<Arcaire>
why would they rewrite it just so it's in the same language?
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<Yzguy>
they wouldn't it would be dumb to at this point
<Yzguy>
but it would be cool if it were a single binary
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<Yzguy>
and not have it's own packaged ruby, etc.
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<agent_white>
Evenin' folks
<Yzguy>
Hello!
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<Yzguy>
any luck @anth0ny_
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<anth0ny_>
Yzguy: sorry, I should have reported back. upgrading Vagrant did the trick. thanks!
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<pontiki>
Yzguy: check out otto, it's also in go
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<Yzguy>
oh ya, otto. I forgot about that. I was at Hashiconf when they announced it
<pontiki>
looks like what they'll be replacing vagrant with
<Yzguy>
they announced some product this year, not sure what it was
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<zacts>
hello rubyists
<Yzguy>
you guys use anything for application performance monitoring?
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<phredus>
I have ongoing confusion about "bidist use flag" # These settings were set by the catalyst build script that automatically: USE="bindist mmx sse sse2". since original install I have had various issues and it was suggested at different times to go from bindist to -bindist to +bindist to No bidist at all, so I dont know if I should have it or not or?. Could someone shed some light on this subject please, thank you in advance
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<phredus>
Oops! sorry wrong channel, my apologies -------------------->
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<Yzguy>
I was gonna say haha
<Yzguy>
way over my head
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<pontiki>
projects i've been on basically use NewRelic and call it a day
<Yzguy>
+
<Yzguy>
+
<Yzguy>
err
<Yzguy>
+1 haha
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<pontiki>
there's one i used for checking sql requests in development, called Bullet
<pontiki>
it's not really performance checking, just checking for N+1 issues and the like
<Yzguy>
I have a subscription to new relic so I use that a lot
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<pontiki>
it's good to use
<pontiki>
i'm not sure it's something that actually helps in performance analysis
<pontiki>
it is a good thing to tell you "hey, this part is going rapidly pear-shaped"
<Yzguy>
I'm actually an SRE, so I do more infrastructure than development, so I don't know much about what to look for
<pontiki>
sorry, what's "SRE" ?
<Yzguy>
Site Reliability Engineer
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<pontiki>
you do reliability modeling?
<Yzguy>
no, just a lot of system administration, cloud stuff, automation, etc
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<modality12>
Hey, could anybody answer a sequel question for me? I asked on the sequel irc, but I think it may be a bit slow right now.
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<modality12>
I'm already feeling really dumb for asking, but how would I do something like (Object A) -- HAS MANY --> (Obj B) -- HAS MANY --> (Obj C), and get all of the object Cs that an Object A has? Like, what association helper? What options?
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<roa>
wwww..
<dsea>
compare them in a loop and return the shared values
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<modality12>
I mean, I can do object_a.object_bs.map(&:object_cs).flatten
<modality12>
But Isn't there some sort of query that can be generated for that using the helpers, rather than iterating in code/
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<dsea>
why would you do that instead of using a builting
<dsea>
*builtin
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<modality12>
Right, that's my question. There's a one_to_many I'm using for A to B and from B to C. But is there one I can put in A that'll leverage the chain of foreign keys?
<modality12>
In ActiveRecord it's just a single has_many cs, through: bs
<modality12>
^ That being in A
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<dsea>
I'm confused by the question if you have something that's already doing it why do you want to change the way your doing it
<dsea>
is performance a problem in the current way?
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<modality12>
No, I currently don't. Well, that flatten example would work, but it's doing work that the database is optimized for doing
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<dsea>
Why would you do it in code over doing it in the DB
<dsea>
or is that what you want
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<dsea>
code to query the db to do the work for you
<modality12>
Right, that's why I wanted to use the helpers; they generate effecient sql queries
<modality12>
I think I may have found something...
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<phredus>
I just started using chruby and ruby-install and things are good, I don't want to screw things up. What is the prefered method to install rails?
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<agent_white>
The method defined by your gem/ruby manager; do what chruby does.
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<errakeshpd>
I have one ruby script (paytm) <form action="enerate_checksum.rb">, ruby file is getting download when the form is submitted, what is the way to execute the script when form submit.
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<errakeshpd>
nginx
<pontiki>
you want to execute a standalone ruby script?
