<tuxbrain>
wpwrak: for quote pic, components and qty :) yes they have enough :)
<wpwrak>
excellent :)
<tuxbrain>
wpwrak: hurry up with you setup man, wpan is near to hit the real world :)
<tuxbrain>
wpwrak: can you feel the preasure?... If I get ruined four you fault I will search for you man, I have your address :P
<tuxbrain>
Hey SILENT Nanonoters out there how many of you are interested on having a wireless NN and how much are you willing to spend?
<kristianpaul>
tuxbrain: hi
<tuxbrain>
hi kristianpaul
<kristianpaul>
tuxbrain: got ubb, the thing was, the included taxes also to the shipping costs :-(
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: that's unfortunately quite common
<tuxbrain>
sorry dude :(
<kristianpaul>
no problem :-)
<tuxbrain>
but I have to put them on the invoce...
<kristianpaul>
sure?
<kristianpaul>
sharis never did
<tuxbrain>
yep  :(
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: ah, have you send my UBBs yet ? if yes, do you have a tracking number ?
<kristianpaul>
sharism**
<tuxbrain>
maybe in taiwan/china works different, here in spain I have to put in the invoice
<kristianpaul>
but of course everycountru have his laws
<kristianpaul>
sure i understand
<kristianpaul>
well i remenber i had similar issue with TNT when i bought some RFM12b modules..
<tuxbrain>
wpwrak: yes, as far as I know thy should be in clearance on custom, I will give you the track tomorrow when I can ask to courier
<Jay7>
tuxbrain: will it be possible to use wpa2-psk on NN?
<tuxbrain>
jay: wireless != WIFI
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: thanks !
<tuxbrain>
Jay7: I'm talking about the wpan modules
<Jay7>
ah
<Jay7>
I've misunderstood :)
<Jay7>
wish to have remote control handsfree for NN
<tuxbrain>
Jay7: I'm pretty sure you will be not the only one, I have to put a BIG adverticing on wpan devices that they are not to connect to WIFI
<tuxbrain>
remote control handsfree?
<tuxbrain>
you mean IR?
<angelox_123>
Hi all
<tuxbrain>
hi angelox_123
<angelox_123>
i have a question,i don't know if you can answer for me
<angelox_123>
the Mediatek MT6235 can be compared to Mediatek MT6238 ?
<Jay7>
tuxbrain: no, I mean headphones with remote control to play/pause/change tracks
<kristianpaul>
tuxbrain: UBB ARE AWESOME SMALL :-)
<kristianpaul>
nice
<kristianpaul>
happy
<tuxbrain>
kristianpaul: pretty isn't it? :P
<kristianpaul>
yeah
<tuxbrain>
now do somthing fancy a post it somewhere dude :)
<kristianpaul>
:-)
<angelox_123>
any help?
<kristianpaul>
angelox_123: hi
<angelox_123>
kristianpau: hi
<kristianpaul>
steve|m: ^
<angelox_123>
kristianpaul: do you have some idea about that ?
<tuxbrain>
angelox_123: wrong channel
<angelox_123>
sure ?
<angelox_123>
hum
<kristianpaul>
not but may be at #osmocon i think
<tuxbrain>
yeah pretty sure :)
<kristianpaul>
not now !
<kristianpaul>
;-)
<angelox_123>
oh ok
<angelox_123>
sorry,please
<kristianpaul>
no no
<angelox_123>
sorry bother
<kristianpaul>
no no, is okay
<kristianpaul>
mediatek have interesting chips
<tuxbrain>
if kristianpaul is ok then is oke
<tuxbrain>
oke-> ok
<kristianpaul>
angelox_123: are you working this this chips?
<angelox_123>
no-one on #osmocon
<angelox_123>
not exactly
<wejp>
tuxbrain, about the playlist filtering: ive already thought about tht and I ll most likely implement some sort of filtering/searching, but it will probably not be ready with the next release
<angelox_123>
i was working on intel pxa***
<wpwrak>
wolfgang may know something about the mediatek chips
<angelox_123>
i got a phone here and i want to port gnu/linux to it
<wolfspraul>
which according to Wikipedia is "one of the few Wi-Fi chipset manufacturers that provide documentation without a non-disclosure agreement."
<wpwrak>
indeed
<wolfspraul>
so I guess we'll see more integrated Mediatek chipsets with Wi-Fi
<wolfspraul>
similar to Qualcomm acquiring Atheros, I guess
<wpwrak>
any prediction about future RAxxxx openness ?
