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<buhrmi> anyone can help on the 500 response on horizon above?
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<sacarlson> does that account already exist?
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<sacarlson> @buhrmi:
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<buhrmi> yeah it's when i try to send you currency to your acocunt
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<sacarlson> also I note the quantity is high. where did the native come from?
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<sacarlson> they only give you 1000
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<buhrmi> friendbot
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<buhrmi> currency is denoted in millionth afaik
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<sacarlson> ok
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<sacarlson> I'll look up the account and see if it's active
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<sacarlson> and check it's ballance
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<sacarlson> your account GDXXC.... looks good
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<buhrmi> both accounts seem okay
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<sacarlson> yup they both check out. I could verify your seed
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<sacarlson> what command line or other are you using to run it?
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<sacarlson> what platform?
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<buhrmi> why does that matter ... it's node on ubuntu
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<sacarlson> for resons I don't know they use mocha
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<sacarlson> like I said I'm not a java guy but I touched it one time a bit to decode some errors
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<buhrmi> mocha is test/mockup lib, how is that relevant here
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<buhrmi> it's javascript, not java
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<buhrmi> ah, i se
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<buhrmi> gonna set up horizon locally to debug
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<buhrmi> derp derp
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<sacarlson> maybe a terminology error on my part
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<sacarlson> yes I think fredolafritte had a working horizon running on his due to the problems he had on stellars horizon
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<buhrmi> open-core !! :)
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<sacarlson> ??
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<buhrmi> ... ah, just going back to my idea
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<sacarlson> oh ya
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<sacarlson> best get this one running to some point before you branch
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<sacarlson> some base to start from
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<buhrmi> yeah, well, the SDF is working on that, right? ^_^
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<buhrmi> they got the funding LOL
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<sacarlson> I guess not enuf
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<buhrmi> *cuts more trees*, *makes more paper*, *prints more money*
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<sacarlson> but with stellar anyone can print money just become a gateway and create an asset
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<buhrmi> yeah but only if u have native currency
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<sacarlson> only a little to transact it, I can print 100B CHP and only spend 4 cents doing it
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<buhrmi> "a little" is still more than "nothing"
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<buhrmi> or "free"
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<sacarlson> well I do for nothing on testnet so that my cheap poker players don't have to pay even 4 cents
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<sacarlson> but I still print 100B CHP or mayby only 10 CHP and make them rare and valuable
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<buhrmi> on open-core, poker would look different
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<buhrmi> your players wouldn't need to get chips, they could just put in their own assets
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<sacarlson> well how would you keep score if anyone could print assets?
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<buhrmi> well, they keep score by themselves
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<sacarlson> you would need to base the asset on something to keep track of who was winning or loosing
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<buhrmi> why? traditional currency isn't based on anything either
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<buhrmi> i mean, it was in the past
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<buhrmi> but these days...
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<sacarlson> keep score themselves? that's what they do now already. I'm trying to add permanent score keeping
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<sacarlson> today your right they just print money but they still have to control it's distribution to give it some value
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<buhrmi> exactly ... on open-core, everybody can make their own assets and control the distribution
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<buhrmi> like stellar is controlling distribution of STR
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<sacarlson> best chat about this in #general but not that I care, just so the dev's can glance and see related events better I guess
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<buhrmi> yeah, well ... maybe get horizon running first ^^
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<sacarlson> :+1:
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<dzham> “Lost all you money playing poker? Don’t worry, with the press of a button you’re a billionaire again” — Open-core, We create more billionaires than Robert Mugabe
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<sacarlson> ha ha
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<buhrmi> hehe
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<buhrmi> Well, you could make yourself a billionaire easily, it's just that nobody would care about your currency
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<buhrmi> I'm a trillionaire in buhrmi-coin
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<buhrmi> it's just that nobody gives a fuck
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<sacarlson> edit that f** or eva will jump on you
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<sacarlson> yes the secret is some how make people think it's worth something. I first tried to create beertokens 4 years ago with multicoin
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<sacarlson> but to me it's just a game score keeper
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<sacarlson> even in reality that much of what it is. how can anyone spend 1 Billion dollars in a single life time
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<dzham> Oh man, the stuff we’re going to be able to do with tokens/assets..
