<deadrom>
pragmaticenigma: are we seeing a "media industries create new closed formats to outrun independent solutions" or is that just tinfoil hattery?
<pragmaticenigma>
deadrom: this isn't the place to have that type of discussion
<mack->
my understanding is it is because it's hard to program cheap low end hardware do really neat things. Lot of Pi dev hours of work go into the matter.
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<pragmaticenigma>
mack-: I thought Rpi 4 had the decoder on chip. Most of what I'm reading is there are required kernel versions to utilize the decoder. I believe the issue is the currently release LibreELEC is running an older kernel and with the release LibreELEC for KODI 19, I'm hoping a new kernel will enable support.
<deadrom>
libreelec on rpi4: 2, 4, 8 gb RAM?
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<pragmaticenigma>
deadrom: That's a personal choice and kind of up to you to do your research on what you will need. I can't find any documentation stating any particular Rpi 4 model is not compatible with LibreElec or KODI
<deadrom>
so any version will run LE, why not say so
<pragmaticenigma>
deadrom: beacuse it is all documented on the website and I'm not an expert, I'm just a google query or two a head of you
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<emOne>
hello
<buzzmarshall>
rpi4 basically uses mmal to work the onboard broadcom decoder (meaning proprieatary) and moving forwward Kodi 19 it supports gbm/v4l2
<buzzmarshall>
so stateless codec's need to be developed to make use of the hardware
<buzzmarshall>
same as the statefull hevc code needs to be fixed up to get gbm/v4l2 working on our normal amlogic stuff
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<emOne>
hello buzzmarshall
<emOne>
long time no see
<emOne>
I just dropped by to say hello
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: how is libreelec on amlogic these days?
<emOne>
any news on hardware accleration?
<buzzmarshall>
hey there... ya its been awhile
<buzzmarshall>
hevc is being worked on
<emOne>
ooh that is awesome!
<emOne>
I kind of just learned why the android kernel version is not ideal
<emOne>
it only supports hardware acceleration in framebuffer
<buzzmarshall>
things would go faster if it wasnt for all this git and patching and trying to do things to make it compliant with others
<emOne>
x11 is buggy and there is no hardware acceleration for it
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne>
heh
<emOne>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
spend as much time trying to learn to work within the tree while trying to break old habbits
<emOne>
is there a windowing system in libreelec?
<emOne>
wayland or x11 or co?
<buzzmarshall>
trying to follow all the moves forward and theres a lot to learn
<emOne>
I think I prefer the philosophy of LE
<buzzmarshall>
basically just looking at the aml kinda stuff so its all gbm/v4l2
<emOne>
cool
<buzzmarshall>
things were simplier in bsd
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne>
so are you saying there will be proper aml video acceleration?
<buzzmarshall>
i can see it happening
<emOne>
:) awesome
<emOne>
nothing is simple with arm
<emOne>
choose android and you get vulkan
<buzzmarshall>
you got that right
<emOne>
choose old CE kernel and you get video acceleration but nothing else
<buzzmarshall>
i just hate Android so thats definately out of the question
<emOne>
choose LE kernel and you can potentially get a windowing system like wayland
<emOne>
yea
<emOne>
android is not an option
<buzzmarshall>
moving of the vendors bsp's is definately a good move but taking forever
<buzzmarshall>
so moving things to mainstream kernel is long overdue
<buzzmarshall>
Android should just stick to touchscreen devices as it was meant to be on
<buzzmarshall>
hahaha
<emOne>
yep
<emOne>
agreed
<buzzmarshall>
that and i literally hate java
<emOne>
and arm should provide some actual drivers for vanilla linux
<buzzmarshall>
for sure
<emOne>
no one likes java
<buzzmarshall>
but like most corps they are not to keen to give away the cookie jar
<emOne>
couldn't they just charge every manufacturer the costs of the drivers?
