idea IMO
<shevy> ewww
<shevy> the syntax...
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<shevy> self semaphore critical:[
<shevy> self changed: *appendEntry.
<tarwich> Java and JSON have such an easy and robust syntax. But this bit of ending commands in a period kills me.
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> yeah
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<Animawish> what's a simple way to check whether a variable is an integer
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<shevy> Animawish you must use irb
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<shevy> then for instance
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<shevy> x = 5; x.is_a? Fixnum # => true
<shevy> x.is_a? Integer
<shevy> or a regex
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<shevy> for strings haha
<shevy> "5" =~ /\d+/ # => 0
<Animawish> what if i want to do it as part of an if statement
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<blazes816> if x.is_a? Integer
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<blazes816> if x =~ /\d+/
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<shevy> Animawish just as any other expression in ruby too
<shevy> Animawish by using if
<shevy> :)))
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<shevy> if something
<shevy> do_this
<shevy> else
<shevy> do_that
<shevy> end
<shevy> .respond_to? is also available
<blazes816> if x.respond_to?(:is_a?) && x.is_a?(Integer)
<blazes816> sweeeeet
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<shevy> lol
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> is there a gem that allows one to upload videos to youtube?
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<swarley> shevy, check the youtube developer API, it is OAuth and Rest based I believe
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<swarley> What is mongodb exactly?
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<havenn> swarley: A database of key-value pairs in Javascript.
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<swarley> isit.
<swarley> a server process?
<swarley> like mysql
<swarley> ?
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<Animawish> i want to make a do loop that executes a number of times equal to a variable, but i don't know how to do it
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<havenn> Animawish: 5.times { "do this loop" }
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<Animawish> thanks havenn :3
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<zander_> exit
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<atmosx> haha
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<tarwich> rbcurse is eating my error messages. What's a quick way to get them to fail again?
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<tarwich> Or see what they are
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<Spooner> swarley Nope, mongodb is a database that stores JSON documents (JSON is the data format used by javascript, but mongo has nothing whatsoever to do with javascript).
<swarley> oh, interesting
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<Spooner> It is pretty much doing the same thing as mysql (in the _vaguest_ sense) in that it is a database system.
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<chiel> basically you don't have a set schema
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<chiel> you can add new entries to documents "on the fly" but still can query them etc
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<chiel> so if I want to add a column for "title"
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<chiel> in mysql I'd have to alter the table schema
<swarley> so its more flexible
<chiel> in mongo, i'd just add it
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<chiel> they're simply different
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<swarley> like, its more seamless?
<chiel> creating relations between collections is a bit harder
<chiel> yeah
<swarley> harder to tell i'm using a DBI
<chiel> you don't have to create dbs, collections or documents or anything before hitting the db
<chiel> if you are using a new db suddenly, or collection, it'll just create it
<swarley> oh neat
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<chiel> so it's very effortless, from a usage perspective
<chiel> that all said, i'm only just getting into it
<chiel> so i don't know too much abou tit :)
<chiel> about it*
<swarley> neat
<Spooner> swarley have a look at the API for it in something like Mongoid. Might give you some clues how it is the same and different: http://mongoid.org/en/mongoid/index.html
<swarley> i'm considering using it
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<swarley> I'm thinking about doing a overhaul on Cinch
<chiel> it just depends on your data really :)
<chiel> if you are drawing a lot of relationships between tables, it might not be the best idea
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<chiel> if that data can easily be stored in the same document, well, then it might be worth a go
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<Spooner> Yep.
<chiel> I'll be using it for tinker.io
<chiel> mainly cause I'm changing how all dependencies work
<chiel> so it allows for this change :)
<chiel> anyway, i'll be off now
<chiel> tata! :)
<Spooner> I used it for a game server, but I never got around to finishing the game. No idea if I'd have been better off with another DB style though :D
<flyinprogramer> soo… migrating to ruby 1.9… and noticed something moderately strange… if Foo < Bar and Bar has an instance variable @thing1; Foo.instance_variables doesn't list thing1 --- any idea why?
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<Spooner> flyinprogramer : Instance variables don't get inherited. That isn't something magic to 1.9.
<Spooner> _class instance variables_ I mean (which is, I assume, what you meant).
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<flyinprogramer> hmm...
<flyinprogramer> time for a gist...
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<Spooner> Yeah, that might make it clearer (not sure I got what you meant).
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<swarley> flyinprogramer, @@thing1
<Spooner> That is a class variable, not an instance variable.
<flyinprogramer> i mean i literally have that going on...
<swarley> oh
<flyinprogramer> and i thought Bar would have a thing...
<swarley> [5] pry(main)> k = Bar.new
<swarley> => #<Bar:0x00000001f31078 @thing=nil>
<Spooner> Bar doesn't have a thing, but an instance of Bar would.
<swarley> it does
<flyinprogramer> hmm
<swarley> i pasted your code directly
<flyinprogramer> interesting
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<Spooner> Taht is why @ivar is called an instance variable, it is a variable on the instance of a class, not on the class itself. Thus Bar.instance_variables will be empty, but Bar.new.instance_variables will have a @thing.