<pontiki>
you will need to treat it as a CGI script, i'd guess
<pontiki>
i haven't done anything like that in over decade
<pontiki>
read the nginx dox for how to execute a CGI script, that's all i got
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<errakeshpd>
ok Thank you.
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<ruby-lang268>
hi
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<blake>
what is generally preferred? JSON or YAML/?
<raldu>
JSON is supposed to be more widely used
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<dminuoso>
blake: It depends on what you want to use it for.
<dminuoso>
blake: If you want something human readable then don't use JSON.
<blake>
It's just for saving the state of my object as they are
<raldu>
yeah, YAML is perfect for configuration files, for example
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<dminuoso>
blake: You can even use plain ruby Marshal!
<dminuoso>
If you do not care about human readability or interoperability with say JavaScript.
<blake>
hmm I see
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<hipertracker>
Anybody knows how to disable strict ssl for rubygems under Windows 7? Node and npm can disable it in the config. Is anything similar for rubygems?
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<jokke>
hey
<jokke>
i'm trying to write a module method that dynamically defines methods on the caller
<jokke>
it defines them on the callee though.. :/
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<dminuoso>
hipertracker: Instead of disabling SSL, how about you tell us what your problem is so we can find a proper solution instead?
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jokke: Are you using binding_of_caller?
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<dminuoso>
Other than that I do not see a way you could do it.
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<dminuoso>
Unless you a) pass the object itself, or b) require a block argument to be passed.
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<hipertracker>
dminuoso: my corporate proxy has some issues with ssl. It looks like it captures all ssl traffic as a man in the middle. Anyway, ssl works badly. I have the latest Ruby installed but I can’t update or install any gem because it can't connect with rubygems server using https.
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<darix>
hipertracker: so fix the proxy or install the CA cert for the corporate proxy on your machine
<darix>
so that ruby can reach it
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<hipertracker>
darix: do I have to? I’d like to switch it off, like I did for Node.
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<hipertracker>
I have no access to the proxy settings. I have very limited access to even my PC box.
<darix>
and then you forget to switch it back on when you are elsewhere with your laptop and someone just MITM your stuff. :)
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<darix>
well you can switch your rubygems.org source to http
<darix>
but i wouldnt recommend it
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<adaedra>
`def method(sum, element)` for a method, `{|sum, element| ... }` for a block
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<adaedra>
sum+element is the code of the block
<pickandmix>
These are iterators?
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<adaedra>
These what?
<pickandmix>
I don't know, I'm reading up on "Implementing Iterators" and that line came up
<pickandmix>
made me so confused lol.
<adaedra>
You don't know about blocks?
<pickandmix>
hmm
<pickandmix>
maybe I might have missed something.
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<adaedra>
inject is a method that takes a block, which is a bit of code you pass to the method to be executed by it
<adaedra>
in your snippet, it is the part between {}
<pickandmix>
I see
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<adaedra>
inject will then call your block several times, setting each time `sum` and `element`
<pickandmix>
So iterators are basically methods that call a block?
<pickandmix>
wtf i'm talking
<pickandmix>
i mean
<pickandmix>
oh wait
<pickandmix>
yeah that's what i mean.
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<adaedra>
yes and no
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<dminuoso>
pickandmix: If you are familiar with SQL terminology, then consider inject to be an aggregation. It reduces a set to a single value, the block and arguments allow you to specify how.
<dminuoso>
pickandmix: #reduce is probably a better alias since it is a bit more clear on what it does.
<pickandmix>
dminuoso: #reduce?
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<gregf_>
pickandmix: its like recursively adding stuff(in this case numbers)
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<gregf_>
>> [*1..10).reduce(:+) # same as what you wrote
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<gregf_>
>> [*1..10].reduce(:+) # same as what you wrote
<dminuoso>
pickandmix: it "reduces" some enumerable collection to a single value. :)
<pickandmix>
Wait! I'm gonna read back on the Blocks & Iterators and then read what you guys said
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<pickandmix>
Hopefully it will all make sense by then.
<dminuoso>
Oh I think I jumped too far ahead.
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<dminuoso>
pickandmix: Enumerable#reduce is just an alias for Enumerable#inject. :)
<pickandmix>
Just wanna ask, is it a retarded to think that I can finish a 800 page Ruby book in 2 days?
<dminuoso>
pickandmix: You probably can and have learned nothing.
<pickandmix>
oh my
<pickandmix>
what should I do?
