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<Phillmac[m]> Anyone have any clue what's cauing the http 500? and how does one dubug such an error??
<Phillmac[m]> Anyone have any clue what's cauing the http 500? and how does one debug such an error??
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<Phillmac[m]> Tried enabling debug log level for various modules in the logging system, but theres no useful output when a http 500 occurs
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<ctOS> Swedneck: IPFS has the better tech† but Dat actually has a working‡ consumer product with the Beaker Browser. †Though Dat Archive’s native history system could be useful in some situations on IPFS as well. ‡On IPv6; they still don’t do UPnP so almost all IPv4 peers are unreachable.
<Swedneck> well the projects don't have to merge
<Swedneck> for example IPFS could help store DAT data, even though they can't do all the things DAT does
<Swedneck> IPFS nodes could*
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<ctOS> Phillmac[m]: there are a few calls that return HTTP 500 by design. it might be fine. <insert dog drinking coffee in burning building meme> example: https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/5933
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<ctOS> Swedneck: one of Dat/Beaker’s goals is to make it easy to publish a distributed website. they’re mostly doing a good job at that whereas IPFS doesn’t really deliver anything too useful for web publishing yet.
<ctOS> They’re of course cheating a bit by having a centralized tracker server which makes updating mutable content easier.
<Phillmac[m]> @ct05 So i have to catch the error myself??? I agree with your meme
<Phillmac[m]> how can i determine if the error is real or not :C
<ctOS> Phillmac[m]: do’no. I’d assume you’ve got some more details with that response than just the HTTP status code. Find the error code and grep through the code to figure out where it’s printed.
<ctOS> Swedneck: they also cheat by having their own web browser, of course. <insert the whole discussion about origin separation and ipfs-companion/#667> Control the browser and you control the [distributed|future of the] web.
<Swedneck> <freenode_ctO "@swedneck: one of Dat/Beaker’s g"> but ipfs nodes could still be able to pin the content, and even keep the pin up to date at some point
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<Phillmac[m]> I mean its comming from the files_add call. do you mean go find the source for that in go-ipfs? ` ipfs files ls /` doesn't show my `.dir_map' file as existing, so theres definitly a problem of some sort
<Phillmac[m]> I mean its comming from the files_add call. do you mean go find the source for that in go-ipfs? ` ipfs files ls /` doesn't show my `.dir_map` file as existing, so theres definitly a problem of some sort
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<ctOS> Swedneck: how is that useful to either networks if the clients are talking different protocols?
<Swedneck> well they'd have to change sufficiently for some basic bridging to be made possible
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<ctOS> I don’t think the two projects really want that, though.
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<ctOS> On an unrelated note: someone mentioned a seed-box like app for IPFS for Android but I lost the project link. Does anyone remember this? It was an app that would announce a CID until DHT reported a minimum of X other seeders. At that point it would stop announcing bu regularly check in to see if the minimum seeder number is maintained.
<ctOS> Or maybe it was a raspberry pi project? Think it was for Android. Looking for the repo link
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<Phillmac[m]> god I'm an idiot. I forgot to append a filename to the path i was trying to write to
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<Kolonka[m]> >Control the browser and you control the [distributed|future of the] web.
<Kolonka[m]> nice to see someone get it
<Kolonka[m]> (fwiw I've added ctrl blog to a list of recs on my infantile site)
<Kolonka[m]> also, let me know if you find out what it is ctOS
<ctOS> Kolonka[m]: if I can find your site, you mean?
<Kolonka[m]> if you find the program
<Kolonka[m]> the rpi one or whatever, shoulda been clearer
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<ctOS> Kolonka[m]: oh, sorry – I did find it. It’s in my notebook over cool ideas I don’t have time to work on. I misremembered and thought it was something someone had already developed. I just imagined an app that would seed your CIDs until others began hosting it, and would resume distributing it if the number of seeders dropped below a certain threshold.
<Kolonka[m]> ah
<ctOS> This exists for BitTorrent.