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<flyinprogramer> ok.. i wonder how this code ever worked in the first place then...
<flyinprogramer> i'm thinking it didn't
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<Spooner> Well, that code doesn't _do_ anything, so "working" is moot.
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<flyinprogramer> well true, i boiled it down to show what i thought was the issue..
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<swarley> Mongo::ConnectionFailure: Failed to connect to a master node at localhost:27017
<swarley> what do i do here lol
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<Spooner> swarley : I thinmk we need more info than that.
<swarley> [7] pry(main)> mdb = Mongo::Connection.new
<Spooner> Presumably you haven't installed mongodb and/or aren't running mongod ?
<swarley> that's all i did lol
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<swarley> i asked if i needed to have a server process running
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<swarley> and i got an answer of "no"
<swarley> so i assumed not
<swarley> i guess i'm doing that now
<Spooner> Not from me you didn't ;)
<swarley> no not from you
<swarley> but from someone else :p
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<Spooner> And I wouldn't use Mongo directly (which is like using SQL directly - does anyone do that any more?). Use something like Mongoid (which is like ActiveRecord)
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<Animawish> is there a simple way to make ruby take the first character as input without requiring enter?
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<swarley> Animawish, i wish
<swarley> You'd best look into NCurses
<swarley> or unbuffered io
<bnagy> doesn't highline do that for you?
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<atmosx> nighty all
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<swarley> bnagy, it has internals that it does on per key basis, but I don't know if it offers any convenience functions to get a single character
<swarley> if it does i would be happy as hell
<swarley> because i've looked for that so many times
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<bnagy> clearly not very hard
<swarley> dude
<swarley> my google skills are weak
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<bnagy> dammit I want the power to come back on, I need coffee
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<swarley> i know that feel
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<swarley> so, this is something i feel like after all this time i should already know
<swarley> what is mutex?
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<bnagy> Mutal Exclusion
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<rking> bnagy: You can just chew on the grinds.
<Spooner> It is a theory that states that Texans descended from the inhabitants of the lost continent of Mu.
<bnagy> it's a construct used in threaded programming to make sure only one thread is fucking with something at a time
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<swarley> LOL
<swarley> oh
<havenn> swarley: If you don't want to use Highline, you can just: STDIN.getbyte.chr
<havenn> swarley: **to get a single character
<havenn> swarley: That is what highline does under the hood.
<swarley> oh neat
<swarley> I seriously spent hours looking for that before
<Spooner> havenn : Pity that doesn't work.
<swarley> i cant believe i missed that
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<swarley> STDIN is buffered though isnt it
<havenn> Spooner: What bout it doesn't work?
<Spooner> The not buffering it until return is pressed. Which was most of the point of it.
<havenn> Spooner: Ahh.
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<bnagy> it does sometimes, as does getc. Sometimes.
<Spooner> Sometimes isn't as useful as it could be :D
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<bnagy> hence recommending highline :)
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<bnagy> plus if you're making that kind of console app you'll almost certainly find something else useful in there
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<swarley> uhm
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<swarley> highline isnt doing what i want it to do lol
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<swarley> [5] pry(main)> HighLine::SystemExtensions.get_character
<swarley> ,lnjnjnkh jvekv keb kehb vekhf bvekhf
<swarley> it is supposed to take the first character and stop yes?
<swarley> (that's what I have looked for at least)
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<amaya_> >>'hi! '
<bnagy> swarley: that's weird
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<Spooner> swarley : That actually works for me (windows 1.9.3 pry).
<swarley> really?
<swarley> not working for me in terminator <bash>
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<swarley> Linux OctaviasViolin 3.2.0-23-generic #36-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 10 20:39:51 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
<Spooner> You need to HighLine::SystemExtensions.get_character.chr though, or you get the ascii code.
<swarley> inb4 Ewwbuntu
<swarley> I don't get anything until enter is pressed
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<swarley> i'll try in just tty
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<Spooner> Yeah, it doesn't work for me in Lubuntu in a console window. You might try coolline instead? I think that is another one...
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<swarley> nope, no luck
<rking> Hi Rubyheads. Anyone know of a way to get string evaluation but not full evaluation?
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<Spooner> Huh?
<swarley> what
<rking> E.g. I have "asd\ndf" coming in on stdin, and I want it to linebreak but not allow any Ruby code.
<swarley> wait
<swarley> so
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<Spooner> Well, to run it as Ruby code, you'd eval it, but evalling it wouldn't do anything with the newline. I still have no idea what you actually want.
<swarley> "asd\ndf".split(/\n/)[0]
<swarley> ?
<rking> swarley: Yeah but I want all the others.
<swarley> okay
<swarley> well
<bnagy> "asd\nf" is already linebroken
<swarley> \n doesnt effect it
<rking> bnagy: No it isn't. I have that literal text.
<rking> >> x = '"hi\\nbi"'
<swarley> >> eval "h = \"hello\"\nh += \" world\""
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<bnagy> you mean "asd\\n" ?