<emOne>
I mean ,, if you buy the arm chip ,,, surely you will need drivers
<emOne>
soooo , they should just charge everyone the license costs of the drivers
<emOne>
up the prices by a few dollars
<emOne>
and provide some decent drivers
<emOne>
it makes me think that there are problems with the drivers
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<buzzmarshall>
one would think but between the board makers trying to keep wide margins and low prices to sell stuff they cut wherever they can
<emOne>
maybe an arm gpu works well with the android windowing system but not so much with x11/wayland
<emOne>
I mean they do have a monopoly on the mobile and embedded market
<emOne>
I say , charge everyone an extra 5 bucks and call it a day
<buzzmarshall>
arm just provides the blobs and keeps control and the board makers only pay for blobs they need to sell the board which is android based
<emOne>
5 usd is probably too much
<buzzmarshall>
ya its a good monopoly for sure
<emOne>
but that is so annoying
<buzzmarshall>
ya for sure
<emOne>
they should at least provide blobs for everyone , including us linux geeks
<buzzmarshall>
but to be honest most of these devices are marketed as Android driven so people get what they pay for
<buzzmarshall>
its all us weirdo's that want linux
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<buzzmarshall>
and they don't really care to provide much help tho it is somewhat better then years ago
<emOne>
we should go and protest
<emOne>
with signs and all
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<emOne>
NO JUSTICE FOR TUX THE PENGUIN
<buzzmarshall>
and to be honest if they really wanted to kill off the hackers they could just lock everyone out at the low end and put a end to most of all of this
<emOne>
PENGUIN LIVES MATTER
<buzzmarshall>
at least they haven't gone that way
<buzzmarshall>
yet
<emOne>
PENGUINS ARE BLACK AND WHITE IN ONE
<emOne>
I doubt they will because of the raspberry pi
<buzzmarshall>
none of the makers are really locking out the hardware at bootlevel in a unbreakable way yet
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<emOne>
thankfully
<buzzmarshall>
ya
<emOne>
you know that on the raspberry pi you can buy licenses as an end user to activate certain video codes
<emOne>
i think mpeg2 and another codec
<buzzmarshall>
even just a simple resistor change on the mainboard would make everyone have to play with hardware just to get it try and boot off something other then the internal memory
<emOne>
:(
<buzzmarshall>
its a easy fix but would still be a pain for alot of none hardware types
<buzzmarshall>
especially if they did it under the SoC
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne>
yes that would suck
<buzzmarshall>
ive run across a few tho over the years that tried locking out jtag by hiding a few traces and easy access to the rails
<buzzmarshall>
hahah
<buzzmarshall>
so what you been up to... its been awhile
<emOne>
eh just some work
<emOne>
and surviving the world apocalypse
<emOne>
growing my hair a bit
<emOne>
I call it the covid 19 hairstyle
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne>
how about yourself?
<emOne>
anything new?
<buzzmarshall>
ya this being confined is a real pain
<emOne>
a little bit
<buzzmarshall>
i dont mind being stuck in the shop but trying to get parts is a pain
<emOne>
for sure
<emOne>
are the restrictions still in place in Canada?
<emOne>
the lockdown restrictions are slowly being removed around here
<emOne>
shops are now open
<buzzmarshall>
naw... not so much that just all the extra hoops and long delivery times
<emOne>
but you have to wear a mask indoors
<emOne>
ahh yes, for sure
<buzzmarshall>
naw... the 3 of us been quaranteed since march
<emOne>
:(
<buzzmarshall>
just need to be carefull going out to get stuff for home
<emOne>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
other then that its been pretty good
<emOne>
that is good to hear
<buzzmarshall>
being up in my 60's tho i worry about catching it
<buzzmarshall>
not that i am worried i just dont want to end up in the health care system
<buzzmarshall>
that worries more then anything
<emOne>
60s .. you are still young!