<wolfspraul>
no idea
<wolfspraul>
in the end these are all proprietary IP companies, they believe in the value of their proprietary IP
<wolfspraul>
at the very best they will 'get' the idea of open APIs/standards, similar to Microsoft had the idea of giving away free SDKs in the 90's
<wolfspraul>
hopefully they will get at least that, yeah
<wpwrak>
also, this sort of monster is a bit of a niche product ...
<wpwrak>
what would be nice is a good arbitrary-size router. someone made one with a toy robot. you let the robot walk to the area where you want to work and then the robot can move around a little and thus control the bit. probably very inaccurate in this case, but improvements would certainly be possible
<wpwrak>
e.g., with a vision system for positioning
<kristianpaul>
wee
<kristianpaul>
I got a RCA male to male cable and the middle of the night :-)
<kristianpaul>
ah wolfgang is gone..
<LunohoD>
larsc: there is an issue in jz4740_nand.c: it should be "cmdlinepart" instead of "cmdline"
<LunohoD>
and I2C_JZ47XX depends on MACH_JZ4740, imho
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: you there? Can I convert that video to ogv and upload to the qi wiki under cc-by/sa ?
<wolfspraul>
as long as the milkymist wiki does not support ogv we should still collect them in ogv somewhere, I believe
<wolfspraul>
that will allow me to use them in news posts, and we can later easily copy/move them to the milkymist wiki too
<larsc>
LunohoD: you are right, I will fix it. thanks
<wolfspraul>
the video looks interesting, but I cannot quite tell where the video picture is :-)
<LunohoD>
larsc: is your new i2c driver for jz47xx not stable? it generates too much debug info ;)
<larsc>
it is not really. it is not clear to me, when the hw generates irqs and the pm doesn't tells me either. the driver has probably to be reworked without irq support.
<tuxbrain>
wolfspraul: (Ardunote Video) 650+ now :P
<kyak>
RNDIS is still not working as of 2.6.37.3
<kyak>
i think it's gone forever :)
<viric>
what is rndis?
<tuxbrain>
viric: to enable usb-ethernet on windows
<Jay7>
kyak: we have .38 now in OE but w/o patches for NN currently
<tuxbrain>
wolfspraul: I'm a bit worried about marketing on atben/atusb
<Jay7>
but anyway I have no time to test before weekend
<tuxbrain>
wolfspraul: when we start selling apart of the testing sofware of wpwrak there will be nothing else
<kyak>
Jay7: i see
<tuxbrain>
wolfspraul: I don't have a clear picture of who in the community is able to develop useful protocol/uses cases on that
<tuxbrain>
wolfspraul: Don't get me wrong, as equal as UBB i feel is something that must be done , and will be done
<roh>
hm. my protoype still isnt delivered
<tuxbrain>
wolfspraul: but the diference that contrary to UBB where I see a clear use case and I was able to manage to do something useful and showable , with atben/atusb is that I don't feel confident to do anything with it and I totally depend on comunity to make to do so, and even I don't know the people and their goals to try to help them to achive or at least give them visibility
<wolfspraul>
yes, good point. I fully agree.
<tuxbrain>
roh: mmmm any customs isue?
<wolfspraul>
we have these discussions with zedstar who may be able to help
<tuxbrain>
any info on zedstar goals/roadmap?
<tuxbrain>
please all nanonote silent listeners out there, If you have anything to say in that (NN wpan) please speak, I need your brain.
<wolfspraul>
I don't have much info on the goals/roadmap, I think it's pretty open
<tuxbrain>
enters zombie mode
<wolfspraul>
I am spread thin among a lot of different things, it will be hard for me to ramp up a lot of time right now.
<wolfspraul>
maybe zedstar will reply later in this channel, that would be cool. then we are all on the same page.
<tuxbrain>
wolfspraul: I know your time constrains, I'm not pushing you at all :) I'm just sharing my worries with the other one that has scratch (heavily) his pocket on this project , :P
<tuxbrain>
for example there is one thing than stills unclear for me, will be atben/atusb zigbee compatible with the appropiate software? without enter on licence or propietary stuff, just technically.
<roh>
tuxbrain: no clue
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul:(video) sure!!, (i think i'll firm a doc autorizing you to dont ask me that always ;-))
<roh>
tuxbrain: its not as if this argentinian tracking woudl do anything sensible
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul: hehe sorry vide was a test i just *suddently* got the cable from a friend
<tuxbrain>
for me is clear or at least I have put my hands on this with the hope one day atben/atusb will be as easy to use as plug and have a  /dev/whatever and configurable though ifconfig to have a network  using 6lowpan
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: but the video-in itself is working? in the video I can hardly tell what it is supposed to be
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul: yes
<wolfspraul>
tuxbrain: I think it is hardware compatible with zigbee, yes. but the software effort is significant.