<Spooner> Oh, str.gsub! "\\n", "\n"
<swarley> oh
<rking> bnagy: Sure, if in Ruby. I just mean that exact ASCII sequence is what I get on $stdin
<rking> Spooner: But I also want \r and \033 and everything.
<swarley> \\\n
<swarley> uh
<swarley> that's odd
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<rking> There are probably 20 different escapes, and I know there's a way to do this without having to hand-code all cases.
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<swarley> rking, what do you want to do with the escapes
<swarley> [^\w\d]
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<swarley> ?
<rking> swarley: Here's my task. I'm writing a short script called "cat-p", which will strace -p a process and snarf its stdout until done. But the output format looks like this: write(1, "24759\n", 6)
<rking> I want to take that string and turn it into what it's supposed to look like.
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<Spooner> I understand why you mentioned evalling it now. If you eval it as a string, then Ruby code won't get run, but there are ways they could mess it up. eval %{"str"} would eval it as if it were a typed in string.
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<Spooner> Oops. eval %{"#{str}"}
<rking> input.gsub /write\(1, "(.+)", \d+)/ do something_with_dollar_1 end
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<swarley> that
<swarley> is super funky looking
<rking> Spooner: I think you're right. I was nervous about it having a breakable way, but I'll test it.
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<Spooner> But that would still be easy to workaround if you are worried about people running arbitrary code. You are better off just managing all the cases.
<rking> Spooner: Nah, there's a way.
<rking> Spooner: Worst case is I find the one char that breaks it, and backslash it before sending it through that.
<Spooner> "\"; system("rm -rf /"); \"" breaks it. Hmm, I suppose you are right, you can't use anything but "" to break out of it, so you could remove those.
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<rking> Spooner: Thanks for the leg up. =)
<swarley> you could always do something like
<swarley> chroot lol
<swarley> but you'd have to be root
<swarley> so nevermind
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<Spooner> Ops, I mean "\"; system('rm -rf /'); \"", but you know what I mean.
<bnagy> it really appear that there just isn't a good unescape for this
<bnagy> appears
<swarley> Eval is always unsafe
<bnagy> it's a very common question on google, but with no good answers I can find
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<swarley> answer is short
<swarley> avoid eval when possible
<Spooner> Yes, I can't imagine that just writing a simple method of gsub the 20 special characters is more hassle than fixing eval to be bomb-proof ;)
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<bnagy> that's pretty much the google consensus :/
<bnagy> how lame
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<rking> Spooner: Wanna race? =)
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<swarley> Spooner, when i have mass eval i use a hash with gsub(x,y) parameters
<swarley> err
<swarley> mass gsub
<Spooner> Not really, but I'll condescendingly correct whatever method you gist up :D
<swarley> {"x" => "y", "x1" => "g5"}
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<swarley> replace_ers.each {|x,y| string.gsub!(x,y) }
<rking> Spooner: K. 10 min.
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<rking> Spooner: Dude, it's working perfectly.
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<rking> Your %{"#{str"} has rockasaurus written all over it.
<rking> Now I need to see what %{} actually does. =)
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<Spooner> Yeah, it could be eval "\"#{str}\"", but that isn't so cool.
<rking> Oh, it's %Q
<Spooner> Indeed it is.
<rking> Heh, it's Qooler than Q though.
<rking> K. Awesome.
<rking> This thing is a sweet little tool.
<rking> Gisting.
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<rking> Version in 5 mins that separates stdin/stderr.
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<Spooner> swarley: Probably doesn't make a difference in performance, but you can do: \fs29 string.gsub /#{replace_ers.keys.join "|"}/, replace_ers\fs29
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<swarley> fs29?
<Spooner> Or rather, even if it does make a difference, 99% of apps don't care. Nothing like making something more complex to make it...er, more complex.
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<Spooner> Oops, my console hates me.
<swarley> lol
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<Spooner> rep = { "a"=>"x", "b"=>"y" }; str = "aba"; str.gsub /#{rep.keys.join "|"}/, rep
<Spooner> (Obviously you'd use #tr if you just wanted single character changes).
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<swarley> ah
<rking> Spooner: That breaks on every regex char though.
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<rking> (In the keys)
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<rking> I think Ruby has a quotemeta, though.
<Spooner> Oh, I see. In your case you'd need to Regexp.escape the joined keys.
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<Spooner> Regexp.escape(rep.keys.join("|"))
<Spooner> Really, though, you might as well just use swarley's simpler loop with gsubs in it.
<rking> That's it. Regex.escape.
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<rking> Spooner: Though now your |'s are getting backwhacked. =)
<swarley> you'd have to benchmark to see which is better
<rking> rep.keys.map{|e| Regexp.escape e}.join '|'
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<Spooner> rking : Meh. OK. I was just typing that ;)
<swarley> i think mine is faster at that point tbh
<swarley> since you already have to iterate
<Spooner> Yes, but you'd pre-make that regexp.
