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<Sharcho>
When compiling Ruby (I'm using ruby-build) is there a way to avoid installing the extra gems (rake/bundler)?
<havenwood>
Sharcho: You can uninstall "Bundled Gems" but not "Default Gems": https://stdgems.org/
<havenwood>
Sharcho: Much of the stdlib is being extracted into Bundled Gems. Consider them part of the Ruby standard library, that happen to ship as gems so they can be independently updated.
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<Sharcho>
Bundler can't be uninstalled, except manually deleting it from the filesystem, is there a way not to install it in the first place?
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<havenwood>
Sharcho: Say more about why you're wanting this?
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<leitz>
firefox
* leitz
hates programs shifting focus.
<havenwood>
Sharcho: You'd have to remove it before compiling Ruby if you don't want to remove it after.
<havenwood>
Sharcho: There're no standard flags for disabling the stdlib.
<havenwood>
Sharcho: You could maintain a fork of Ruby without Bundler, but nobody has bothered to.
<havenwood>
(That I know of.)
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<havenwood>
Sharcho: I'm sure the channel can assist with details, if you'd like to undertake that project.
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<havenwood>
I'd have preferred bundler to be a default rather than bundled gem, but alas.
<havenwood>
Or a bit more ambitious undertaking would be to allow disabling any default or bundled gem at compile time.
<havenwood>
Sharcho: If you can say more about why you want to, it might help us come up with possible solutions.
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<Sharcho>
Mainly I'm trying to reduce the size of a docker image
<Sharcho>
havenwood: I'll be installing an upgraded bundler anyway during the build
<havenwood>
Sharcho: At then end, just: gem cleanup
<havenwood>
Sharcho: It's a good idea to gem update anyways, so for reducing the size you'll probably want to remove old versions of other gems as well.
<havenwood>
Sharcho: You might consider also omitting the documentation.
<dino82>
Hi all, got a ruby-ish question (fastlane related), is this the accurate place to ask? The error is around what appears to be an invalid/illegal character but I do not see that in the files being referenced
<havenwood>
dino82: Are you running into an unexpected encoding?
<havenwood>
dino82: Could you show us the offending string?
<havenwood>
dino82: Or share the whole file?
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<havenwood>
You could try to salvage some characters, but might end up with extra whitespace.
<dino82>
Apologies, I found the issue was that fastlane wasn't referencing the file correctly and the ENV var was blank, resulting in a bad value. Thanks though :)
<havenwood>
dino82: Aha!
<havenwood>
dino82: I like ENV#fetch over ENV#[] for that exact reason.
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<Synthead>
I'm working on a gem, and I was curious what your thoughts are about reading ENV for proxy support. Should libs read vars like http_proxy directly? Or perhaps accept a proxy keyword for an explicit proxy?
<Synthead>
Would it be code smell for a lib to use a proxy from the ENV?
<havenwood>
Synthead: It's a pretty common convention to have an environment variable fallback to an explicit option flag.
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<havenwood>
Synthead: Is the gem code shareable? Folk here might have insights.
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<Synthead>
havenwood: it's not, unfortunately
<Synthead>
havenwood: it seems like a good idea to have an explicit proxy option, yeah
<Synthead>
havenwood: but say a proxy wasn't specified; would you expect a lib in another project to read from the proxy env vars?
<Synthead>
or would that be unexpected behavior?
<havenwood>
I don't quite follow.
<havenwood>
How would another lib know about your env var convention?
<Synthead>
should the underlying libs respect the proxy env?
<havenwood>
Synthead: By convention, exported (environment) variables should be SCREAMING_SNAKE_CASE.
<havenwood>
Synthead: export HTTP_PROXY="..."
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<Synthead>
havenwood: hahaha, haven't heard that one before
<Synthead>
and yeah, I agree, but http_proxy and https_proxy seems to be an exception (although the screaming variant is respected often, too)
<havenwood>
Synthead: yeah, I've seen that too ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<Synthead>
but assuming HTTP_PROXY is exported, would you say the libs reading this var and using a proxy would be code smell?
<havenwood>
I think folk introduce lowercase from time to time, and it usually gets argued into convention.
<havenwood>
A typical `env` through will have all uppercase, since most folk follow the convention.
<Synthead>
hmmmm
<Synthead>
I can see strong reasons to go either way, and I'm starting to side by your opinion :D
<Synthead>
especially since some libs I'm using respects the env and uses proxies
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<havenwood>
Synthead: I'd want an ability to override an environment variable, especially a non-namespaced one that might need to be set for another program.
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<yann-kaelig>
well, so if I understand we have three ways to install a rubygem. Two if I want ot rebuild the gem, one way by calling rake, the second by calling gem. Third way is a binary installation without compilation
<havenwood>
yann-kaelig: You typically install a RubyGem using the `gem install` command. If you'd like to install a gem from a local repo, the standard way is to `gem build` then `gem install`. With Bundler and Rake, there's a common convention that combines those steps into `rake install`.
