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<lanefu>
interesting
<lanefu>
i had built it without patches and got the same thing
<lanefu>
i'll try again
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<lanefu>
i may have incorrectly deletd patches
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<lanefu>
grrrr
<lanefu>
i ALWAYS get meson64 and mvebu64 mixed up
<lanefu>
I had to unplug my network cable to get taht log.. cuz i have a pxeboot server on my network.... and boy did that make the u-boot go bonkers
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<lanefu>
Tonymac32: i'm gonna start a new thread about the u-boot issues on master branch for le potato
<lanefu>
on teh amlogic subforum
* archetech
watches sad faced as other kids play
<lanefu>
archetech: getcha an orangepi
<lanefu>
they just work
<lanefu>
archetech: btw did you ever try Babel's universal image?
<archetech>
my deflated v2 just needs a needle to inflate it not a new ball
<archetech>
so I keep thinking
<archetech>
yeah same boot halt
<lanefu>
womp
<lanefu>
so less far
<archetech>
I know there's a fix for it thats my hang up
<lanefu>
as in you know where the fix it and dont know how to implement
<lanefu>
or just like we know there's gravity
<lanefu>
you know ther'sa fix
<archetech>
neither
<archetech>
grav dont need fixing
<lanefu>
ha
<archetech>
and I dont like to declare defeat beleiving the above
<lanefu>
okay
<lanefu>
are there things about the armbian build engine you have questions about, or need help understanding... would that let you hack in this more?
<archetech>
so Ill whine and tap this sbc against concrete until there is a real problem lol
<archetech>
no just hangin out
<archetech>
some poster on pine64 said he ordered 2 one acts just like mine
<lanefu>
solidarity
<lanefu>
i saw your link to that the other day.. any responses on there?
<archetech>
more like comiseration
<archetech>
yeah he replied he uses good one to geta working build and inserts that in the bad sd slot heh
<lanefu>
lol
<archetech>
I'm really disappointed in how arm boots using uboot think that whats really got me soured on buying any more sbc's to be frank
<archetech>
I read theres work being done to address it but not ready
<lanefu>
yeah... the evolution was different
<lanefu>
embedded systems suddenly got real cpus instead of microcontrollers
<lanefu>
and that raw way of working with stuff continued
<lanefu>
where as PC.. has had a bios since XT
<lanefu>
you can actually build bare metal apps on top of u-boot
<archetech>
I hate it and dont care how it can be used never seen tech like it before
<archetech>
it the worst thing ive ever used
<archetech>
tells me somebody in arm world just dont care
<archetech>
and thats usually because of money
<lanefu>
oh yeah.. there was no incentive to care
<lanefu>
before you had to patch your products
<lanefu>
you just mangled whatever until it works
<lanefu>
all teh BSP kernels for android stuff
<lanefu>
criminal
<lanefu>
hacky hacky stuff
<lanefu>
same thing.. they'd just chuck it over the wall
<archetech>
exactly smeels of criminality in product design
<lanefu>
pressure from google to be able to patch and run recently kernel versions in order to use newer android releases is what's making the SoC vendors get their shit together
<archetech>
smells
<archetech>
if peeps buy that crap they give the sbc sellers no incentive to improve it
<archetech>
"look at those morons gobble up this junk we fabricate"
<lanefu>
preachin to the choir
<lanefu>
they're getting better as well
<lanefu>
but the SBC people don't make the SoCs
<archetech>
ok but still just sayin im not an idiot consumer
<lanefu>
and its the SoC manufacturers that are't pulling their weight
<archetech>
why I spent $20 not 80-100 bucks
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<lanefu>
yeah... with exception of odroidn2, i don't think i've spent more than $40 on a board
<archetech>
so if I want to spend 50-100 on another try ...I say wheres that new sdd/cpuive wanted put the $towards that ya know
<lanefu>
so there'sa million flavors out there
<lanefu>
what do you actaully wanna do with an sbc
<archetech>
80-100 is sbc psu sdcard serial cable and emmc card
<archetech>
thats the true cost of arm entry right?
<lanefu>
for a "dev kit" yeah i suppose
<archetech>
least I think so
<lanefu>
i mean dont buy a power supply, serial cable and emmc fr every board i get
<lanefu>
but yeah i understand barrier to entry cost is closer to hundred bucks all in
<archetech>
no for it to boot and learn about it as a consumer not a dev
<archetech>
what should happen is I show my ebay receipt to pine and they exchange it
<archetech>
cuz these v2's shouldnt be out sealed up and avail from anybody
<lanefu>
yeah maybe
<archetech>
or a big sign on their website dont buy r64 v2's we wont support it
<archetech>
it s a mistake we made in them
<archetech>
we put wrg resistors in and didnt do anything like a recall
<lanefu>
i'm still waiting for my rock64 to get some work
<lanefu>
its been sitting in my cluster for a few days
<archetech>
thought clusters are supposed to be all the same nodes
<lanefu>
depends on what you're clustering
<archetech>
I played with Hadoop on 5 vm's :)
<lanefu>
this is workload / job scheduling
<lanefu>
i have arm32, arm64, and x86 all in the same cluster
<lanefu>
and most of my containers are multiarch
<archetech>
I read up on archs distcc usage thats cool
<lanefu>
yeah i havent used distcc in a long time
<lanefu>
probalby when i was actually using gentoo at work!