<swarley> then you might as well compile it
<swarley> %Q[]
<swarley> i think o-o
<swarley> no
<swarley> %r
<swarley> ?
<Spooner> %r{} is just eh same as //, but doesn't need you to escape //
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<Spooner> But unless you are replacing in 10000 character strings 10000 times a second, just use whichever is easier to read :D
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<rking> Spooner: By what string do you like to be given credit? "Thanks to Spooner Freenode's #ruby…" ?
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<rking> Or do you have a URL you'd like to point people to (Github ID, blog, etc.)?
<Spooner> Don't worry about it. A few lines thrown one way or another is nothing to credit.
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<Spooner> If you use someone's entire gem, they wouldn't get any more than that!
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<Spooner> You forgot to remove " from the string, to prevent it running real Ruby code.
<rking> Spooner: Try to break it.
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<rking> The %{} is just perfection.
<Spooner> x = "\"; puts 'boo!'; \"..."; puts eval %{"#{x}"}
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<rking> Hrm. =)
<rking> Maybe my test of it was wrong. =)
<Spooner> Thing is, though, that since you are reading in from the command line (or from an another app), unless the Ruby process has more permissions, it doesn't matter.
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<Spooner> It matters if you are reading in input from the web or other untrustworthy sources.
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<rking> Well, I don't like mishandling strings on principle, even more than only security issues.
<rking> It's the programming equivalent of leaving your fly unzipped.
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<Spooner> Yep. Well, just use $2.gsub('"', '') - I can't think of another way to break it, but I am tired. Maybe someone else will break it for you.
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<rking> It just isn't breaking IRL.
<rking> Try it against: ruby -e 'p $$; loop do puts %q{x = "\"; puts "boo!";}; sleep 1.0 end'
<rking> strace itself is doing some work on this one.
<rking> Gives me \" for free.
<Spooner> I think you'd want to do: ruby -e 'p $$; loop do puts %q{"; puts 'boo!'; "}; sleep 1.0 end'
<rking> Tht fubar's the shell quotes
<Spooner> But it is late. I'll leave it to someone else to figure it out. Goodnight #ruby
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<rking> Dang. Provoke & duck.
<rking> I don't think it's breakable at this point.
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<swarley> is there a way to pipe text to an application like if you were to do "cat foo | bar"
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<bnagy> popen
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<shadoi> poopen
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<swarley> so
<swarley> i have no idea what is going on with this
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<swarley> [11] pry(main)> Table.new(db.execute "SELECT * FROM Actions", "Actions", db)
<swarley> SQLite3::RangeException: bind or column index out of range
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<swarley> that doesnt work however
<swarley> puts %[Struct.new(#{__meth}, #{(__db.table_info(__meth).collect {|x| x["name"] }).join(",")})]
<undyingrage> Hey how do you identify, is it nickserv whho dies it?
<undyingrage> does it*
<swarley> that, using direct returns from those methods
<swarley> works fne
<swarley> and that is all that Table.new calls
<swarley> undyingrage, /ns id <pass>
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<undyingrage> mmmm irssi says unknwon command?
<undyingrage> known*
<swarley> undyingrage, /quote ns id <pass>
<swarley> or /raw
<swarley> or you can do /msg
<swarley> err
<swarley> /msg NickServ
<undyingrage> mm currently unavailable
<undyingrage> hah
<undyingrage> maybe NickServ died
<swarley> weird
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<swarley> so yeah
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<swarley> also, db.execute "SELECT * FROM Actions" returns a value without error when at the top level
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<shadoi> Might be interesting to stick some debugging in the Database#execute method to see what it's passing in. Also, if it's using those names as variables it's possible having them capitalized makes them appear as constants instead of regular vars if they get eval'd for any reason
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<RubyPanther> undyingrage: It works better to use the nick/pw as a "server login" instead of via nickserv. Safer and gets you logged in before you join channels instead of right after
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<undyingrage> Agreed :( But I'm here now and I want to identify ><
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<swarley> I hate having to migrate from yaml to sqlite
<swarley> because i have to recode
<swarley> EVERYTHING
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<swarley> in retrospect, i should have made an interface like function so that this wouldnt be such an issue
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<anandhegde> how do i find the maximum integer in ruby? Integer.MAX ?
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<Hanmac> anandhegde there is no Integer.max method ... or fixnum.max or bignum.max ...
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<Hanmac> but there is Float::MAX
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<Hanmac> anandhegde i played with and got that: (Float::MAX.to_i ** 8_192).to_s.size #=> 2525223
<Hanmac> but this is my system ... your value maybe lower
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<amaya_> :)
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<Mon_Ouie> Integer does not have any boundaries — it can be as large as your memory allows
<Mon_Ouie> (Fixnums are usually as large as a (pointer size - 1-bit) integer)
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<shevy> hmm what is Float::MAX ?
<Mon_Ouie> The largest number a float can hold (except for Infinity, of course)
<shevy> cool
<fowl> >> Float::MAX + 1
<Mon_Ouie> You've lost so much precision at that point that Float::MAX + 1 is the same thing as Float::MAX
<shevy> hehe
<fowl> aha yea i see its e+308
<fowl> for me at least
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<shevy> Hanmac we need to think big
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<Hanmac> what topic?