<Kolonka[m]> I've had quite a similar idea written down
<ctOS> It’s a think that should exist. You don’t want your CIDs to disappear but you also don’t want your mobile bill to run too high so you need it to auto-pause when there are others seeding it. So your phone would help with the initial seeding when you publish new content and help ensure old content didn’t disappear without costing you a fortune.
<ctOS> Kolonka[m]: where is your infantile site?
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<ctOS> Phone app makes sense because it’s probably on another network that your laptop/desktop/pi/homeserver. So network diversity/redundancy/etc. etc.
<Kolonka[m]> if it's something you ever get the time to work on, maybe I could hit you up on Twitter some time? (about to leave now)
<Kolonka[m]> it's half-functional, reliant on URL cloaking that doesn't work for me most of the time, and near-zero content that I'm not always able to seed
<Kolonka[m]> maybe I'll share it when there's more worth seeing
<ctOS> Kolonka[m]: @aeyoun on the old tweetbox
<lanzafame1> Heh I was prototyping a similar thing the other day
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<lanzafame1> Using cluster as the 'watcher' as it already has pin replication logic, it just needs to look at the DHT as a whole instead of just a local ipfs node
<ctOS> lanzafame1: great. are you sharing that somewhere?
<ctOS> lanzafame1: I almost asked for a GitHub list, but I guess I should be askin’ for its globally deduplicated and unique content address instead.
<Kolonka[m]> just messaged you, afk
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<lanzafame1> ctOS: not currently as it was mostly me learning how to get the DHT started. I'm hoping to have some free time this weekend to work on it some more
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<lordcirth> So, I tried to pin the English Wikipedia - which I expected to take days. I did not expect it to use all of my RAM and freeze my server.
<lordcirth> At least, I think that's what's happening. I can't tell because htop won't launch
<lordcirth> Yup, 8/8GB RAM, 4/4GB swap
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<lordcirth> If anyone wants a handy systemd service file for IPFS: https://gist.github.com/lordcirth/378ae7c3a8d2786874d00867098cbad1
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<lordcirth> hmm, seems trickle doesn't actually work well because ipfs forks
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<postables[m]> yea somethings wrong even using my local node it seems like the nodes hosting a couple pieces of content are offline
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<logoilab[m]> Uh wow thanks postables that's my project!
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<seba--> who's in russia
<seba--> logoilab[m] you?
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<logoilab[m]> Nope US. But that's my project I wasn't expecting to join this channel right now and find it as the most recent post
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<seba--> oh ok
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<seba--> logoilab[m] do you need any help
<seba--> i'm in europe
<logoilab[m]> You can join the group if you want. We started out on the datahoarders subreddit. At the end of this we'll have over 50TB of data collected by more than 50 people all over the world that we'll be hosting on IPFS
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<seba--> how does that help russians hm
<logoilab[m]> And that's after compression. We're expecting 20x that amount uncompressed. I'm going to be stream processing it all. It doesn't really. Just a foray into big data and Internet routing infrastructure in an attempt to see what Russia does to it when they take themselves offline soon
<postables[m]> heh saw it on my github newsfeed and its awesome
<postables[m]> but im curious to hear how this helps the russians? is part of this going to involve spinning up bootstrap peers in russia?
<postables[m]> i've been trying to find a cheap VPS in russia i can use but cant find any reputable providers
<logoilab[m]> It's more about how the world responds to Russia going dark than it is what happens inside russia. The secondary goal is to identify infrastructure changes. The servers on the inside are already there. NTP servers. We traceroute in one a second and store the logs
<logoilab[m]> Once*
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<lanzafame1> Russia is turning off their internet on April 1st?
