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<Tonymac32>
I had already done a nand-sata-install on the MC1 solo I was experimenting on, running from USB it has completed/uploaded/reported 3 work packages so far. This breaks that nodes record by 2. :P Overnight watch time.
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<Tonymac32>
lanefu this XU4 thing might be something to do with disk access. I also turned down the commit time to 120 from 600 since I'm on the USB and not an SD card.
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<Tonymac32>
I chose the worst one of the bunch, it only managed to upload 3 work packages over 5 days before, it's done 8 so far today without a hiccup
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<Werner>
Good morning.
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<Tonymac32>
Good night. ;)
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<IgorPec>
Good morning :)
<Werner>
Morning Igor
<ArmbianTwitter>
@OPi_Community (Orange-Pi-Community): RT @armbian: Armbian #opensource #soho lab is running critically low on #gigabit #RJ45 ports. Looking for a switch(s) sponsor! https://t.co… (15s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@sahajsarup (Sahaj Sarup @ home): @armbian It looks like a bunch of bananas if i don't wear my glasses. (16s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@armbian (armbian): Thanks to the @kobol_io for donating 48-port switch and thanks to @A13_technology for a stash of SD cards! (20s ago)
<ArmbianTwitter>
@nebelgrau77 (nebelgrau/Michal): RT @armbian: Armbian #opensource #soho lab is running critically low on #gigabit #RJ45 ports. Looking for a switch(s) sponsor! https://t.co… (11s ago)
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<ArmbianTwitter>
@pd0alx (Alexander PD0ALX): Hey @armbian, a question: how can I see if my Pine64 and Odroid N2 are using accelerated video drivers when running X under the latest 20.02 release? (7s ago)
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<alyssa>
Silly question but - is it possible to "de-armbianize" an installed system?
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<alyssa>
That is - given a board with Armbian (Debian) installed, is it enough to remove Armbian repos from apt/source etc and then have upstream Debian running (in effect using Armbian for the initial install only)?
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<alyssa>
It looks like it should work (famous last words)
<steev>
yes, but you won't get kernel updates
<steev>
since those come from the armbian repositories
<alyssa>
steev: awesome :)
* alyssa
is building her own kernels anyway
<steev>
you can also
<steev>
there you go :)
<alyssa>
Mostly I just wanted to avoid a date with debootstrap ^^
<steev>
whoa, debootstrap isn't that bad
* alyssa
raises eyebrow cynically
<steev>
you can also convert it to a derivative if you want, by installing the deriv key, and then pointing at their repos. that's what i do on some machines with kali before i start working on supporting it myself
<alyssa>
check back in a year for foss graphics drivers ;-)
<steev>
<3 thank you for all the panfrost work!
<steev>
does testing have a new enough mesa? i thought it was still a bit behind on having the fixes
<alyssa>
for which borad?
<alyssa>
*board
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<lanefu>
Tonymac32: oh interesting.. you think its becoming iobound and just crashing?
<lanefu>
Tonymac32: not sure if armbian defaults to mount options but noatime,nodiratime would eaise Io a bit
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<Tonymac32>
lanefu it still crashed on USB, but it got 14 wp's complete before it did, so I feel like IO is part of it.
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<lanefu>
run like `iostat -mx 5` on a terminal when its owrking lets see what IO looks like
<Tonymac32>
it will be key to snag this when a task hits 100%. I do see %wrqm spiking to 85 now and again just in normal operation
<lanefu>
wrqm is an okay thing ot have high... you care more about the iowait stuff
<lanefu>
wrqm == write requests merged -- aka how many IO's it's consolidating from the OS and performing as a single IO request to the actual storage
<lanefu>
if you have high rrqm it means that you can increase read-ahead on a blockdevice
<lanefu>
are you runnig debian or ubuntu?
<Tonymac32>
right, wait is between 2 and 6 at the moment, I'm going to leave it runing and see if I get a final report before it throws the flag and dies
<Tonymac32>
debian
<lanefu>
k.. i was gonna say install net data and you can have pretty realtime data
<lanefu>
a little more work for deb
<Tonymac32>
we shall wait and see
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<steev>
IgorPec: Tonymac32: weird-ish question - on armbian, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq is chmod 666, but on other systems it seems to be 600; i don't see it being set anywhere in /etc though. is this something armbian-* does?