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<dzham> For personal spending, it’d be bloody hard, but put it into a venture of some kind, and watch them dwindle away :)
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<buhrmi> haha
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<sacarlson> is that what you've been doing with all your money dzham?
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<buhrmi> "[21:23:44] sacarlson just traded 34 dzham-beer-coin for 22 buhrmi-massage-hours with tiny_love_XX"
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<sacarlson> what is that?
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<buhrmi> an example of an open-core transaction ^^
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<dzham> Well, I put all my money into the Toronto Venture Exchange, so yeah :)
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<sacarlson> oh is that your new user interface?
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<buhrmi> @sacarlson: it doesn't exit yet, i justed typed that... but yeah i want it to be part of the user interface
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<sacarlson> it should be you just shake your phone 3 times and the other guy shakes his phone 3 times, you speak the quantity into the mike and you say confirm. it's sent
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<dzham> I’d like to point out that tiny_love_XX didn’t do her KYC, so that tx would fail.. At dzham-berr-coin we have standards
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<buhrmi> hahaha
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<buhrmi> what's KYC
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<dzham> know-your-customer? giving up your passport info and address, so big brother can keep you in check
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<buhrmi> ah
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<dzham> In this case, you wouldn’t want minors to drink beer.
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<sacarlson> it was ruby but I just saw them say they had go working, I'm not sure what they have now running on it
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<sacarlson> I just took a look at the api and don't see any way to determine what is running on horizon. I think a good thing to add would be an api feature to determine what version of horizon is running and what steller-core version it is controling
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<sacarlson> as it seems you need to sync what versions of other parts to work with different stellar-core and horizon
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<matschaffer> @buhrmi: it's both. Go proxies to ruby to keep all the endpoints available while they're ported over
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<matschaffer> 01122be3aa2cf50 for ruby and 15a824394 for go is what's currently deployed to testnet (at least according to dpkg)
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<sacarlson> oh then I guess you would want in the api to see the commit of all three parts in this case
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<matschaffer> go-horizon should probably surface the version from ruby as well yeah
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<matschaffer> it'd make constructing that answer I just gave easier too. As it is now I need to trace back through the build number in the internal jenkins
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<sacarlson> and what about the commit of the steller-core it's running now?
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<jed> it is against master
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<sacarlson> if that was the case it was last updated yestarday and is at 8a1bc71cc2de7064502d53ed94df530ba2860b37 for stellar-core
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<matschaffer> b179493 is what's reported from /peers
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<sacarlson> ok
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<buhrmi> so if want to debug and find out why i'm getting a 500 i would have to set up both go-horizon and ruby-horizon
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<sacarlson> I guess to get a full simulation you would but you could just start with ruby-horizon that has everything I think and if that worked you could add g-horizon
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<buhrmi> right
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<sacarlson> and now you have the numbers for all the parts
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<matschaffer> buhrmi: if you wanna try now I could see if there's anything in the logs for you
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<buhrmi> k trying now
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<buhrmi> 500
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<matschaffer> from the ruby logs at 2015-08-21 04:43:27 +0000 ``` XDR::EnumValueError (Unknown Stellar::CryptoKeyType member: -749914925): app/models/transaction_submission.rb:101:in `parsed_envelope' app/models/transaction_submission.rb:86:in `malformed?' app/models/transaction_submission.rb:47:in `process' lib/instrumentation.rb:62:in `block (2 levels) in create_instrumented_method' lib/instrumentation.rb
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<matschaffer> sorta sounds like the XDR structure in your transaction is wrong, but would have to spelunk the code to be sure
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<matschaffer> perhaps there's been an XDR change that the js lib has but the deployed version doesn't
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<sacarlson> like wrong base code?