<gregf_>
pickandmix: def add arr, sum, &bl;if (arr.size > 0); sum = bl.call(sum,arr.shift); add(arr, sum, &bl);else; sum;end;end;add([*1..10], 0, &(proc { |s,v| s+ v })) # this is what it does. might overwhelm you at the start
<dminuoso>
Read it slowly, and experiment.
<pickandmix>
I don't wanna like read and forget
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<dminuoso>
pickandmix: Read it slowly, apply what you read, try things out.
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<pickandmix>
Should I like work on it with 'irb' on the side
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<dminuoso>
pickandmix: Ideally at the beginning get pry (or use irb if you really prefer) - so you can quickly test out things interatively.
<dminuoso>
!pry
<dminuoso>
?pry
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<pickandmix>
!pry
<pickandmix>
I use irb because it's a simple console. Normal times I would just vim and rb file.rb
<dminuoso>
pry is as simple but has way more things at its disposal.
<dminuoso>
If you just started, you might as well start with pry directly.
<pickandmix>
dminuoso: right.
<pickandmix>
I'll get to thaat right now
<pickandmix>
Thanks so much all of you. Really appreciate it.
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<bithon>
hello
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<A124>
Haha, anyways. One thing I noticed is that deflate inflate gives different output somehow.
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<A124>
I expect it to be encoding problem, but still.
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<adaedra>
Different compression settings?
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<A124>
Nah, UTF-8 input, ASCII-8 output
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<A124>
After forcing UTF-8 they are equal. So good on that. I am using dictionary for compression. Amazed it is not documented better. Not sure if it was in 1.8/1.9
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<Rauke>
it works, thanks all!
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<fraktalize>
Hello! I have some issues with installing a ruby gem on Debian. In the installation instructions I am told to run rails g spree:install, however when I run rails g I only get the Rails help message... Any ideas on what might be going on?
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<Papierkorb>
fraktalize: Try asking in #spree (or their non-IRC chat channel if they have one) or #RubyOnRails
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<fraktalize>
Thank you, Papierkorb
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<phredus>
Evening, I installed chruby and ruby-install, is it safe to delete the folders that were extracted from the tar.gz files? are they just for the installation or do they need to be kept for the apps to run correctly?
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<shevy>
I think it has installed into some other file path like your home dir
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<phredus>
shevy: thanks for responding, yes, it installs into /usr/local/share/ and the extracted files are on my ~/ I just want to make sure the directory/folder/files in home are not going to be needed in the future bere I delete them, I gues I could rename or move and test. Thank you
<phredus>
*before
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<phredus>
is this the right place for this question? should I post it at #RubyonRails?
<jhass>
phredus: install nodejs or add gem "therubyracer" to your Gemfile
<jhass>
it's tolerable but it's certainly #RubyOnRails territory already ;)
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<phredus>
pretty green here, other than using my os package manager is there something else to install nodejs? like gem install nodejs?
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<phredus>
actully the question should be is nodejs a gem?
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<phredus>
jhass: I am using chruby and ruby install and trying to keep my os out of the equation as much as possible
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<jhass>
nodejs is not a gem
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<phredus>
jhass: yes , "gem install nodejs" was to explain what I am looking for. Is there something in the ruby or ruby on rails realm for installing nodejs?
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<jhass>
no that I'm aware of
<jhass>
please pay attention to my initial answer, there's an "or"
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<phredus>
jhass: Yes I did see it, I will go with my package manage for nodeks, thank you
<phredus>
jhass: on the or the rubyracer is a gem correct?
<jhass>
yes
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<phredus>
if I install nodejs I wont have to deal with this issue in the future, if I use the rubyracer, will I have to install it everytime this issue comes up?
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<jhass>
you have to add it to each apps Gemfile
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<jhass>
whether you actually have to rebuilt it each time, depends a bit on your setup
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<phredus>
jhass: yeah, it sound like nodejs is a more of a permanent fix, and I hear nodejs mentioned a lot so it seems to me it is used often in the ruby and rails world, I dont think I am ready to tackle the set up neede to work with the "depens on your setup" yet, I think I will just use nodejs for now and if needed I can switch it later when I have a better understanding.