<sarnold>
at least it just leaves things blank, heh
<steev>
indeed
<Tonymac32>
I don't feel so bad about AMlogic devices hating my small monitor, apparently windows 10 won't recognize it either, at least not my work laptop
<IgorPec>
oh, that's good news for us and bad for you :)
<Tonymac32>
hahaha
<Tonymac32>
In other news, my wife thinks I'm nuts, I'm making some sauerkraut (apparently no one wanted to buy the stores out of cabbage)
<IgorPec>
echt german stuff :)
<Tonymac32>
My entire mother's family is German, it's where I learned these terrible things
<Tonymac32>
:)
<IgorPec>
haha, i ran out of saussages but do have cabbage :(
<IgorPec>
but under those circumstances ... shop is the last place to go
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<Tonymac32>
It only got bad over the last week here, so my last trip was last week. I do have a delivery service, it isn't everything but you can get some meats/fruits/vegetables
<sarnold>
I have been wondering if I ought to head over to my local german import shop to buy some of their spicy bierwurst.. it's been over a month since I've had one, and they can't serve food any more, but if they are open would probably sell the sausages..
<Tonymac32>
I don't know that we have German import shops, but we do have a huge number of Polish folks here, just like in Pittsburgh (OK, probably even more in Pittsburgh)
<Tonymac32>
I am from the Appalachian mountains, the only people to stay there were German and Scottish. Quite the combo.
<Werner>
Invent German whisky or Scottish beer :P
<Tonymac32>
actually Scottish whisky with German fruits
<Tonymac32>
commonly known as moonshine
<Tonymac32>
:)
<Tonymac32>
Since the whisky is illegal, I use rum, which is a bit more traditional
<Tonymac32>
There are Scottish beers, have you ever tried them?
<Werner>
Not yet
<Tonymac32>
well, you can't see through them generally. ;)
<Werner>
^^
<Tonymac32>
I need to seriously improve my German though, I will need to travel to Frankfurt sometime after the apocalypse. I'm afraid it's been 15 years since I studied it, and have made infrequent use in the meantime. :/
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<Werner>
Falls dir mal danach ist frag einfach ;)
<Tonymac32>
haha danke. It's so bad these days I can only read (slowly) and ask for beers. :)
<sarnold>
what more do you need? :)
<Tonymac32>
My neverending exposure to Spanish is not helping either hahaha
<sarnold>
"ein mal bitte"
<Werner>
what sarnold said :P
<Tonymac32>
hahaha
<Tonymac32>
I had 5 years of instruction, so hopefully I can get it back quickly.
<Werner>
Learning by doing is best practice I think
<Tonymac32>
agreed, I also work for a German company so I have some material to work with. :)
<sarnold>
schoen :)
<Werner>
Gut gut
<Tonymac32>
Michigan is shut down completely for 3 weeks, so I'm not certain how busy I will be in a week or so, will probably have some time
<sarnold>
I was supposed to be in frankfurt three weeks ago; it'd been ages since I've practiced my german, and I found duolingo a very easy way to get a fair chunk of practice
<sarnold>
(I've been doing duolingo for russian for a few years, and it's way slower progress for me than german was, but that was back in the "go to the store and buy a book" days)
<Tonymac32>
I looked at Russian very briefly, but given the alphabet, and no one who spoke it around me, abandoned the idea
<Tonymac32>
At work it is all people from Mexico, Germany, Romania, and France. The English that is spoken there, well...
<Tonymac32>
Not "correct", let's say
<sarnold>
I've noticed at conferences and meetings that quite often the non-native english speakers can keep up with each other way better than native english speakers can; my guess is non-natives are more flexible in what they can understand.. have you noticed anything similar? or am I guessing too much?
<Tonymac32>
No, in some cases this is true
<Tonymac32>
I have found the opposite to be true of written documents, however, Germans like to say "tightness" when discussing something being sealed from the environment, for example
<Tonymac32>
for the guys in Mexico and the US that means there should be a torque spec
<Tonymac32>
:D
<sarnold>
hahaha
<Tonymac32>
and in Spanish, the word for "Solder" and "weld" is the same
<Tonymac32>
so
<Tonymac32>
that lack of language precision causes confusion
<sarnold>
things I'd never considered before :)
<Tonymac32>
Engineering requires some special considerations in language. The two extremes are Spamish and German in my opinion
<Tonymac32>
German: "We literally threw 12 words together so that this is exactly the thing with no questions"
<Tonymac32>
Spanish: "It's like that other thing, but green"
<Werner>
xD
<Tonymac32>
UNLESS
<Tonymac32>
the Germans have decided to use the word "zeug"
<Tonymac32>
in which case you have "flying stuff"
<Werner>
Haha, yeah, we really like adding this suffix to stuff
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<cordeiroviaweb>
hi all
<cordeiroviaweb>
i have an A95X F2, according to my research its a Amlogic S905X2
<cordeiroviaweb>
and i want to run armbian on it
<cordeiroviaweb>
but i come from a universe of grub....