<buzzmarshall>
otherwise were pretty healhty
<emOne>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
ya... age is just a number
<emOne>
I think there were some stats about who is the most affected by the virus
<emOne>
it is much younger than most people assume
<emOne>
I think 40-50 is what I read
<emOne>
can't remember now
<emOne>
there were even people in their 20s who died of the virus
<buzzmarshall>
i think this whole mess will change how people go about things for along time as like sars and wers it will always be around
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<buzzmarshall>
its a good wake up i think for some that just seem to naive to the idea of bugs and virus crap
<buzzmarshall>
there still learning a lot a bout it i think
<emOne>
it is a good wake up
<emOne>
and yes it will be ingrained in everyones heads
<buzzmarshall>
what worries me is now that they are finding a small percentage that are carriers but not symptomatic
<emOne>
is that a thing now?
<emOne>
well
<buzzmarshall>
especially here in NA where most of the testing policies are basically just test people with symptoms
<buzzmarshall>
you'll never find the carriers if you don't test everyone
<emOne>
the virus works a lot like HIV/AIDS , but it doesn't lead to aids
<emOne>
the virus works a lot like HIV/AIDS , but it doesn't lead to aids
<emOne>
it uses the same kind of protein to reproduce
<emOne>
it also uses the same way to hide itself
<emOne>
viruses have markers
<emOne>
covid19 erases its own markers like HIV
<buzzmarshall>
i quess in some ways theres some similar stuff as thats why some of the hiv medications have been tested
<emOne>
the difference is that HIV attacks/exhausts the T cells in the body
<emOne>
covid 19 doesnt
<buzzmarshall>
k
<emOne>
it is actually quite interesting
<buzzmarshall>
ya im not up on any of that in any type of detail but your right it is interesting
<emOne>
the protein that hiv attaches with is the protein that causes cancer
<emOne>
it is ,,
<buzzmarshall>
seems like no matter how greedy man gets good old mother nature will find a way to thin the herd
<emOne>
yea
<emOne>
an act of god
<emOne>
if you will
<emOne>
there is an act of god clause over in the EU.. if your plane is delayed by more than 4 hours you get money from the airline
<buzzmarshall>
not much of religous type but i definately believe in mother earth and karma is a bitch
<emOne>
yep
<buzzmarshall>
i am more like a native spirtually
<emOne>
that is great
<emOne>
I don't think about religion all that much myself
<emOne>
but it is still important to know that we don't always know
<buzzmarshall>
i believe in keeping our habbitat healthy and most of this kinda crap i think is just mother natures way of giving herself a good shake to get rid of some of us peskies humans
<emOne>
imo
<buzzmarshall>
hah
<emOne>
lol I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case
<buzzmarshall>
we can't keep poluting the earth and not expect shit to happen but most corp's and govs are more worried about entitling themselves and the few choosen few that run things
<buzzmarshall>
i mean some some fool like bezo's that owns amazon
<buzzmarshall>
just how much money is enough
<emOne>
I don't mind if anyone owns a lot of wealth
<buzzmarshall>
and what good is all that money for his kids once he's dead and gone
<buzzmarshall>
clean air and virus and food don't give a crap about how much money you got
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<buzzmarshall>
sure you may be able to lie and suffer in some private villa rather then at home like the rest of us
<buzzmarshall>
but sick is sick
<emOne>
I only mind if you are willing to ruin someone to keep your money
<buzzmarshall>
i am all for the hard working to make their mark and reap the benifits
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<emOne>
an I am sure some corps, governemtns and individuals are willing to go that far
<buzzmarshall>
but peeps like bezo's are like a plague on the planet as they take for others that need just so he can pile up his stash higher
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: as long as everyone has an equal opportunity
<emOne>
and as long as no one cheats that system
<buzzmarshall>
definately i agree
<emOne>
and as long as the system isnt rigged
<buzzmarshall>
if i could have one wish it would be that the world goes back to a barter system and money didnt exist
<buzzmarshall>
that way people would need to be taught skills to make them worthwhile
<emOne>
true
<buzzmarshall>
and trying to accumulate to much would litteraly take up to much space
<emOne>
a crazy world we live in huh?
