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phaul: hey i remember you linked me a 1.5 hr video yesterday about ruby object model or something on youtube
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bjpenn >
i had it on my reading list, but somehow its gone now... do you by chance have the URL again?
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nice! havenwood i didnt know we keep irc logs in the cloud now
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rokra >
adam12: still here?
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ule >
What are you guys using to document APIs in 2019?
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ule >
Apiary? Swagger?
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aecepoglu[m] >
README files for me
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violentE >
I'm trying to do this migration in rails where I have Articles and Users and I'm going to add a reference to users in articles, but I want to do something like: null: false, default: [First User in user's table]. Would I accomplish that by doing default: 1?
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violentE >
nvm got it worked out, the answer is yes
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liya >
for the fact that Class object is an Instance of Itself, since it's also a class from which all classes are created
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havenwood >
violentE: Just keep in mind that the first User in the Users table might not always be the id 1.
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liya >
does the Class Object simply references itself to stay consistent?
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havenwood >
&>> Class.superclass
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<
havenwood >
&>> Class.class
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liya >
or &>> Module.instance_of Class
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havenwood >
liya: The superclass of Class is Module. The superclass of Module is Object. The superclass of Object is BasicObject.
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liya >
yea i understand that
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havenwood >
liya: BasicObject is the end of the line. It has no superclass.
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havenwood >
&>> Module.instance_of? Class
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havenwood >
&>> Class.instance_of? Class
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liya >
what bother's me is that since a Class object is an instance of Itself
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liya >
does the implementation of ruby simply put it to refer itself
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liya >
or is it evaluated like how instance_of? evaluates for normal user created classes
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liya >
I assume it's the former one.. because Class object is not yet born when Module object is created, for example
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liya >
yet.. the Module object is an instance of Class object
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liya >
so I assume It's all predefined in the ruby implementation itself
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havenwood >
liya: If you want to check out the implementation details for CRuby, Chapter 5 of Ruby Under a Microscope goes into some good detail.
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liya >
thanks.. but I don't necessarily wanna know how it's implemented.. just the answer that It indeed is implemented would be fine..
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liya >
i guess i should take a looks to make sure if that's the case
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havenwood >
liya: Ruby objects are referred to by VALUE pointer that corresponds to an RObject structure, which in turn has RBasic structures. The RBasic structure has a class pointer, which points at an instance of a Ruby class.
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liya >
so the RBasic structure's class pointer can in fact point to the Class object huh
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havenwood >
"Like RObject, RClass has a VALUE pointer..."
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liya >
ill try to make something out of it
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havenwood >
_ikke_: At the user level, the class of Class is Class. Class itself is an Object, with the Class of Class.
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havenwood >
liya: ^
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liya >
yea i'm aware of that
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havenwood >
liya: That's all there is to it really at the user level. Ruby has a variety of methods to explore ancestry. It's also interesting at the implementation level. If you're interested in that, Ruby Under a Microscope is a good book.
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* liya
takes a note of that
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havenwood >
&>> Class.class.class.class.class.class
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havenwood, i kinda understand it now
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Class.class gave Class but that's not exactly correct
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it's more like Class.singleton_class.Class giving Class as the result
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but since singleton classes are hidden, it kinda internally resolves that way
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and all the singleton classes are classes of Class
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so it's all in the architecture, no need to go into the implementation details
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well, that still helps if we wanna know how those singleton classes derive from Class class
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