00:29 <ELLIOTTCABLE> alexgordon: not far off

00:29 <alexgordon> he's got cancer?

00:30 <ELLIOTTCABLE> …

00:30 <alexgordon> it's like a baby, but bad news

01:15 <ljharb> ELLIOTTCABLE: :-) ty

01:15 <ljharb> ELLIOTTCABLE: i'm 33, she's 39

01:21 <ELLIOTTCABLE> I can't make nyc / babel-plugin-istanbul work

01:21 <ELLIOTTCABLE> it's all such a mess

01:21 <ELLIOTTCABLE> wtffff why is thsi tooling so complicated ;_;

02:03 <ELLIOTTCABLE> halp

02:27 <ELLIOTTCABLE> got fed up and wrote it up

02:27 <ELLIOTTCABLE> https://github.com/istanbuljs/nyc/issues/371

02:41 <ELLIOTTCABLE> Sorella: teaching PL?

02:44 <Sorella> ELLIOTTCABLE: https://github.com/origamitower/canel.es/blob/master/documentation/overview.md#canelés. TL;DR: it's like Racket (the environment), but running on a browser, with semantics more aligned with JS, and able to use any JS library (through a FFI layer)

02:44 <ELLIOTTCABLE> mmmmm!

02:44 <ELLIOTTCABLE> I like the sound of that a lot

02:44 <ELLIOTTCABLE> what do you mean with “semantics more aligned with JS”

02:44 <ELLIOTTCABLE> is it still a lisp, broadly speaking?

02:44 <ELLIOTTCABLE> (Sorry, my experience with racket, beyond as an engine for r6rs, is limited)

02:45 <ELLIOTTCABLE> (I know it has some language-transformation shit though)

02:45 <ELLIOTTCABLE> “a programming language framework” ahhah

02:45 <ELLIOTTCABLE> Sorella: do you know of my work? :P

02:45 <ELLIOTTCABLE> jesus christ some of this reads like Paws circa 2012

02:46 <Sorella> The semantics are similar to a small subset of ES2015. It doesn't have any syntax by default, you have compiler modules, and they convert whatever syntax to Core's AST, and that gets transformed to something that can run in the browser.

02:46 <Sorella> I might've read about Paws in the past, but I don't remember much about it.

02:47 <ELLIOTTCABLE> semantics are *wildly* different, so it's not at all, like, related to your Actual Goals (in terms of distribution benefits of being JSlike and whatnot)

02:47 <ELLIOTTCABLE> but in terms of everything you describe with ‘layers’, and what I'd probably call ‘abstraction-additve’ programming-language design? yeah.

02:48 <ELLIOTTCABLE> Paws is literally designed with a “Paws' Core”, and then “Paws' Fullness” (a ‘layer’ containing some of my more esoteric / fun PLT theories and ideas)

02:48 <ELLIOTTCABLE> just thought the parallels were cute :P

02:48 <ELLIOTTCABLE> “But I think Racket not having a web-based implementation of something like DrRacket, and having most languages using uncommon syntax like S-expressions increases the barrier-to-entry significantly.”

02:48 <ELLIOTTCABLE> no fucking kidding, yeezus

02:49 <ELLIOTTCABLE> Sorella: Did you go for a true-subset of ES6? Or, like, a pseudo-subset? The former sounds … Hard™ to do, without copying a lot of the same errors

02:50 <ELLIOTTCABLE> (oh hey, Sorella, pronouns? I just realized I don't know)

02:50 <Sorella> It contains a very small subset (values, scoping semantics, closures), and then adds records, variants, and protocols with multi-dispatch.

02:51 <Sorella> I go by either they or she.

02:51 <ELLIOTTCABLE> k!

02:52 <Sorella> At first I wanted to make it a "real subset". But then it's too easy to break the language guarantees, and adding a FFI isn't *that* expensive, so I limited the JS parts a bit more and added some other useful stuff.

02:53 <ELLIOTTCABLE> I know nothing about implementing an FFI, tell me more?

02:53 <ELLIOTTCABLE> ack but I'm afk

02:54 <ELLIOTTCABLE> Sorella: thanks for the quick interlocution :3

02:54 <embri0n> time for zzzzs

02:54 <ELLIOTTCABLE> Sorella: allow me to Paws at you, sometime. I think you'd like some of my ideas. (Minus the type-safety)

02:54 <ELLIOTTCABLE> -embri0n

02:54 <purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: who?

02:54 <embri0n> cheers

02:57 <Sorella> I just have a few nodes in the AST that interact with JS objects (and do some checks so they don't break the Core semantics). So you have `HostCall(fn, args)`, `HostMethodCall(obj, key, args)`, `HostGet(obj, key)` and `HostSet(obj, key, value)`. Languages can decide how to expose that, but the plan is to have a language where you declare an interface like:

02:57 <Sorella> `interface SomeModule for 'some-module' where procedure someOp(String, String) -> String`, then it generates a module that converts from Core strings to JS strings, and vice-versa.

23:02 <cloudhead> what's up

23:06 <Pyrrh_> debating with myself about the merits of taking a nap vs actually doing something useful with my evening

23:06 <Pyrrh_> sup with you?

23:06 <Pyrrh_> also hi

23:06 <Pyrrh_> I'm Pyrrh

23:08 <cloudhead> can't you take like, a super short nap?

23:08 <cloudhead> hello

23:08 <cloudhead> , I'm cloudhead

23:08 <pikajude> i got my 1976 keys guys

23:08 <Pyrrh_> I probably could but then I will be grumpy and therefore unproductive. Might as well make it count

23:09 <cloudhead> hmm I see

23:09 <cloudhead> 1976 keys?

23:16 <pikajude> http://i.imgur.com/4u5sLAb.jpg

23:16 <pikajude> Not mine obviously that's a weird ass layout

23:16 <pikajude> that's the color scheme though

23:16 <cloudhead> omg that looks amazing

23:16 <pikajude> ❤️

23:17 <cloudhead> I have a WASD

23:18 <cloudhead> I actually want one of these: https://input.club/whitefox

23:18 <cloudhead> if they're ever available

23:18 <pikajude> i love the whitefox but i heard the creator is really inconsistent

23:18 <cloudhead> hmm I See

23:20 <jfhbrook> I just have a das keyboard

23:20 <jfhbrook> it's the greatest, I love it

23:21 <cloudhead> yeah those are also nice

23:21 <cloudhead> I don't like the newer models though

23:24 <pikajude> i have a GON NS NerD TKL

23:24 <pikajude> i'm not sure how many of those words are relevant

23:26 <cloudhead> looks dope

23:27 <cloudhead> what switches?

23:29 <pikajude> red

23:29 <cloudhead> nice

23:40 <pikajude> clickity clackity clack