<buzzmarshall>
one can only collect so much crap as physically it takes up space
<buzzmarshall>
money tho doesn't even have to exist so what space does it take up
<buzzmarshall>
and they spend more in trying to secure where this supposed money sits which is a big waste
<buzzmarshall>
gasoline engines would have died years ago as its totally obsolete
<buzzmarshall>
and there would be a lot less wars in the middle east as they wouldn't have the money to keep buying weapons from the US
<buzzmarshall>
haha
<emOne>
I wonder if there are some secret billionaire rules
<emOne>
say you are a billionaire .. you could buy all the toilet paper in the world
<emOne>
I dont know why you would do that
<emOne>
but say you are a massive asshole
<emOne>
and assholes need toilet paper
<emOne>
I think ford killed the electric car
<emOne>
the first one
<emOne>
no but seriously , I think they have more money than there are some products to buy
<buzzmarshall>
oh ya... old money has been around for generations just like the secret society's some belong to
<emOne>
so I wonder if they live by some rules which doesn't allow them to be economical oppressors
<emOne>
just so the system doesn't crash
<emOne>
are you a member of any society?
<emOne>
I will take the silence as a yes heh :
<emOne>
:D
<buzzmarshall>
most i think are just so busy trying to etch out there own normal lives that they don't really stop and look at history and then the modern world and whats going on in the big picture as most of us don't either have the time or don't want to make the time
<buzzmarshall>
so they just blindy believe what the media puts out and don't think
<buzzmarshall>
and for the vast majority of peeps i think just trying to live ok from day to day just about kills all the time we have
<buzzmarshall>
its easier to just be a sheep and follow the herd
<emOne>
you don't have time to think if you just live a normal live
<buzzmarshall>
i think tho overall this whole virus mess will wake up some of those people
<emOne>
a day to day kind of live
<buzzmarshall>
yes for sure
<buzzmarshall>
yep
<emOne>
that is a good thing"
<emOne>
"
<emOne>
!
<emOne>
do you think there is anything fishy about the virus in the first place?
<buzzmarshall>
as a society i think today overall most of us have been dumbed down to follow that model as the percentage of free thinkers has gotten smaller
<buzzmarshall>
its hard to say
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<buzzmarshall>
this much tho i do believe
<buzzmarshall>
i forsure don't believe any of the ignorant crap of Trump and the US trying to imply china did this on purpose
<buzzmarshall>
tho i would not be suprised that china LIKE the us and others have been playing with biological stuff for years
<emOne>
agreed and agreed
<buzzmarshall>
you can't keep poking the cow in the butt and not expect him to lift his tail and take a crap once and awhile
<buzzmarshall>
haha
<emOne>
:D :D :D
<emOne>
heh that is a great metaphor
<buzzmarshall>
but the conspiracy crap that trump wants people to believe in i don't get as it would make little logical sence
<emOne>
I don't think people are buying it either
<buzzmarshall>
chinas hurt internationally by this and honestly with its size and wealth these days could do other things if there ever was some intent in any of this
<emOne>
absolutely
<emOne>
it is the last thing they needed
<emOne>
the stock markets are cazy right now
<buzzmarshall>
trump has got to be the dumbest politian when looking at all the internation other people in charge
<buzzmarshall>
as he is just one huge sociopath
<buzzmarshall>
with him and everything he ever says
<buzzmarshall>
its always about assigning blame
<emOne>
I think he is a lot smarter than the media makes him out to be
<emOne>
now that I noticed
<buzzmarshall>
what the issue is with hime its about blame
<emOne>
the thing is
<emOne>
that the population is buying his persona
<emOne>
it is his persona
<emOne>
which is a bit scary to think
<buzzmarshall>
i think originally that was the case but his total lack of doing really anything for the american people on this virus mess is costing him
<buzzmarshall>
trump really didnt win because people liked or looked up to him
<buzzmarshall>
he more or less one because people didn't want hillary
<emOne>
do you think the US is going to hold onto world dominance?