<havenwood>
yann-kaelig: The latter requires a Rakefile.
<havenwood>
yann-kaelig: I don't consider Rake part of installing a gem.
<havenwood>
yann-kaelig: You can automate the process with Rake, if you'd like.
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<havenwood>
That said, I do add a Rakefile for developer convenience.
<havenwood>
yann-kaelig: If you want to be able to `rake install` you can create a Rakefile with the contents: require 'bundler/gem_tasks'
<havenwood>
yann-kaelig: That doesn't work by default.
<havenwood>
yann-kaelig: The thing that *just works* that you're meant to do is: gem build
<havenwood>
yann-kaelig: You can do whatever you want, with whatever tool, to automate that.
<havenwood>
yann-kaelig: Try adding a Rakefile that requires bundler-gem_tasks and check: rake -T
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<Intelo>
Hi
<havenwood>
Intelo: hi
<Intelo>
I am using redmine and the page says The Phusion Passenger application server encountered an error . I checked apache logs and it says Error details saved to: /tmp/passenger-error-sxxmIc.html . Message from application: Bundler could not find compatible versions for gem "bundler": In Gemfile: rails (~> 4.2.8) was resolved to 4.2.10, which depends on bundler (< 2.0, >= 1.3.0). Current Bundler version: bundler (2.0.2)
<Intelo>
This Gemfile requires a different version of Bundler. Perhaps you need to update Bundler by running `gem install bundler`? But I already did gem install bundlre and it was working fine 2 days ago
<havenwood>
Intelo: Does it work if you: bundle _1.17.3_
<yann-kaelig>
havenwood: Yes in all my research, I see that gem build {gemname}.gemspec is the most used with gem install. On the other side I found on my distro package source, from ruby-sqlite , the use of Rake for the building, like that > rake compile then rake gem.
<havenwood>
Intelo: It just looks like you've installed a newer version of Bundler than your Gemfile supports. The fact it's running into an issue suggests the code is being run outside the context of the bundle, without a prefix of `bundle exec`.
<yann-kaelig>
that a default task will be used if invoking rake without any option, but in our ruby-sqlite source we have 3 rake files. SO, rake is looking one by one inside the *.rake files until he find the task compile and next the task gem ?
<Intelo>
havenwood, what?
<havenwood>
bundle _1.17.3_ -v #=> Bundler version 1.17.3
<havenwood>
bundle -v #=> Bundler version 2.0.2
<havenwood>
Intelo: ^
<Intelo>
havenwood, ok but should I just paste these?
<havenwood>
Intelo: Bundle in the app directory and prefix your server commands with `bundle exec`.
<Intelo>
this will be temporary until the server is restarted?
<havenwood>
I've never run RedMine, ever. Maybe there's a RedMine forum? I know Rails, but not RedMine.
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<Intelo>
hm
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<baweaver>
What a what now?
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<Intelo>
havenwood, fixed after ubuntu upgrade
<havenwood>
Intelo: 👍🏽
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<Intelo>
thx. howdid you made that sign?
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<havenwood>
Intelo: It's a UTF-8 multi-codepoint emoji?
<havenwood>
Didn't mean to add the ?
<havenwood>
&>> '👍🏽'.bytes
<rubydoc>
stderr: /home/carcin/carcin/sandboxes/ruby/sandboxed_ruby2.6.0: error while loading shared libraries:... check link for more (https://carc.in/#/r/7eyw)
<rubydoc>
stderr: /home/carcin/carcin/sandboxes/ruby/sandboxed_ruby2.6.0: error while loading shared libraries:... check link for more (https://carc.in/#/r/7ez1)
<havenwood>
#
<havenwood>
#=> [128077, 127997]
<havenwood>
'👍🏽'.grapheme_clusters
<havenwood>
#=> ["👍🏽"]
<havenwood>
128077.chr('UTF-8')
<havenwood>
#=> "👍"
<havenwood>
127997.chr('UTF-8')
<havenwood>
Sending the other emoji crashes my IRC >.>
<havenwood>
Try `127997.chr('UTF-8')` in your browser.
<havenwood>
Multiple emoji can be combined to form a multi-codepoint emoji.
<havenwood>
Those are called grapheme clusters.
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<Intelo>
hm
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<ebbflowgo>
does anyone know of a gem that will provide the season start date based on location / region?
<ebbflowgo>
ex. fall 2019
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<yann-kaelig>
thx, cu
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<havenwood>
ebbflowgo: What should "fall 2019" return?
<havenwood>
ebbflowgo: Would it be?: require 'date'; Date.new(2019, 9, 1)
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