<kristianpaul>
you sopposed well
<tuxbrain>
but as much I search on 6lowpan the more fear I have this is a loooooong road until we arive, and long road and hardware in stock is fearful situation
<wolfspraul>
yes. the board itself has to be the breakthrough for 6lowpan as well :-)
<wolfspraul>
the good news is that these things are typically moving very slowly. so if 6lowpan takes off, we have x years to market the product.
<tuxbrain>
roh: apart of the envelop (really important also), do you have any goal in mind for atben/atusb?
<roh>
nothing specific yet. i'll see if i have a great idea for a case
<tuxbrain>
wolfspraul: while (good news && very slowly == false){} is not a ethernal loop?
<tuxbrain>
well whatever, gonna make some UBB cable tutorial , when we know the full costs on atben/atusb we will have more material to worry about, so for the record, please any supporter with skills I beg you to ear your voice , I sleep better knowing I'm not alone :)
<wpwrak>
*yawn*
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: any luck with the tracking number ?
<wpwrak>
roh: hey ! one person missing after the quake less :) the wpan kits may still be on their way. snail-mail to europe can sometimes take curious paths.
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: (zigbee) the hw is designed for ieee 802.15.4-2003/2006. ZigBee rides on top of this. so, besides the licensing issue and a bit of software work, speaking zigbee without much of an accent should be no problem.
<wpwrak>
roh: (paths) like argentina -> brazil -> eu-country-1 -> eu-country-2 -> eu-country-3 -> FRA/MUC -> 1-2 days travel within .de
<roh>
wpwrak: mail should work again
<roh>
hrhr.. i see... well.. tracking is kinda stuck
<roh>
and this carrier for germany.. never heard of. no clue how to format the number for their webform
<wpwrak>
roh: (mail) wow, thanks ! what was it ?
<tuxbrain>
wpwrak: (wpan soft devel) yeah my main worry is who will do that software efforts , I will need an step by step guide to do anything with them, develop anything is totally out of my actual skills, and I don't see any clear path/ interest/goals/proposals apart from a little light of hope in zedstar commintment
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: zedstar's plan is for something at the end of 2011 or in 2012, so that won't help
<tuxbrain>
wpwrak: thanks to shut out the little light , now I'm totally blind :P
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: my plan is to get the stuff that's already around to sort of run quickly. it won't be efficient or nice, but it should let you do some things
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: but first i need to do the ubuntu downgrade, the mail migration, prepare the fab files, and prepare some production testing kit. well, the latter can perhaps also wait, depending on the schedule you get from the smt fab.
<tuxbrain>
wants to marry you but he is already married
<viric>
Are people here in 'element-14.com'?
<roh>
wpwrak: not fully sure. somehow the host crashed
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: ;-)
<wpwrak>
roh: hmm. well, i better see the migration through now, given that i've already announced it. at least i'll still be able to recover all those accesses to accounts with throwaway passwords where the de facto password is your email :)
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: also richard sharpe promised to help on the sw side. he won't have time before the end of next week or so, though. his wpan kit arrived yesterday.
<viric>
not many i see
<viric>
:)
<viric>
neither I
<tuxbrain>
this secon cable cost me ages copared to the first one :( , and now I also have a proper connector and a schotty(or watever called) diode....
<wpwrak>
why did it take so much longer ? added complexity ? clumsy day ?
<tuxbrain>
I think is the second one... I think late night is my solder time, today making things stand in place  was very hard....
<wpwrak>
night is much better for this sort of work. everything's quiet, no interruptions, ...
<tuxbrain>
I also burn my skin twice and the hot glue gun has broken(use to happen with crap cheap tools)
<tuxbrain>
but well is done and I think I have good video material that was the objective
<wpwrak>
art must suffer :)
<wpwrak>
roh: nice example for circuitous postal routes: UPS from barcelona to buenos aires: barcelona - cologne - miami - el salvador - costa rica - buenos aires
<tuxbrain>
wpwrak: you have UBB yet?
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: nope, still waiting
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: UPS online tracking hasn't any update for today yet either. so i don't know if they're already on their way or not. sometimes, a courier logs an event but only updates the tracking several hours later, so that doesn't say much. we'll see.
<kyak>
the error messages are less than informative
<kyak>
*messages from cmake
<wpwrak>
now .. let's see if that ubuntu downgrade works ... best case: i'll be up in 5 min with everything back to normal. worst case: total reinstall from cd.
<panda|x201>
wolfspraul, ping
<C-Keen>
does anyone know if the spectec sdw 823 is available in europe? (if so, where?)
<wolfspraul>
panda|x201: what's up?