<buzzmarshall>
she's scary and would have just continued in how the us was being managed back then
<buzzmarshall>
people wanted something different
<emOne>
sure
<emOne>
to me it is like this
<buzzmarshall>
with the US you only have 2 choices
<emOne>
lol yea
<buzzmarshall>
i member on election nite when i got offline around 1am
<emOne>
or you could come to your senses and vote liberterian
<buzzmarshall>
hillary was winning
<buzzmarshall>
when i woke up in the morning trump had one
<buzzmarshall>
and all the polling and demographics companies didnt know how that happened
<emOne>
it was always has been the case of the US president being the most powerful man in the world
<buzzmarshall>
in the end after some research people realize a portion of the population that normally didnt figure into the polling and demographics actually voted
<emOne>
but this image is slipping in my honest opinion
<buzzmarshall>
it needs to
<emOne>
there was also the whole cambridge analytics scandal
<emOne>
where trump's team analysed peoples social media
<emOne>
and they knew exactly how to win over the voters
<buzzmarshall>
and besides even tho the president represents the big power the real power is behind the scenes
<buzzmarshall>
and pretty much has been since the end of the 2nd world war
<emOne>
and before ww2?
<buzzmarshall>
the us military and its private contractors have huge control over the US and its internation business dealings
<buzzmarshall>
the military industrial complex didnt really exist prior to www2
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<buzzmarshall>
even here in canada things changed as all the men went to fight while all the companies geared up to make stuff or supply the uk with stuff
<emOne>
maybe wars are being thought by economics and not by weapons any more?
<buzzmarshall>
when the war ended all those men came home while women stayed working
<emOne>
at least to a large extent
<buzzmarshall>
that started the whole 2 working parent lifestyle and created a good sized middle class here in north america
<emOne>
you should watch the documentary "american factory"
<buzzmarshall>
with the US tho
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<buzzmarshall>
all those arm's makers needed to keep selling stuff
<emOne>
and we are not talking about the arm cpu heh
<buzzmarshall>
its probably the largest part of the american international economy
<emOne>
that is insane
<emOne>
it is hard to wrap your head around it
<buzzmarshall>
so the US has been run by presidents that look for wars and places to do business
<buzzmarshall>
jfk was propably the one hope for changing that
<buzzmarshall>
hence he had to go
<emOne>
yea
<emOne>
was he responsible for the bay of pigs?
<buzzmarshall>
since then look at all the us presidents and whats gone on around the world wherever the us is
<emOne>
mhm
<buzzmarshall>
yes that happened on his watch tho he was kinda goadded into it
<buzzmarshall>
and vietnam he was bringing people home
<buzzmarshall>
non of which was good for private enterprise
<emOne>
I read that "they" wanted to do some false flag attacks on american soil
<buzzmarshall>
since then its just been one president after another and some stupid scandal
<emOne>
using some staged plane hijacking
<emOne>
but jfk scrapped that plan
<buzzmarshall>
don't get me wrong as i like the us and worked for a us company for close to 10 years
<buzzmarshall>
but i dont think of the US as a big democrated country any more
<buzzmarshall>
its more like a big Corporation
<emOne>
ok so if the presidency is compromised and the government has been taken over by intelligence agencies what do you do?
<buzzmarshall>
and like big corporations it sees the world as just something else to try and dominate
<buzzmarshall>
not much you can do
<buzzmarshall>
which is why there a portion of the US that are growing all the time
<buzzmarshall>
there the ones that are the gun nuts and anti goverment types
<buzzmarshall>
extremely patriotic
<buzzmarshall>
they still believe in the idea the founding fathers had
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<buzzmarshall>
there not like the normal racist groups like the kkk and others that just don't like some types of people
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<buzzmarshall>
they hate anyone that appears to threaten the american dream which is usually anyone not born in the US
<emOne>
are they the NRA guys?