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<buhrmi> @matschaffer: that's probably it ... i just build the jslib from scratch locally
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<matschaffer> not entirely sure if the JS stuff tries to speak XDR or not
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<matschaffer> another possibility is that there's an XDR mismatch between the testnet horizon & stellar-core. Definitely have been that happen
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<buhrmi> k ... will go back to my actual work while this is sorted out ^^
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<buhrmi> sorted out, as in: it becomes possible to send a transaction to testnet with the current jslib
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<matschaffer> pretty late in SF, so might be awhile ;)
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<buhrmi> haha
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<buhrmi> the federation should have a tokyo office :P
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<sacarlson> they have the Thailand Office >>me<<
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<sacarlson> not really
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<buhrmi> lol
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<buhrmi> hey @matschaffer let's set up an office :)
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<matschaffer> :)
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<matschaffer> I have one. But it's in my house
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<buhrmi> gifu is far from here lol
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<matschaffer> I actually like the gifu->tokyo run on the nozomi. A little pricey but a nice ride
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<buhrmi> how long does it take
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<buhrmi> google suggests the 東海道山陽新幹線
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<matschaffer> door to door is like 2 hours I'd say
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<matschaffer> depends on where in tokyo
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<matschaffer> 134 Minutes according to hyperdia
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<matschaffer> that's from my local station to shinagawa
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<matschaffer> we actually did a road trip to tokyo a few weeks back. Drove through nagano and yamanashi. Really beautiful drive
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<buhrmi> sweet... don't get out of tokyo very often
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<matschaffer> one of the service areas on the way had a hot spring. So awesome
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<buhrmi> natural hot spring?
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<matschaffer> try it some time, lots of great stuff out there. We'll be headed to yamanashi again in october
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<matschaffer> yep
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<buhrmi> never been to a natural one
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<buhrmi> or maybe without knowing it
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<buhrmi> forgot the name of the place tho
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<matschaffer> if it said 温泉 it's at least gonna be water from a hotspring
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<matschaffer> sometimes it's piped/trucked in though
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<matschaffer> if the city/area has 温泉 in the name then it'd be local
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<buhrmi> ah yeah, so then yes
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<buhrmi> cool :)
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<matschaffer> 銭湯 (sentou) would be just a regular bath house
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<buhrmi> he
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<buhrmi> some real stellar japanese lessons in here now :)
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<matschaffer> :)
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<matschaffer> btw, you know about the hackernews meetup in tokyo? You might wanna check it out if you're anywhere near roppongi hills
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<matschaffer> there's one on wednesday, was gonna go but I think we're gonna do a Takayama jaunt instead
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<buhrmi> yeah maybe it's worthwhile to go
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<matschaffer> oh whoops, got my days mixed up
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<matschaffer> maybe I will go then ;)
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<matschaffer> ah, nm yeah it was something else on that day
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<matschaffer> must be friday, my brain's checked out
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<buhrmi> just signed up
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<matschaffer> look for Jason Winder or Keith Perhac if you end up going. Good dudes
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<buhrmi> mkay
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<sacarlson> oh @buhrmi looks like you won't have to recompile to create your free-core after all as in present config DESIRED_BASE_FEE=10 and DESIRED_BASE_RESERVE=10000000 already exsist
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<sacarlson> just set them to zero
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<fredolafritte> @buhrmi the 500 received is certainly due to the change of encoding from hex to base64. The problem is solved on my fork https://github.com/FredericHeem/js-stellar-base
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<sacarlson> fredolafritte: maybe let him point his code at your horizon to verfity
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<sacarlson> verify
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<sacarlson> oh is that the code that runs on the client side then?
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<buhrmi> @sacarlson: sounds like a good idea
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<sacarlson> oh no it's on your side buhrmi you will have to use fredolafritte branch of js-stellar-base that is used inside js-stellar-lib that you run
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<sacarlson> someday we will have a matrix of what all works together
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<buhrmi> i mean setting the config to zero is a good idea
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<sacarlson> oh IC, I also note you can already set so that it would be free untill you hit max number of transactions per ledger default of 500
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<sacarlson> so you might slow spam down when real party want to transact at a fee
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<sacarlson> even looking at ripple ledger I normaly only see 1 to 5 transactions per ledger
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<buhrmi> yeah i don't really care about spam
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<sacarlson> I'm not sure you were around in the days of bitcoin when it would take hours to do a transaction due to spam
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<sacarlson> my poker relies on realtime transactions
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<buhrmi> i don't really care about your poker either, lol
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<buhrmi> sorry XD
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<sacarlson> ha ha ok
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<sacarlson> but when I have a $100 pot hand I'll pay the .00001 cent to be sure to collect
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<buhrmi> what if its not $100 but 100 sausage-coin?
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<sacarlson> as long as I can get real sausages with them I would
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<buhrmi> owning 100 buhrmi-sausage-coin .. means you get 100 real-life sausages from me
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<sacarlson> ok I'll save them and bring my whole famaly to collect them
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<buhrmi> k XD
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<sacarlson> does that include shipping fee's?
