<cliles>
is there a default "global" config file that rubygems will use for it's sources list?
<cliles>
I need to set it for all users on a host to use an internal mirror instead of defaulting to rubygems.org
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<thejamespinto>
drbrain qrush: hey guys, can I ask you a couple of things about rubygems.org ? I've been programming exclusively with in Ruby for the past 6 years and I wanted to develop an open source project that connected to Rubygems, I see there are some limitations for that, could I speak to anyone to see if such changes to rubygems.org would be welcome or if they would possibly ultimately be damaging to the projec
<thejamespinto>
t?
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<drbrain>
thejamespinto: do you have anything more concrete?
<thejamespinto>
drbrain: hey, thanks for answering
<thejamespinto>
I see less than a year ago doorkeeper was added to rubygems.org
<thejamespinto>
but a bit later it was limitted to admins
<thejamespinto>
do you guys have any plans to release a "Sign In with Rubygems" button?
<drbrain>
I don't think I've heard that discussed
<thejamespinto>
let me fetch the commits real quick
<thejamespinto>
BTW, Jesus! that's a lot of gems :D
<drbrain>
someone else could allow oauth through rubygems.org for other purposes that mean attacking rubygems.org has a higher payoff than attacking the origin site
<thejamespinto>
I don't want write access to your gems
<drbrain>
yeah
<thejamespinto>
I just want to know "are you truly rubygems.org/drbrain"
<thejamespinto>
I'll give you a small example
<thejamespinto>
say I own ruby-toolbox
<thejamespinto>
ruby-toolbox allows people to categorize their own gems
<thejamespinto>
but we can't know for a certain who is the owner of the gem
<drbrain>
yeah
<thejamespinto>
if I want to know, I'd have to register you and confirm your email
<thejamespinto>
that's one work around
<drbrain>
yeah
<thejamespinto>
but still....
<thejamespinto>
it makes me sad I can't be "ruby-toolbox", the coolest app on rubygems
<thejamespinto>
talking about the Adoption Center project now
<thejamespinto>
how would people even know about this project?
<thejamespinto>
if there wasn't a little sidebar with the most used (or most trending) rubygems apps?
<drbrain>
I understand what you want and why you want it, but I don't have influence of that area of rubygems.org
<thejamespinto>
great, thank you
<thejamespinto>
so
<thejamespinto>
would you say doing this is still safe for rubygems?
<drbrain>
I think there's a way it can be done safely through rubygems.org, but I can't commit other people to supporting it, whatever way that is
<drbrain>
There's probably a way the RubyGems Adoption Center can be promoted, for sure
<thejamespinto>
well of course
<thejamespinto>
it was proposed by people inside rubygems
<thejamespinto>
but don't you think the "DNA exchange" of allowing new ideas would be of good use?
<thejamespinto>
I mean
<thejamespinto>
When I started with Ruby, it took me some 2 years to learn about ruby-toolbox
<thejamespinto>
and I believe there are other projects out there right now "dying out" because they can't get attention
<drbrain>
sure, but if I'm relying on someone else's labor to promote my project I should be compensating them somehow
<drbrain>
so
<drbrain>
it's
<drbrain>
difficult to have a proper marketing effort if the maintainers aren't involved and providing most of that labor
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<drbrain>
(sorry, still getting used to this keyboard with space and return next to each other)
<thejamespinto>
are we talking about financially supporting rubygems?
<drbrain>
not exactly
<thejamespinto>
are we saying "who would possibly take the time to turn rubygems.org into a beautiful oauth provider?"?
<drbrain>
if gem X solves a problem better than any other gem solves that problem but nobody knows about it it's useless
<drbrain>
but how do you get the word out about it without someone doing the work of marketing it?
<drbrain>
I may have misread your point on "I believe there are other projects out there right now "dying out" because they can't get attention"
<thejamespinto>
oh, you are talking about that
<thejamespinto>
ok, now your reasoning makes sense
<thejamespinto>
I wasn't talking about gems
<thejamespinto>
I was talking about websites that help ruby developres
<thejamespinto>
developers
<drbrain>
ah
<thejamespinto>
my point does intertwine with the Adoption Center idea
<thejamespinto>
but again, it was theorized by somebody internal to RubyGems
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<drbrain>
yeah, but given my huge list of gems, I'm aware of the burden of adding features to a project when there isn't enough interest to keep them maintained
<drbrain>
it's a tricky thing
<thejamespinto>
I have been doing open source for only 4 years, so first of all I must bow to what you yourself represent for the ruby community
<thejamespinto>
to* the ruby community (sry, English)
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<drbrain>
In short, I don't think it's ever as simple as "please add X to your project because it will make it easier for me to Y"
<drbrain>
unless the maintenance burden of X and the improved ability to Y are calculated and weighed against each other
<thejamespinto>
yes, given there is a conversation
<drbrain>
it makes me avoid saying "yes, (whatever) a good idea" offhand
<drbrain>
+is
<thejamespinto>
as a matter of fact I just got minitest-reporters to make a tiny change to one of their classes
<thejamespinto>
could you please please check something for me?
<thejamespinto>
how many doorkeeper apps does rubygems have?
<thejamespinto>
actually I think you don't have access, is Nick around?
<thejamespinto>
I have an appointment soon :(
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<thejamespinto>
drbrain: to make my point clear.. why did I come here in the first place
<thejamespinto>
I noticed doorkeeper was added but then limited to admins
<thejamespinto>
so I wondered why
<thejamespinto>
theory #1 - they thought it would be a good idea but then changed their mind because there was nobody to help
<thejamespinto>
theory #2 - they specifically do not want rubygems to be an oauth provider
<thejamespinto>
because if that's helpings hands you are needing, I may as well help :)
<drbrain>
I don't have access, sorry
<drbrain>
yeah, I understand and think what you want is a great idea,
<drbrain>
but I don't want to imply that I'm giving official support because I don't work on that part of rubygems
<thejamespinto>
I see I see
<thejamespinto>
I understand you are not endorsing me
<thejamespinto>
but again
<thejamespinto>
you understand the problems better than I do
<thejamespinto>
do you think it would open rubygems to safety problems?
<drbrain>
I'm unsure, it is a potential risk, though
<thejamespinto>
I got the feeling you thought it would
<jhass>
a safer vector might be something like sign in with github on rubygems.org and publishing the that way authenticated github username on rubygems.org
<jhass>
then applications can themself authenticate to github and cross check the username
<jhass>
or ideally a service built for connecting identities, like keybase
<jhass>
though that'd require integration work from their side too most likely
<thejamespinto>
indeed
<thejamespinto>
but you know
<thejamespinto>
Sign In with rubygems would make rubygems a lot cooler
<thejamespinto>
but I admit
<thejamespinto>
the featureset is a lot smaller
<thejamespinto>
jhass: +1
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