<shevy> Hanmac not sure yet... something along the lines of ... "ruby must conquer the world"
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<Hanmac> i do ogre binding today again, i dont think that will help in conquer ... and i play with Rosegarden too (but for some reason i dont get it working with jack)
<shevy> it will help a bit
<shevy> the moment when there are games with ruby :)
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<shevy> there was a developer once who used ruby -> http://antargis.berlios.de/
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<shevy> but he didnt have enough time
<shevy> :(
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<Hanmac> yeah time is what we need ... i think we should steal them :P
<Hanmac> /me looks for an gray suit
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<shevy> time is a problem
<shevy> that's why ruby projects should have a much higher quality
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<shevy> better something smaller, but with great quality
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<seanstickle> Quality is defined by the customer.
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<shevy> hehe
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<shevy> I am trying to maintain the old ruby fpdf library
<shevy> it has an awful style
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<shevy> def FooBlaBar(l,m,n,o,p)
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<shevy> question about style
<shevy> who prefers:
<shevy> def foo(style = '')
<shevy> vs
<shevy> def foo(style='')
<Hanmac> hm the first maybe more readable
<shevy> Hanmac you use the first variant in your code?
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<shevy> yeah I prefer the first too... ruby fpdf uses the second style, there is literally never a ' ' ...
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<Hanmac> currently i use none of this two variants because i use the CApi :P
<seanstickle> I go with the latter
<seanstickle> def foo( style = '' ) is PHP like
<seanstickle> def foo(style='') is more Ruby like
<seanstickle> But that's aesthetic interpretation
<edward`> seanstickle sup stick
<seanstickle> Hey edward/banister
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<Hanmac> oh nooo banister was biten and is turned into a sparkle vampyre xD
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<workmad3> Hanmac: they aren't vampires
<workmad3> Hanmac: they're fairies that like rare meat
<Muz> I'm not sure what's more worrying, Hanmac knowing Twilight references, or me recognising them.
<workmad3> Muz: it's classic Sun Tzu
<workmad3> Muz: know your enemy
<workmad3> Hanmac: awesome :D
<seanstickle> Proper vampire
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<shevy> Muz hah I dont even know what is twilight.. ok I think it is something on TV but that's it
* Hanmac remembers the days where monsters had the courage to look like monsters ... todays they wearing briefcase and a suit
<Muz> It's that thing I once pretended to be interested in, in order to get into someone's pants.
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<workmad3> Hanmac: monsters have been wearing suits and carrying briefcases for as long as those items have existed
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<workmad3> Hanmac: they just make up more monstery monsters to throw us off the scent
<edward`> Muz you get into someone's pants..lol. You have V-Plates cellotaped to your chest
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<shevy> hey
<shevy> I just see this here:
<shevy> i=0
<shevy> j=0
<shevy>
<shevy> ugh, damn newline
<shevy> this is the same as:
<shevy> i = j = 0
<shevy> right ?
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<edward`> shevy jeez man, 4 years of ruby and u're still a total noob
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<edward`> :P
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<fowl> no shevy because then they refer to the same 0
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<Hanmac> fowl there is only one 0
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<fowl> Hanmac: shh im trolloping
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<Hanmac> shevy there would be a difference when you would use 0.0
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<shevy> why 0.0?
<shevy> indeed
<shevy> 0.0.object_id # => 70243683346860
<shevy> 0.0.object_id # => 70243683341820
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<shevy> who speaks korean here
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<bitsar> What's the best way to call a ruby function at a given time of day? Not sure if leaving a program running 24/7 is a good idea, maybe best off using my OS to time it instead?
<fowl> bitsar: crontab
<shevy> bitsar there is Daemons rubydaemons
<bitsar> thanks guys
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<shevy> Daemons.run('your_script_here.rb')
<shevy> ruby your_script_here.rb start
<shevy> (your_script_here.rb is now running in the background)
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<fowl> another good half-answer shevy :rolleyes:
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<shevy> fowl he'll use it
<shevy> he'll become a ruby master in no time
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<shevy> rubygems is odd, there must be like 50 bots downloading any new gem version
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<davidcelis> yes
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<Hanmac> no
<Hanmac> :P
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<shevy> Hanmac it's so odd, you publish a gem, within like one hour there are 60 who downloaded it, then the next more 60 downloads take like ... +5 days ...
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<Hanmac> its the same with new apple iphones :P
<shevy> hehe
<shevy> apple products are heavily fashion driven
<shevy> but they lack soul without jobs now
<Hanmac> its not so much better than the prev version but everyone want it
<m3pow> the new 5 is a decent upgrade imo
<banisterfiend`> shevy it's because when you publish a gem it's broadcast to people watching rubygems
<banisterfiend`> it's also broadcast on twitter
<banisterfiend`> so it makese sense to get an immediate download count when you first publish it
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<Hanmac> i mean the normal appleuser is so dump that he cant notice that he has a 4S in his hands and not a 5
<Hanmac> its even worse in the other hand he has his own 4S so he should notice that the phones are the same? wrong!