<archetech>
Ive always had in interest in parralel computing since my lpar days on IBM mainframes
<archetech>
which leads into supercomputing like Livermore etc
<archetech>
then they start using it all for surveil/pre-crime and my interst dies
<lanefu>
kinda spoils the fun
<lanefu>
speaking of fun... le potato desktop test firing up
<archetech>
I just wanted to see how good arm can do vs x86 on a LFS based kde plasma desktop w/mali gpu to answer you earlier question
<archetech>
I hear a rare few have gotten it to work nicely
<archetech>
on 3399 mostly
<archetech>
I was gonna show the world how it copuld also be done on a 3328 NOT!
<archetech>
could
<lanefu>
ha
<archetech>
denied ! by unseen arm forces
<lanefu>
so basically like the hardest thing to do
<lanefu>
you wanted to do
<lanefu>
and you didnt even pass go
<archetech>
yup arch manjaro armbian not at fault
<archetech>
and yes it was a grand goal many are still trying
<archetech>
fr what I read read I can still do it if I throw cash at the right arm sbc
<lanefu>
accelerated desktop stuff is just a pita i stay away from it
<archetech>
ie roll the dice again
<lanefu>
i'm just using bruteforce on my n2
<lanefu>
....and i have a KVM switch to my mac's thudnerbolt dock
<archetech>
ok but what work do you feed your arm boards if not for desktop
<archetech>
distributed farm that builds automatically
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<lanefu>
yeah thats the pie in the sky aspirations
<archetech>
its just virtual lincoln logs :)
<archetech>
sry thats a 60's reference
<archetech>
myabe legos be better anaolgy
<lanefu>
yeah i only played with lincoln logs when i visited my grand parents house
<archetech>
so this script is jenkins like or uses jenkins
<archetech>
not up onall the ci yet
<lanefu>
jenkins is using that script
<lanefu>
as far as ci stuff... jenkins is much less elegant than newer solutions
<lanefu>
BUT it has 134234234 plugins
<lanefu>
so has that enterprise crustiness that keeps it going
<lanefu>
for quick and dirty. i really like gitlab ci
<lanefu>
there are others that i havent trid
<lanefu>
the jenkins job has stuff for checking out repos... had follow github webhooks etc.... then eventually there's a section where it includes the functions from that script and does the build. https://snipboard.io/L9VMcO.jpg
<archetech>
putting this arm stuff on the side I'd like ot automate my LFS builds a scipt that grabs latest book dl'eds all the pkgs and spits out a build with X ready for DE of my choice to build with a coupel other scripts
<lanefu>
$dayjob is devops / cloud consulting if you havent pieced that together yet
<lanefu>
yeah you coudl totally do it
<lanefu>
jenkins is easy to run on arm
<lanefu>
because java
<lanefu>
i just use an off-the-shelf tomcat container, adn download the latest jenkins.war at runningtime
<lanefu>
my jenkins server is decoupled from the slave/runner
<lanefu>
i have a dedicated runner on my x86 server. for obvious reasons
<archetech>
hmm I could get tomcat vm prebuilt and ready to fire up from turnkey
<lanefu>
yeah check it out
<lanefu>
if you play with it, enjoy it, and wanna help with our ci stuff lemme know
<archetech>
sure sound more fun than screwing with uboot
<archetech>
but what doesnt
<archetech>
thing is im not a java fan wish it was python
<lanefu>
troubleshooting other people's homegrown CI tools at $financial_company without any sort of admin or debugging acccess
<lanefu>
well you don thave to write your CI code in java
<lanefu>
although groovy is like the most popular way to interact with jenkins
<lanefu>
i mean look i'm just doing shell scritpts
<archetech>
yup
<lanefu>
jenkins is like the eclipse of CI tools
<archetech>
long as I dont have to edit java
<lanefu>
its terrible, but you can make it whatever you want it to be
<lanefu>
nope
<lanefu>
Groovy would be the closest you get to writing java.. and you don't have to groovy
<archetech>
ill look into it test it with LFS builds
<lanefu>
yeah that sounds pretty rad
<archetech>
let ya know how that goes wont be right away
<lanefu>
alright i've used up my armbian brain
<lanefu>
yeah no hurry
<lanefu>
that stuff happens when it happens
<archetech>
ok gn
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<lanefu>
Happy v20.02 release day!
<archetech>
*\o/*
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<lanefu>
IgorPec: we do we have our own build of hostapd? is is that somethign we still need to build, or have the distros caught up?
<IgorPec>
yes
<IgorPec>
no, we need to build
<IgorPec>
i meand we could also use from distro, but lack some features
<IgorPec>
and they are mainly behind
<lanefu>
i guess we need some tools maintainer roles too.. like a maintainer for hostapd
<IgorPec>
aha, huh, i am not sure how to solve this
<IgorPec>
its probably not a hostapd issue
<IgorPec>
but a broken driver
<IgorPec>
we always use latest stable
<IgorPec>
so far it was always a driver
<lanefu>
okay that's good to know.. thanks
<IgorPec>
without research its really hard to tell
<lanefu>
yeah.. it would be cool to have someone just focus on wireless stuff
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<lanefu>
i have a weird idea.... what if we kept more legacy images available..... but only via torrent. that way only the latest stable stuff could use the dl.armbian
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<maccraft>
since you guys would probably know
<maccraft>
can i have rk3288 based device work as usb rndis device?