<glowcoil>
whitequark: yeah! isn't it fucking great?
<whitequark>
well I like it from language design standpoint
<whitequark>
otherwise it's kinda
<whitequark>
irrelevant
<whitequark>
"lol we made proprietary ocaml with c syntax" k
<whitequark>
I would use it for apple's walled garden because if you don't like walled gardens you're in a wrong fucking era and there's no choice on mobile anyway
<whitequark>
otherwise I'm not even going to mention it *shrug*
<purr>
¯\(º_o)/¯
<glowcoil>
whitequark: sure, it's only relevant in the apple ecosystem but like, i'm much more likely to write some iphone games now
<glowcoil>
whitequark: because it will be a much better experiences
<glowcoil>
experience*
<whitequark>
I'm glad for a bunch of people living in a completely separate universe from me
<whitequark>
^ sums up my feeling about swift *perfectly*
<glowcoil>
haha
<glowcoil>
programming is made up of a lot of separate universes and people state their value judgments way too universally
<glowcoil>
most arguments are stupid and irrelevant to both participants because they have entirely different value systems
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<joelteon>
xcode's repl is so fucking crazy
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<devyn>
glowcoil: yes well when _why vanished there was a big effort to see what git repos of his people still had and could get back up on github. I happened to have unholy for some reason, and no one else did so I offered to put that up, and then whymirror came along and mirrored all of our emergency repos
<devyn>
glowcoil, whitequark: yeah a friend of mine messaged me all excited about Swift and I was like… yeah, it's good news for Mac developers I guess but the language itself is about as rut as it gets (which I suppose is a good thing since ObjC is awkward)
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<glowcoil>
devyn: ah cool
<glowcoil>
devyn: see, the language has the very strict design constraint of perfect interop with objective c
<glowcoil>
devyn: and so, i cannot imagine a better language given that constraint
<glowcoil>
devyn: i can imagine a lot of concurrency constructs, for instance, that i would love to see in it
<glowcoil>
devyn: but i think it's one of the most pleasurable rut languages i can imagine
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<alexgordon>
glowcoil: what concurrency constructs would you like to see?
<alexgordon>
most of it can be done with combinators no?
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<cloudhead>
anyone here use haskell + sublime?
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<glowcoil>
alexgordon: well i mean, i really like to see stack-hierarchy-cutting things like generators and coroutines
<glowcoil>
alexgordon: just in general ways to express dependency graphs/trees more freely rather than lists of instructions
<glowcoil>
alexgordon: i don't feel that combinators are as first class a replacement
<glowcoil>
cloudhead: i have a little
<glowcoil>
cloudhead: for haskell, clojure, and other stuff with weird indentation, that's the only area i feel sublime falls short
<glowcoil>
cloudhead: and i tend to go to vim for indentation