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<ravelo> I'm interested to work on Neo900 OS
<ravelo> anyone else here would like to do this?
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<freemangordon> ravelo: define "Neo900 OS" please, as the project is about HW, not SW
<ravelo> OS for Neo900
<ravelo> Meego, Linux, maybe Android
<ravelo> I just wanted to start a discussion
<ravelo> as it's quite silent
<ravelo> here :)
<bleb> Noooo android
<ravelo> hehe
<bleb> I would also be interested to hear about any efforts to build software for Neo900. Aren't they aiming to make it fremantle compatible?
<bleb> or have they really not thought about software at all
<ravelo> Neo900 UG will not develop software
<ravelo> so it must be a community work
<ravelo> I learned about the fremantle porting task force: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
<Joerg-Neo900> Neo900 will be fremantle compatible
<Joerg-Neo900> 100%
<Joerg-Neo900> well, 99.95%
<Joerg-Neo900> the remaining 0.05% are supposed to get fixed with patch jobs run on top of a regular fremantle system image
<ravelo> according to jonwil in the mentioned thread: The 2 biggest missing pieces of the Neo900 software stack from a Maemo point of view are A.The pulseaudio blobs (pulseaudio-modules-nokia-*) which need to be reverse engineered and cloned (...) and B.A replacement for the cellular services daemon that talks the same dbus interfaces as the stock cellular services daemon
<ravelo> Joerg-Neo900, so you think this will be done for sure in final Neo900?
<ravelo> how much work is involved?
<Joerg-Neo900> this isn't correct since for A. PA we have 100% compatible audio hardware. For B. modem it is correct
<ravelo> so only cellular services daemon is needed
<Joerg-Neo900> for modem my suggestion been to start with a SIP<->cellmo adapter that makes mode, look like a SIP account in fremantle's communication apps
<Joerg-Neo900> s/mode,/modem/
<Joerg-Neo900> SIP RTP <-> modem alsa card (PVM), SIP control protocol <-> AT commands to modem
<Joerg-Neo900> doesn't cover SMS
<Joerg-Neo900> in the long run, a proper rewrite of the closed CSD would be fine
<Joerg-Neo900> for A. PA most of the closed Nokia PA plugins already been RE'ed , though we *could* 'steal' the closed blobs from original fremantle and simply run them in Neo900 fremantle
<ravelo> Joerg-Neo900, how much work is this? can you guess?
<Joerg-Neo900> since 'we' (Neo900 UG) "don't ship any software" (except the assistant/BSP), we can't steal any blobs form fremantle, user needs to do that by downloading the fremantle image and extracting them
<ravelo> ok
<Joerg-Neo900> no, I can't tell "how much work2 this is, I just can point out where unsolved issues are pending: None, basically
<Joerg-Neo900> it basically is exactly same work like making a debian or whatever run on an arbitrary platform like beagleboard or whatever
<Joerg-Neo900> it's all there, you just need to *do it*
<Joerg-Neo900> one concern is PVD driver, which is basically freely available in the form of blobs from TI
<Joerg-Neo900> PVR
<Joerg-Neo900> the PVR in Neo900 is the one of N9 rather than the one of N900
<Joerg-Neo900> so in my book it must be possible to 'steal' the N9 PVR driver
<Joerg-Neo900> if you don't want to go though the pain to build your own driver from the stuff TI provides
<Joerg-Neo900> through*
<Joerg-Neo900> a few drivers for new peripherals like the CRTouch multitouch controller etc might need backporting to fremantle ancient kernel
<ravelo> ok
<ravelo> it looks for me as if this will be resolved quickly
<Joerg-Neo900> no big thing for any medium savvy kernel developer
<ravelo> thanks for clearing this up for me
<ravelo> ok
<Joerg-Neo900> yw :-.)
<Joerg-Neo900> the purpose of Neo900 *always* been to be fremantle compatible, so we can use *all* existing apps and knowhow
<ravelo> yes
<Joerg-Neo900> freemangordon often calims we need a new kernel for Neo900. I completely disagree. We would appreciate new kernel but we don't *need* it to start with
<ravelo> it's for sure faster to just use existing fremantle
<ravelo> For me it sounds now that Fremantle could run on v2 also
<ravelo> in short time
<Joerg-Neo900> that been the plan: start with existing fremantle, then do all the needed stuff (like "pulseaudio blobs RE" and whatnot) to turn it into a 100% FOSS OS, then upgrade it to recent kernel etc, then it's *easy* to port *that* to other non-N900-compatible devices
<Joerg-Neo900> yes, fremantle should run on prot_v2 as well
<ravelo> great plan
<Joerg-Neo900> thought so :-)
<ravelo> hehe, we will see
<ravelo> :)
<Joerg-Neo900> right now with devuan freemangordon, parazyd and others are rather doing all of the above steps at once, to make something faintly similar to fremantle run on a platform not even faintly similar to N900
<ravelo> gotta go, thanks for the talk :) cya
<Joerg-Neo900> let me put it this way: N810 had maemo4, N900 had maemo5, N9 had maemo6. What they do now for devuan fremantle is rather maemo8. Neo900 will work just fine with maemo5.0.1
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