<logoilab[m]> Some time before. For a "test" to see if they can airgap themselves in the event of an attack. At least that's the cover story
<logoilab[m]> We don't know when that's why we're starting now
<lanzafame1> Oh shame I thought Russia was going to play the best April Fool's prank ever
<logoilab[m]> Yea it'd be so funny that European Internet will be having cramps for weeks
<seba--> why
<seba--> i doubt much gets routed through russia anyway
<logoilab[m]> You'd be surprised. A lot gets routed out of russia. There will be a giant relief of less data and then a giant rush of it as Russia comes back online. Especially cause everyone will be eager to reach the outside world again.
<lanzafame1> according to https://www.akamai.com/us/en/resources/visualizing-akamai/real-time-web-monitor.jsp it is 2%. I have no idea how accurate that measurement is and that is only for the last 24hs. I do question its accuracy now that I see Australia is above Russia
<logoilab[m]> But the purpose isn't to measure the strain it's to identify how the routes change. Appearently they'll be restructuring to introduce monitoring "chokepoints" within russia. They say for security but it's most likely for censorship and other nefarious things.
<lanzafame1> well there goes sci-hub.tw 😞
<logoilab[m]> gen.lib.rus.ec may go too
<seba--> yeah sci-hub and libgen is the things i'll miss
<seba--> libgen has db dumps
<seba--> sci-hub doesn't
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<logoilab[m]> Are the dumps on ipfs?
<seba--> i doubt, there are torrents
<logoilab[m]> Ah not to worried then. Maybe I'll add them to the network.
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<seba--> logoilab[m] aha i found it
<seba--> this is sci-hub
<logoilab[m]> Well there you go
<seba--> standards din, ansi iso
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<ttttes13> Hey, which datastore the blockstore use in the ipfs cmd line plz ?
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<voker57> in the ipfs cmd line?
<voker57> default is leveldb iirc
<voker57> no, sorry, it's _datastore_
<voker57> for blockstore it's custom format called flatfs
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<ttttes13> thanks
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<postables[m]> is there anyway a plugin a can be used to replace the default keystore IPFS uses? based off my interaction with the plugin system thus far, it doesn't seem like there's anyway to hook into the key management stuff ipfs does
<ttttes13> @voker57 what i don't understand is how block provide the blocks to ipfs
<ttttes13> so they are findable with find provider
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<voker57> block provide the blocks?
<voker57> you mean how to add stuff to IPFS?
<voker57> `ipfs add` should do the job
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<ttttes13> what i'm trying to achieve is understand the --discover option of pubsub
<ttttes13> ipfs pubsub sub --discover <some-topic>
<PhongVu> hi
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<AuHau> Guys do you know if it is possible to split the IPFS's block store into several storages? I will be trying to host bigger amount of data and have several storages available (HDD, NAS, and for left overs & stale data I would like to use S3)
<logoilab[m]> Uh RAID?
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<AuHau> Hmmm RAID is HW solution, if I am not mistaken. That is not available for me as I have VPS...
<rialtate[m]> AuHau: LVM or ZFS
<AuHau> rialtate[m]: Thanks, I will look into those.
<ToxicFrog> You can't use s3 as a backing store for ZFS, as far as I know
<ToxicFrog> (or LVM, or anything else that requires a block device)
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<ToxicFrog> I wonder if anyone's written a sort of "reverse FUSE" that exposes a block device and stores the data in dozens of files on existing filesystems
<logoilab[m]> Sounds a bit like IPFS
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<MikeFair> Howdy all! o/
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<MikeFair> Anyone know if supporting alternative signing keys for an IPNS record is a thing or being worked on as a thing atm?
<seba--> MikeFair, what do you mean
<seba--> i.e. that you have multiple IPNS addresses?
<seba--> on a single client?