<Hanmac> appleusers can see changes where are none!
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<lxsameer> what was the ruby interpreter name ?
<fowl> he goes by kyle
<fowl> mail your scripts to him and he'll execute them eventually
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<rking> lxsameer: If you want an actual answer, other than the Kyle one, let us know.
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<rking> lxsameer: The interpreter is generally "ruby", though it typically lives in one of an ∞ number of places, so the best bangpath is #!/usr/bin/env ruby (which let's the user's $PATH determine which interpreter gets used)
<fowl> dont listen to rking he uses the old version of ruby, "marty"
<lxsameer> rking: sorry i meant interactive interpreter
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<rking> lxsameer: Like a REPL?
<rking> lxsameer: gem install pry-full && pry
<lxsameer> rking: REPL ?
<rking> Read Eval Print Loop. Like what you get if you run "python" or "coffee" by itself.
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<rking> lxsameer: Kick off that pry-full install, get a $beverage_of_choice, and when you come back you'll be ☺.
<Hanmac> lxsameer the default one is called irb
<lxsameer> rking: ok one more to go, is there anything like ipython in ruby
<rking> lxsameer: 1 min, let me see what ipython os
<rking> s/os/is
<lxsameer> Hanmac: thanks man
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<lxsameer> rking: ipython is awesome
<rking> lxsameer: Sounds like Pry.
<lxsameer> rking: thanks friend
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<rking> Yeah, I might go on a limb and say irb is to argless-python as pry is to ipythonn.
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<coody> morning
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<shevy> morning cooties
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<Dwarf> hai
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<shevy> hi Elf
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<shevy> test
<Gate> response
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<shevy> nothing happening today :(
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<Lokans> anyone that could help me, got problems with getting require to work
<Lokans> getting "cannot load such file", have tried to google, but still can't understand how to solve it
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<RegEchse> Lokans: well then there is no such file in your $LOAD_PATH's dirs
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<RegEchse> and to name a particular fail case: in ruby 1.9 the current directory (".") isn't added to $: by default. (there's require_relative, though)
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<clutchski> RegEchse: how come i see ruby libraries that work with 1.9 use "require" and it works just fine? e..g https://github.com/sstephenson/sprockets/blob/master/lib/sprockets.rb
<clutchski> doing the same thing in my own code fails (but require_relative works)
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<Gate> shevy: gogaruco is happening today :)
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<shevy> what is that?
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<shevy> Lokans what ruby version you use. if 1.9.x try require_relative
<shevy> clutchski, if they install into ruby SITEDIR then it works
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<shevy> if the project is named foobar, it usually follows this convention:
<shevy> lib/
<shevy> lib/foobar.rb
<shevy> lib/foobar/
<Lokans> sec ill try
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<Lokans> im like big beginner, so its probasbly not foobar
<Lokans> probably *
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<shevy> the second part was meant for clutchski
<shevy> you Lokans should just try require_relative 'bla.rb'
<shevy> and you can test in irb
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<Lokans> should the required ".rb"-file be saved in some special location ?
<shevy> my .rb files all work no matter where they are
<clutchski> shevy: got it. so essentially it works for gems, but otherwise no?
<Lokans> because mine i saved at desktop and called "methods.rb" , but i still get the load error
<shevy> clutchski, you can install things without gems too, via setup.rb
<shevy> I used this for many years
<shevy> if you put setup.rb into lib/
<shevy> so that it resides at lib/setup.rb
<shevy> you can then run it, and it will copy the project into the ruby SITEDIR
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<shevy> clutchski, gems follow the same directory convention though
<shevy> they just require a .gemspec file in addition
<shevy> Lokans, then you dont require that file properly
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<Lokans> hmm ill write in pm , what i get
<shevy> Lokans go to the directory. start irb. then do require_relative 'methods.rb'
<shevy> no please not
<shevy> PMs require of me extra clicks in xchat
<shevy> one to go to them, and another one to change back. #ruby is fine really
<Lokans> irb(main):006:0> require_relative "methods.rb"
<Lokans> LoadError: cannot infer basepath
<Lokans> from (irb):6
<Lokans> from C:/Ruby193/bin/irb:12:in `<main>'
<Lokans> from (irb):6:in `require_relative'
<shevy> ok you use windows
<Lokans> yes
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<shevy> hmm try
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<shevy> load 'methods.rb' load './methods.rb' require 'methods.rb' require './methods.rb'
<Lokans> sec
<shevy> aha
<shevy> "require_relative works relative to the file that it is called from. In the case of IRb, there is no file, ergo it cannot work."
<clutchski> shevy: thanks for the help. one more question … if i'm writing an app with multiple subdirectories, should i always use require_relative? so if i'm in foobar/models/a.rb, and need to load foobar/logging.rb, should i do `require_relative '../logging'`?