<wolfspraul>
C-Keen: maybe pulster.de still has some, although he is asking for an extortionist price :-)
<C-Keen>
wow 89 EUR
<C-Keen>
wolfspraul: but thanks for the hint
<wpwrak>
wolfspraul: i'm very happy that the wlan card is so expensive ;-)
<C-Keen>
wpwrak: who come?
<wpwrak>
C-Keen: because if it was cheaper, it would be hard to position the wpan cards. we have low volume, so the production cost will be high in comparison.
<C-Keen>
Sorry, I don't understand the meaning of position here
<C-Keen>
oh now I see
<lekernel>
microsd wifi?
<lekernel>
impressive
<lekernel>
what's inside? one big chip?
<wolfspraul>
oh sure, they had it for years
<wolfspraul>
small Japanese startup, Taiwanese microSD packaging firm
<wolfspraul>
but it's all dead now :-)
<wolfspraul>
the Japanese startup went out of business, half the people were let go, and the engineering team sucked up by Renesas
<lekernel>
ever torn one of those down?
<C-Keen>
wpwrak: what's a wpan card?
<wolfspraul>
Renesas has since discontinued stand-alone wifi products and the engineering team has been absorbed into Renesas large communication chips
<wolfspraul>
meanwhile on the packaging side, the microSD card also never took off because Windows Mobile had some blocks in place against SDIO, probably on pressure from network operators
<wolfspraul>
so Spectec could never make enough to recoup their costs either
<wolfspraul>
we recently moved the script and forgot the redirects
<C-Keen>
hm... I am waiting for the graphical yadda yadda to load for quite a while now after I've quite my bash
<C-Keen>
guess it is still a bit unstable :)
<wolfspraul>
don't understand. you mean on your Ben?
<wolfspraul>
are you reflashing? booting? something else?
<C-Keen>
I was just opening a shell to setup networking for file transfer, then quit the shell with ctrl-d
<C-Keen>
and then it hung. I have started the shell by selecting /bin/bash in the 'explorer' thingy
<wolfspraul>
maybe you try ctrl-alt-f5
<wolfspraul>
I've seen a few cases where the screen seems to get stuck on the wrong side of console/graphics (ctrl-alt-f1 vs. ctrl-alt-f5)
<tuxbrain>
wpwrak: succed on downgrading?
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: yeah. went pretty smoothly. i just copied /bin, /usr, /etc, and so on over from a backup, then ran an upgrade within 10.04
<wpwrak>
now is ups came, that would wrap up the day nicely. it's already 16 o'clock ...
<tuxbrain>
:) tell me your first (and then the ponderated) impressions :)
<wpwrak>
err, sorry. s/is/if/Â Â i.e., they haven't shown up yet
<tuxbrain>
of course when they arrive dude :)
<wpwrak>
at least on your picture they look quite good. even the 3 mil lines are clear. the solder mask is visibly shifted, but well within the 0.1 mm tolerance.
<wpwrak>
hehee, UPS just arrived :) now let's examine these boards ...
<kristianpaul>
have doubts about the difference between IF central Freq and IF in general...
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: UBB ! :-)
<kristianpaul>
are spreading over the world it seems :-)
<wpwrak>
ah, so the ben's 8:10 slot does have a locking mechanism. first time i see it work ;-)
<kristianpaul>
;-)
<kristianpaul>
yeah i wondered too
<wpwrak>
seems that the pcb fab misunderstood the solder mask instructions for the back. the idea was that they should cover it completely with solder mask. well, in the case of UBB, it doesn't matter (in fact, it may even work a little bit better with the ground exposed), but for atben and atusb, we have to make sure they get it right.
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: heh, even 54 units :)
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: your invoice is indeed a little unusual. i don't think you have to list the shipping as if it was an item per se. normally, you have a list of the goods, a sub-total, then the shipping, etc., and a final total.
<wpwrak>
in some cases, it may make a difference if customs think it's all the value of the goods or if shipping is clearly separated
<kristianpaul>
ha
<kristianpaul>
shipping - <-- :D
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: i bet they dont go to details just check *total* and aply their evil maths..
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: at least here, it seems pretty random what they do. well, if they include shipping, that seems to be consistent with regulations
<kristianpaul>
same here, i also think is reduntat declare shipping if the carrier invoice already have it.
<kristianpaul>
redundant*
<wpwrak>
tuxbrain: ah, and the address had "tuxbrain" as _my_ company name :)
<kristianpaul>
huh? really
<kristianpaul>
we have new tuxbrain distributor in argentina ;-)
<kristianpaul>
surelly for Colombia too :D
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: viral distribution: make each of your customers a franchise as well ;-)
<viric>
Today Farnell sent a letter to us about a possible short on stock from japan