<IgorPec>
but sadly with donations we can't cover any R&D costs
<cordeiroviaweb>
how much do i need to donate for someone on this channel to help me out?
<IgorPec>
servers, electricity
<IgorPec>
that's not on the price list
<IgorPec>
support in as is way is limited only to the selected hardware we have (almost) full access
<IgorPec>
remember diversity?
<cordeiroviaweb>
how much i need to donate for someone on this channel to make a wiki page explaining what needs to done from the x86 perspective?
<IgorPec>
donation is free willing act.
<IgorPec>
we don't provide services
<cordeiroviaweb>
like "you know grub? here we have uboot. you know the menu to chose the kernel, here we have this compiled(almost txt) file with the boot info)"
<IgorPec>
when all our bills are paid and fuilltimers will do the job we do i will do it for free, ok ?
<cordeiroviaweb>
ok
<cordeiroviaweb>
im just saying. for the rest of the world this ARM thing is counterintuitive.
<IgorPec>
it depends from the perspective. it serves the purpose.
<IgorPec>
if you want x86 experience, armbian is the best you got
<cordeiroviaweb>
A good wiki explaining how you got those 200 devices images may help 1000 users make the support for their own devices.
<IgorPec>
you are the one who wants to use a hardware for the different purpose it was build for
<IgorPec>
the problem is that nobody covers the time we are loosing
<IgorPec>
for making things, now you also wants educating
<IgorPec>
even knowledge is there, where i pointed you out
<cordeiroviaweb>
i understand. welcome to Linux :P . but if you have any time. explaning your knowledge in a formated way (not a search for 2 useful replies in 100 useless ones) may be more helpful in the long run
<cordeiroviaweb>
There will always allot more devices coming in than your support capability
<IgorPec>
i am explaining my knowledge way too much.
<IgorPec>
and i know where our limits are.
<cordeiroviaweb>
please think about it. A main "Armbian on ARM"
<cordeiroviaweb>
how may replies do i need to read in grub development forum to get all that info?
<IgorPec>
grub is upper level, like windows
<IgorPec>
but you have to get there somehow
<IgorPec>
none, there is nothing like grub
<cordeiroviaweb>
its not about grub
<cordeiroviaweb>
its about the wiki page
<cordeiroviaweb>
info is there
<IgorPec>
each device is different
<cordeiroviaweb>
compressed
<IgorPec>
check manufacturer manuals, armbian hasn't define how chip boots
<cordeiroviaweb>
yes but uboot is the same right?
<IgorPec>
yes and no
<cordeiroviaweb>
i know,,, versions...
<cordeiroviaweb>
but generaly speaking
<cordeiroviaweb>
and i know i may need to know some binary memory addresses to place on uboot
<IgorPec>
then what do you want from me?
<cordeiroviaweb>
what are the those addresses? ( i dont know) here a wiki would be usefull
<IgorPec>
but i can't give you that.
<cordeiroviaweb>
i know. and im not asking you to do it
<sarnold>
sounds like you ought to be asking whoever made the device you bought
<cordeiroviaweb>
im asking you to think about if your time is not much more useful to make such a wiki then to provide specific device support
<IgorPec>
there is absolutely no way that I will do anything like that
<IgorPec>
we stroggle to maintain this project
<cordeiroviaweb>
Then this project will die... because you will fail to get average users into your ranks. only hardcore self motivated users will be able to join and help
<IgorPec>
and?
<cordeiroviaweb>
nothing more. just that
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<IgorPec>
how many times must i tell you that we don't have funds for such luxury?
<cordeiroviaweb>
im asking you to think if its not a priority instead of a luxury
<IgorPec>
if you want to talk about priorities, you have to become a partner first
<cordeiroviaweb>
im not asking to know them. im asking you to think about it
<IgorPec>
i did, there is nothing i can do about
<cordeiroviaweb>
GG then :)
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