<phredus>
jhass: thank you for your help
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<lupine>
a lot of ruby people jumped ship to nodejs when they found ruby going too slow, or when it stopped being cool
<lupine>
i've never been a JS fan myself :/
<C0deMaver1ck>
Ruby is the new Perl
<C0deMaver1ck>
kappa
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<ytti>
i don't think so
<ytti>
that would be grand
<ytti>
but it looks like python is the new perl
<C0deMaver1ck>
I would agree with that
<ytti>
i dislike that, because i'd rather program in ruby
<ytti>
but when ever companies provide some API library to interface with their stuff
<ytti>
python tends to be first one out, and often only one
<shevy>
C0deMaver1ck it is better than perl!
<C0deMaver1ck>
I also agree with that
<shevy>
python is the big dog on top now
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<ytti>
oh yes, python is way better than perl
<ytti>
heck without ruby, i probably owuldn't even be smart enough to complain about this situation
<C0deMaver1ck>
yeah I started doing more compsci work for fun and had to move to python for personal projects
<C0deMaver1ck>
not a lot of scientific libs in Ruby
<ytti>
same in networking world
<ytti>
all python
<ytti>
and lot of die hard python fans who dislike ruby as toy language
<ytti>
who almost invariably write terrible imperative python
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<C0deMaver1ck>
the reason I learned Ruby instead of Python a few years ago was because 2.x vs 3.x, pip vs easy_install vs pypi
<C0deMaver1ck>
Ruby had 1.8.7 and gems
<C0deMaver1ck>
so much simpler
<ytti>
ruby made me lot better python programmer
<shevy>
python is the new BORG
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<ytti>
generally i feel like ruby has way poorer brand/image than python
<ytti>
python brad is far more professional
<ytti>
brand
<ytti>
i think part of that branding problem is rails, but without rails ruby might not even exist anymore
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<ytti>
but anyone who i've talked with, who knows both languages, considers ruby the better designed langauge
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<C0deMaver1ck>
strong meta programming, everything is an overloadable operator is awesome
<C0deMaver1ck>
have fun implementing something like that in Python without diving into the interpreter
<ytti>
python has tons of features whch seem hacky and taped-on
<ytti>
and has lot less pure OO model
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<C0deMaver1ck>
it'll all be over in 20 years anyway when every language can target Web Assembly /s
<ytti>
not to mention how poor the standard library is, writing rust seems sometimes faster
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<ytti>
because of things it has in standard for vectors, slices and iterators
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<ytti>
of course shouldn't hold standard library against the language itself
<ytti>
but it has direct affect on my productivity
<ytti>
effect
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<zacts>
hello rubyists
<baweaver>
ytti: Most of our ops code is Ruby, don't forget Chef is a thing.
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<ytti>
i don't like chef/puppet/ansible/salt in fundamental level
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<baweaver>
then what do you like?
<ytti>
i like fundamentally concept of static machines, no need to write complicated pieces of software to enforce soft compliency guarantees
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<baweaver>
how many servers do you have to deal with?
<ytti>
in practice, always new machine, never change running system
<ytti>
i don't work with server professionally, or even write code professionally
<baweaver>
because with AWS / other providers it tends to be new systems all around and Chef is used heavily for that
<ytti>
static machine is hard guarantee, with much less work
<baweaver>
as well as the others.
<baweaver>
you still have to write a provisioner
<ytti>
ok, fair enough
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<ytti>
i should have elaborated, i don't have problem with chef/puppet/ansible/salt for that use-case
<ytti>
only when you start mucking about with running system
<baweaver>
then it's a matter of managing various commonalities, dependencies, and other bits.
<baweaver>
that I would agree can be dangerous.
<baweaver>
but at the same time, the power to do so is not inherently bad.
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<baweaver>
especially when you need to test the dang things live and something is slightly off.
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<baweaver>
or there's an emergency fix needed
<baweaver>
or various other one offs that make me admittedly cringe
<baweaver>
then again that's hopefully what ChefSpec and ServerSpec are used for
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<baweaver>
at scale though this is a notoriously hard problem, and something I would never want to write myself if possible.
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<C0deMaver1ck>
have fun rebuilding your entire system from the ground up with your immutable running systems when things like heartbleed are made public
<C0deMaver1ck>
for me Chef/Ansible/Salt make that much more bearable
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<baweaver>
That's a non-issue when used as a provisioner.
<C0deMaver1ck>
it was mostly directed at ytti
<baweaver>
systems should be immutable whenever possible.