<MikeFair> No, that I have the same IPNS address, but a signing key other than the original private key
<seba--> oh
<seba--> no idea
<seba--> not sure if that's possible hm
<seba--> as you would have to have the same public key then
<MikeFair> It's possible, but it requires the IPNS record itself to have a "signing key" data element
<seba--> i mean, the IPNS address is basically base58 or whatever encoded sha256 of the public key
<seba--> if i understand correctly
<seba--> hm
<MikeFair> You'd initially claim a record using the default private key; but then you could change the update key for the record as part of an update
<seba--> oh ok, if you say so. i haven't really studied that much that part. :)
<MikeFair> Right; so that "fixed address" never changes; currently it knows that you have permission to change what it links to becuase you know the private key that goes with that public key
<MikeFair> that's great up until the private key gets lost or compromised
<MikeFair> it also doesn't allow for "multiple signers" (or M of N type decisions) for who controls the IPNS updates
<MikeFair> what I'd like to do is have a few bots be able to compute when an IPNS update should happen based on a consensus algorithm (M computers in a network of N machines come to the same update decision)
<seba--> i'm not sure if i know enough about crypto
<seba--> but i think the way it's done now, you can't do this
<seba--> because the address is linked to the public key
<MikeFair> correct; historically an update to an IPNS record is validated based solely on the update being signed by the private key to that IPNS address' public key
<seba--> you would have to totally change how it works :)
<MikeFair> the IPRS spec has plans to address many of the limitations; but I haven't really heard much about it since the spec was initially drafted
<seba--> and how addresses are generated
<MikeFair> no no, addresses would be generated the same way
<seba--> how?
<MikeFair> You'd just be adding to update validation code
<seba--> can you have 10 private keys with 1 public key?
<seba--> anyway, you could just use DNS records, that link to the IPNS
<MikeFair> You'd have 1 public key that points to a record, with 10 other public keys as part of the data
<seba--> and if you lose your IPNS private key just remake it
<seba--> and point the new IPNS in your DNS
<seba--> :)
<MikeFair> I'd just skip IPNS at that point and use DNS to do what IPNS does ;-)
<MikeFair> (put the IPFS CID directly in DNS)
<seba--> or that
<seba--> IPNS is not that good anyway, it requires the node to be online
<seba--> kinda sucks
<seba--> single point of failure
<MikeFair> Not sure what you mean.... IPNS records are CIDs that behave like all other CIDs....
<seba--> well
<MikeFair> OH! You're thinking of the node's default IPNS record
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<MikeFair> I'm talking about IPNS records with custom keys
<seba--> when you do IPNS it has to query to which CID it points to the peer
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<seba--> and if the peer is offline
<seba--> even if the CID is widely shared
<seba--> it fails
<seba--> (ok there's caching for 24 h, but ...)
<MikeFair> Well that's the same with all CIDs though
<seba--> naah
<seba--> if the CID is shared around
<seba--> it's available
<MikeFair> a peer with the CID data has be be online
<seba--> yes
<seba--> but thing is that a CID can have 10 nodes
<seba--> and if the original sharing node is offline nobody cares
<MikeFair> Sure, and an IPNS record can point to that CID that is on 10 nodes
<seba--> where as with IPNS it has to be online
<seba--> can it?
<MikeFair> it can point to _ANY_ CID
<seba--> it only does for ~24 h (caching)
<seba--> yes
<seba--> but look
<seba--> this is hosted on my shitty computer
<seba--> if it's offline
<seba--> for more than 24h
<seba--> it won't work
<MikeFair> rIGHT, BUT YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T USE A CUSTOM KEY TO PUBLISH THAT
<MikeFair> ack; caps inversion sorry about that
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<seba--> no, i didn't
<seba--> if i would it would be?
<MikeFair> Oh you just need another machine to pin your IPNS record, just like any other CID
<seba--> oh
<seba--> hm
<seba--> well IPFS records work for much longer
<MikeFair> IIRC, because IPNS records are so small they actually live in the hash tables of the network peers themselves
<seba--> yes
<seba--> but for 24 h
<MikeFair> So you need a node that doesn't purge them from its cache (pins them)
<seba--> sure, but point is right now, it doesn't work as nicely
<MikeFair> usually (and most simply) that's the original publishing node
<seba--> i.e. what my point is
<MikeFair> But IPNS is doing something different than a normal CID
<seba--> that nodes could just retain to where it points, until is not updated
<seba--> so that you don't have a single point of failure :)
<MikeFair> You can tell other nodes to do that
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<seba--> how?