<buzzmarshall>
its a different type of racsism
<buzzmarshall>
some for sure
<emOne>
xenophobia
<buzzmarshall>
part of the constitution allows for arms
<buzzmarshall>
the NRA is just one of the associations that try and protect that right
<emOne>
do you think there will be an uprising?
<emOne>
revolution?
<buzzmarshall>
one studying history would think so
<buzzmarshall>
as eventually when the mass majority of people have nothing else to loose something will happen
<emOne>
it honestly seems rigge
<emOne>
all of it
<emOne>
demonstrations alone are rigged
<buzzmarshall>
places like Can and the US have had such great living conditions for so long and are declining every year
<emOne>
people have jobs that they need to attend
<emOne>
thy cant just protest
<emOne>
but what if people didn't necesseraly neeed to attend their jobs
<emOne>
because of something like a virus
<buzzmarshall>
what happens tho when the jobs are gone
<buzzmarshall>
things spiral down
<emOne>
yea
<buzzmarshall>
jobs have been on the decline here for along time
<buzzmarshall>
good jobs i should say
<emOne>
in north america or canada?
<emOne>
or both?
<emOne>
the stock markets are scary
<emOne>
they are behaving as if nothing major has happened
<buzzmarshall>
both Can and US are being flooded with incoming people for other places in the world where working conditions are very low so when they get here employers hire them quickly as cheap labor is what they want
<emOne>
the markets are rebounding
<buzzmarshall>
Canadas like a US puppet in most ways
<buzzmarshall>
they say jump
<buzzmarshall>
and we say
<buzzmarshall>
how high
<buzzmarshall>
lol
<emOne>
buzzmarshall: I don't think that foreigners are taking your jobs
<buzzmarshall>
tho thats somewhat changing
<emOne>
at least not the ones coming to North America
<buzzmarshall>
for sure there is some of that going on
<emOne>
more and more countries are being competitive
<emOne>
and not just china
<buzzmarshall>
i used to manage a manufacturing facility here for a bout 10 years
<buzzmarshall>
it was US owned
<emOne>
now is it chinese?
<buzzmarshall>
and i watched the the policies for menial labor change
<buzzmarshall>
it went from me being able to directly hire unskilled and skilled help
<buzzmarshall>
to having that removed and changed over to a hiring company that the US owners decided to use
<emOne>
did that work out?
<buzzmarshall>
after that pretty much all the new employees were people in country less then 5 years
<buzzmarshall>
was good for a few years
<emOne>
brb 5 minutes
<buzzmarshall>
then the US owner closed us and moved it all to Mexico
<buzzmarshall>
np
<emOne>
back
<emOne>
but that just goes back to pure economics and competitiveness surely
<emOne>
if someone can do it better and cheaper why not move production
<emOne>
I prefer to order my tv boxes from china
<emOne>
the quality is great and the costs are low
<emOne>
buzzmarshall ^
<buzzmarshall>
go over to ##banditOS and we can talk there without polluting the forum here as were way outside the normal conversations for here and i don't want to offend anyone
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<orzel>
Hello. I'm really confused by version in libreelec. I'm currently running 9.0.2. It's been so for almost one year. On the website i can see mention of 9.2.x
<orzel>
In settings i'm on "Auto", which sounds... ok. I i switch to manual, something weird happen : in the 'channel' list, there's nothing.
<orzel>
The same for the 'versions' list : nothing to choose from.
<orzel>
I know i kinda can update through cli by uploading stuff in some place. But i have the feeling something is broken on my install. Can you confirm it ?
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<mack->
orzel: which hardware? some only support up to 9.0.x currently