<shevy> Lokans, seems irb is stupid. if you do "ruby methods.rb" or some other .rb file, it should work
<shevy> clutchski, dunno. I never use require_relative myself
<shevy> I dont like it
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<clutchski> i feel like it's kind of nice to always import relative to the project root, and i'd rather not use require_relative.
<Lokans> alright, ill test it shevy, thanks
<shevy> I turn things into gem-like structure, then copy via setup.rb
<shevy> and require will just work :)
<clutchski> ok. i think i'll do that.
<clutchski> thanks.
<shevy> others use require_relative though
<shevy> I just cant stand it
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<clutchski> yea. it also means it won't work on 1.8, though you could probably monkey patch.
<clutchski> or is that true?
<shevy> yeah. my gems work on both ruby versions
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<shevy> Lokans, interesting. seems similar to your problem http://www.rodrigoalvesvieira.com/add-require-relative-to-irb/
<shevy> "For some reason I don?t yet know for sure, require_relative does not work on IRB:"
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<Lokans> ill read it
<Lokans> othervise ill just run *unix on my other laptop
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<shevy> hehehe
<shevy> unix is classically nice
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<shevy> I'd wish it would have something like powershell though
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<cesar_bo> Hello All, I have an error after install mailcatcher → http://pastebin.com/myyEgTpS I'm using rvm. It starts correctly but after a second it fails for what I think is due can't establish correctly a websocket connection
<cesar_bo> I'm really new in ruby, so I do not know much how interpret the stackerror, any hints?
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<shevy> in `event_callback': undefined method `close' for 19:Fixnum (NoMethodError)
<shevy> code tries to invoke method .close on the Fixnum 19
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<shevy> this method does not exist so things fail
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<shevy> don't know who is the real culprit of that
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<atmosx> hi
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<shevy> atmosx!
<shevy> atmosx how do you do
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<atmosx> good, I'm getting paranoid with a script, other than that… Pretty great. I fucked up the biophysics exam, fucking Goldman equation :-( couldn't remember it
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<atmosx> I was stuck with Nerst
<atmosx> :-/
<atmosx> anyway
<atmosx> next year now… I got really lots and lots of credits
<shevy> what script
<shevy> hey I heard about the nernst equation
<shevy> but not about Goldman
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<atmosx> well it's about a cell's permeability, actually Nerst made an equation about permeability but Goldman made a cell-specific one.. it's an optimized version of the prior
<atmosx> anyway fuck that
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<atmosx> I have Greek markdown files
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<atmosx> about 140 of them, in a directory. The files are like: 2007-12-01-ebcasdlk2j34dhdhaskd.markdown … but the contain a field like 'title: καλημέρα Ελλάδα' … I like to turn each file into 2007-12-01-καλημέρα-Ελλάδα.markdown
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<atmosx> I came up with this https://gist.github.com/3730260
<atmosx> but creates filed like: 2012-04-26- 'Γνωμικά.markdown
<shevy> ack
<atmosx> I don't like the ' and in the space
<atmosx> ack is the packet after syn? in a tcp handshake? :-P
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<shevy> why dont you gsub the ' ' away?
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<atmosx> how?
<shevy> how do you create the files?
<atmosx> I rename them
<atmosx> I grab the date, title and then rename them...
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<shevy> where
<atmosx> moving away the originals in order to keep an archive
<shevy> I dont see it in the code?
<atmosx> yes because it's commented out
<atmosx> I'm just printing them now
<atmosx> #FileUtils.cp old_name, old #note camel case for FileUtils
<atmosx> #File.rename(old_name, new_name.to_s)
<shevy> ok so you use File.rename
<atmosx> yes
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<shevy> well, if you have a variable that holds the file name
<shevy> like file_name
<shevy> you can run .gsub on it no?
<shevy> file_name.gsub!(/ /,'')
<shevy> or
<shevy> file_name.gsub!(/- /,'-')
<atmosx> hmm found something but still I need to remove the ' <-
<shevy> "2012-04-26- '".gsub(/'/,'').gsub(/ /,'') # => "2012-04-26-"
<atmosx> if I do split(' :') (note the space) has the same effect that attaches the dash to the word… so k
<shevy> you dont like .sub and .gsub? :)
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<shevy> I think there is also ... .delete()
<shevy> but I dont like it
<shevy> or was it .remove ... I cant remember it
<shevy> "hello".delete "lo" # => "he"
<atmosx> omg
<atmosx> hah
<atmosx> didnt knew
<shevy> .gsub is better though, you can be more flexible with the regex
<shevy> you can replace all findings of "- " with "-" with .gsub
<shevy> with .delete you can only get rid of it (or not)
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<rcsheets> or not? when would .delete not get rid of it?k
<rcsheets> s/k//
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<shevy> well it kills it
<shevy> .delete " "
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<shevy> or
<shevy> .delete "- "
<shevy> .gsub kind of preserves at least the '-'
<shevy> in that example
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<shevy> I remember .delete subtly confused me
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<rcsheets> well now it's confusing me too. :)
<shevy> so I started using only .gsub as a consequence
* rcsheets plays with it
<shevy> well, you can use .gsub just fine rather than .delete. my problem was, what I expected it to do
<shevy> "hello world".delete 'll' # => "heo word"
<shevy> I found it surprising
<rcsheets> ohhh
<shevy> "hello world".delete 'hello' # => " wrd"
<shevy> "hello world".gsub /hello/,'' # => " world"
<shevy> I dunno, I settled for .gsub :)
<rcsheets> i see what you mean. but the parameter to delete is basically used like a character class.