<seba--> it's not the default
<seba--> :>
<MikeFair> you pin the IPNS address
<seba--> sure :D
<seba--> but ipfs content is automatically like that
<seba--> GC time is longer
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<MikeFair> Hmm, I'd be suprised if you had machines that were regularly querying an IPNS record that it would auto-purge out
<seba--> i don't know, but if i use the IPFS address directly vs. IPNS
<seba--> it works much better
<seba--> quicker
<seba--> IPNS always take seconds
<MikeFair> Porbably because it's coming from your local cache
<seba--> IPFS is instant
<MikeFair> and your local node has cached the CIDs you're querying
<seba--> naah i try gateways
<seba--> so that it's fresh
<seba--> :>
<MikeFair> Oh, well there is definitely an IPNS resolution "issue" atm
<seba--> yes
<MikeFair> in terms of speed
<MikeFair> but what IPNS can do, that CIDs can't, is change their results for making the same CID query ;)
<seba--> anyway that link i gave became a bit viral ;> but almost nobody accessed it using IPFS, but just http gateway but still :))
<MikeFair> I haven't tested the "how long does an IPNS record stick around if I keep querying it on the gateways but my node is offline" time
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<MikeFair> I assumed it was just like all CIDs; other machines purge them because they don't pin them; and my machine needs to keep publishing it to keep it fresh
<MikeFair> The content id that it points to is a similar but separate issue
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<seba--> ^.^
<MikeFair> if the IPNS record falls out of the hash map and my mahcine is offline; then the IPNS record can't resolve because the requester can't find it --- if the record resolves but my mahcine hosting the targetted CID is offline, then the content won't load
<seba--> wow :> 20 nodes have that link
<seba--> impressive
<MikeFair> cool!
<MikeFair> Is that 20 nodes have the resolved CID data; or the IPNS record?
<MikeFair> or both
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<MikeFair> seba-: wb o/
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<seba-> :>
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<seba-> it's a transformed list from excel
<seba-> to make it visually nicer
<postables[m]> `pin the ipns address` you're stil pinning the ipfs hash
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<postables[m]> you're not actually pinning the ipns reord, you're first resolving the record to find the referenced CID and then pin that
<seba-> of some quotas for doctors
<seba-> some media picked it up
<seba-> and it became a bit viral
<seba-> :>
<seba-> half the ipfs half the http link
<seba-> i just quickly switched to ipfs because i've seen where this is going lol
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<aschmahmann[m]> seba- you may already be aware of this, but IPNS waits for multiple positive responses tying IPNS Key to the relevant CID. This is because, unlike IPFS it's easy to validate the content IPNS wants to make sure it gives you the latest version and not just any version. Also, IPNS record expiration is also designed to help with this "find the latest version" problem (in addition to dealing with DHT churn just like IPFS
<aschmahmann[m]> does)
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<aschmahmann[m]> seba- you may already be aware of this, but IPNS waits for multiple positive responses tying IPNS Key to the relevant CID. This is because, unlike IPFS it's not easy to validate the content IPNS wants to make sure it gives you the latest version and not just any version. Also, IPNS record expiration is also designed to help with this "find the latest version" problem (in addition to dealing with DHT churn just like IPFS
<aschmahmann[m]> does)
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<seba-> ;>
<seba-> ok
<aschmahmann[m]> ya, so it's always going to be slower because it's trying to help you 😃. However, as you're noticing it could definitely use some work.
<aschmahmann[m]> *slower than IPFS resolution
<seba-> yes
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<jamiedubs[m]1> Time to bridge #filecoin 😃
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<postables[m]> seems so 😄 this is super exciting
<postables[m]> congrats to all the protocol labs developers for this momentous occasion 🔥 💪 :ipfs:
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<Swedneck> today we got both riot 1.0, and release of filecoin source code
<postables[m]1> i finally downloaded riot desktop client haha
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