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<sacarlson> where is the local gateway?
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<buhrmi> no. you have to acquire 3 DHL-shipping-coins for that
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<sacarlson> ok got it
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<buhrmi> everybody is the gateway
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<sacarlson> how many STR do I have to trade to buy one buhrmi-sausage-coin?
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<buhrmi> i don't know ^^
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<sacarlson> well what currency do you trade or have trustlines on then?
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<buhrmi> anything
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<sacarlson> I have lots of CHP
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<buhrmi> you can submit an offer for have: CHP, want: sausage-coin
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<sacarlson> I can do when you publish the issuer of your sausage-coin I can post an offer
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<buhrmi> haha
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<buhrmi> let's
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<sacarlson> yes it would be good practice
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<sacarlson> remind you your asset name must be eather 3-4 leters or up to 12 letters long
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<sacarlson> I think sausage-coin fits that
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<buhrmi> mhh that seems a bit limiting tho
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<sacarlson> well that's the international standard for asset names
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<sacarlson> but you can always make a branch that allows 200 leter names
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<sacarlson> to me 3 letters is easier to remember
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<sacarlson> SSG
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<buhrmi> hmm
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<sacarlson> but I do like BEER
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<sacarlson> as a currency name
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<sacarlson> I'll issure some of those also
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<buhrmi> cool i'll issue some sausage and then we can trade
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<sacarlson> :+1:
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<sacarlson> but COLDBEER will have more value than just plain BEER
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<buhrmi> we don't know that for sure
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<sacarlson> only the market will tell
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<buhrmi> yes xD
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<sacarlson> I verified that the base changes haven't been added to the stellar js-stellar-base, only changes noted were readme changes after july 24th, fredolafritte branch I see has already had implemented the base64 changes since Aug 1st plus a few more
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<buhrmi> cool, is fredo branch running somewhere?
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<sacarlson> you would be the one that runs it, it's a sub of js-stellar-lib
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<buhrmi> ah, i thought horizon
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<sacarlson> no I checked horizon as far as I can tell the base is already changed in that commit
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<buhrmi> so at this point in time, the interoperability of the projects hosted on stellar isn't even stable -.-
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<sacarlson> no not all branches that stellar has released are stable. they make changes in one part the breaks things in another
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<buhrmi> is there a roadmap or timeline for when they are stable, at least concerning the interoperability of the respective master branches
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<sacarlson> no nothing exact
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<buhrmi> for example, that jsstellarlib master will always work with horizon master
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<sacarlson> but I think this js-stellar-base might be the last part needed to have this branch presently working
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<sacarlson> or maybe a stable branch that at least we know that if on stable on all parts then it should work
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<sacarlson> so that you can work back to that point to know where something is broken
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<buhrmi> well... "usually" the master branch is the release/"stable" branch and development happens on other branches
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<sacarlson> I can collect all the parts when we have a working set and make a lable on each to mark it as stable at some point
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<sacarlson> well that's news to me, I normaly just have one branch of master. but I normaly work alone on projects so it almost always works ha ha
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<buhrmi> "usually" according to the git-flow workflow ^^
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<sacarlson> sounds good to me
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<sacarlson> but at this point they have never really released it's all been in dev mode
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<sacarlson> oh other than in the legacy version I guess
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<sacarlson> they are working from the bottom up but have started parts at the top before the bottom was completed
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<buhrmi> yeah
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<sacarlson> I also don't fully understand why when they seem to have working code it isn't pulled, but I guess the focus is more on getting the bottom to work first
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<buhrmi> make a pull request ^^
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<sacarlson> oh I can pull request for fredolafritte code? I should learn that
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<buhrmi> yeah
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<buhrmi> you can make a pull request for forks you don't own :)
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<sacarlson> what if fredolafritte already did? but I haven't fully tested it yet eather
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<buhrmi> then it will tell you that there already is a PR for that branch
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<sacarlson> I see fredolafritte has already put in a pull request 22 days ago but for another item if tests
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<buhrmi> maybe u should open a PR then ^^
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<sacarlson> only if you test it and I know it works
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<buhrmi> k
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<buhrmi> after i'm done with my current work
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<sacarlson> ok
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<buhrmi> where's the branch located