<rcsheets> so 'l' and 'll' and 'lllllllll' are all equivalent... i think.
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<shevy> yeah
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<atmosx> shevy: do you read books? like novels etc?
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<shevy> atmosx mostly only science books. I read only one fantasy novel author these days, Raymond Feist. started almost 20 years ago... but other than that... hmm... I read a few books about psychology too
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<atmosx> I've seen one in Milan
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<m3pow> a rat or a book ?
<atmosx> uhm zinc phosphide
<atmosx> I wonder what quantity is enough to poison a rat
<m3pow> i hate rozzers
<atmosx> m3pow: a rat twice the size of a cat.
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<atmosx> It had a tail almost 1m
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<m3pow> wow
<m3pow> never seen those before
<m3pow> still i saw one with a tail at about 30cm
<atmosx> it was pink, but awfully bolded pink… he was panicked because he didn't realize that he was uncovered suddenly.. then he dissapeared between ruins. I was on the subway
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<atmosx> m3pow: It was scary, i can still remember his teeths
<atmosx> he was enormous
<atmosx> and was moving very fast
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<m3pow> still they're good when earthquakes come
<m3pow> that's the only thing i can think of that they might be usefull
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<m3pow> we have an old saying here "everything has a purpose on this world"
<atmosx> They say they will release thousands of pythons… omg
<shevy> cool
<shevy> the rats in vienna are small :)
<atmosx> the guy who released the 7 rats must be utterly stupid
<m3pow> you're from AU shevy ?
<shevy> hehe
<shevy> from austria
<m3pow> yeah
<atmosx> Austria!
<m3pow> brilliant country
<m3pow> passed there several times
<m3pow> awsome highways
<atmosx> and mountains for snowboarding
<atmosx> not to mention the girls
<shevy> yeah... the ideal country to... PASS THROUGH :P
<m3pow> nope
<atmosx> true
<m3pow> it;s like germany, but perfect
<shevy> oh yeah, but that's the west with the mountains... the east is boringly flat
<m3pow> hahahah
<shevy> haha
<Gate> shevy: Golden Gate Ruby Conference
<shevy> ah it depends... Bavaria (southern germany) is quite nice
<atmosx> I liked Berlin
<atmosx> and Munich
<shevy> Berlin? really?
<atmosx> I mean they seemd a bit more vivid compared to vienna
<atmosx> yes
<shevy> Munich I can understand... but Berlin....... maaaaan
<atmosx> Nah c'mon it's awesome…
<atmosx> and huge
<atmosx> I mean the distanced between square blocks, etc.
<m3pow> i am a bit drunk atm ...went on a cousin's bday
<atmosx> m3pow: cool
<m3pow> but i wanna learn ranges in RUBY
<atmosx> ranges?
<atmosx> what are ranges?
<m3pow> yes
<m3pow> ..
<m3pow> a..c
<atmosx> it's been a few days that I didn't write code in ruby, I must keep up with my sinatra book till the end hm
<shevy> ranges are easy
<shevy> start..end
<m3pow> yes they are
<shevy> a..z
* atmosx is listening to Phill Collins - 15.In the air tonight, from the album Best of Phill Collins [5:30 mins] [320 kbps MPEG audio file] [12,94 MB] [played 15 times]
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<atmosx> 15 times
<shevy> but implement ranges on your own now that's hard
<atmosx> … shit didn't knew
<m3pow> shevy you are an experiences programmer in ruby ?
<m3pow> sorry my typos...as i said...a bit drunk
<m3pow> :)
<shevy> hmm semi-experienced... there are still some mysteries, like why some people use lots of procs
<m3pow> but keen to learn more programming
<shevy> I'd really like to find out
<shevy> rack uses it for testing
<shevy> there are like 120 examples of lambda {} there
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<m3pow> i'm a beginner i admit ...also a beginner in linux
<m3pow> still..i love to learn new stuff and understand concepts
<shevy> linux I dont care that much but ruby is really awesome
<m3pow> a bit more difficult on your own ...but the reward you get is substantial
<m3pow> i did php before
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<m3pow> but ruby is just ...logic
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<m3pow> i love it to be honest
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<atmosx> I'm a beginner to ruby, in linux I can do most thing easily… FreeBSD is more straight forward though and insanelly well documented
<shevy> ewwwww bsd
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<shevy> I think linux is the more creative OS these days
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<shevy> where did git originate from, where!
<shevy> where!!!
<shevy> that's right :)
<m3pow> keen to learn git too
<shevy> linus should stop with the kernel and instead kick-start only cool projects
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