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<kyak> and that's the first time i heard "wprak" pronounced. It's like "double-u-pi-rak", when in my head i used to say "vi-pi-rak" :)
<larsc> I'll stay with the later, much more fluent
<viric> I pronounce it "brac" or "beprac" (бэпр'ак)
<kyak> viric: why is "b" the first sound? did you mean "v" (вэпрак)?
<viric> most catalans, like spaniards, don't distinguish b and v :)
<viric> and on start of word, that's always 'b'
<kyak> ah! :)
<viric> my friends say "it's incredible that you make sound Barcelona and València the same way" :)
<viric> like korean, we make one sound at start of word, another between vowels. And none is like в
<viric> koreans don't have d/t distinction. Between vocals they use to do 'd', else 't'.
<viric> but it is one single letter for them.
<viric> (koreans please confirm :)
<kyak> so you do say "Balencia"? :)
<viric> yes
<viric> although specifically the catalans of València do distinguish b/v :)
<kyak> what a useless letter then, v :)
<viric> as years pass by, we need less letters ;)
<viric> we have troubles to know what to write, b or v
<kyak> let's merge w and v. Then merge v and b :)
<viric> we don't have w
<viric> here, careless english pronouncers say "gu" instead of "w". :)
<viric> kyak: just for foreign words taken straight, like 'k'.
<viric> we is pronounced гуи.
<kyak> goddamn, not even close to how it is written down :)
<viric> we have value → гуи хаф балъю
<viric> твёрдом ел
<kyak> it's like you have a nose disease :)
<viric> :)
<viric> Russian: ви ав валю
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<kyak> ви хэв вэлью
<viric> ah, that's more USA. :)
<kyak> that's hwo a bad english teacher would say
<viric> a → з
<kyak> yeah, it's more american english
<kyak> э, not з :)
<viric> oops yes
<kyak> there is a joke about how one russian would argue with american that it is possible to write down "3" in lower case
<viric> Italian: ви авва валъюа
<viric> hehe
<kyak> and then he would write russian letter "ze" - з
<viric> I like how you turn 180° the hour in km/h ;)
<viric> looks like a print typo
<kyak> sorry, i didn't get it - "180° the hour" ?
<viric> км/ч
<kyak> but 180°?..
<viric> h → ч
<viric> pi radians
<kyak> maybe my perseption is biased, i don't get it :)
<viric> upside-down
<viric> вверх ногами
<kyak> i took a paper and a pencil
<viric> :D
<kyak> i get it that ч is upside-down h
<viric> that's all
<viric> a 180° turn
<viric> pi radians turn
<kyak> ok, i got it --)
<viric> ha :)
<kyak> i was thinking at first about coversion from "180° the hour" to "km/h"
<viric> you never thought that km/h and км/ч have one letter upside down?
<kyak> which doesn't really make sense
<kyak> nope, i didn't
<viric> :)
<viric> interesting perception
<kyak> tht's really fucking cray
<viric> край?
<kyak> i'll show some foreigner my speedometer
<viric> edge-thinking ? :)
<viric> hehe
<kyak> i'll tell him - look, there is a typo. Letter "h" is upside down
<viric> hehe
<kyak> i get a feeeling about how foreigners see cyrillic when i look at greek text
<kyak> i think so
<viric> fair comparison
<kyak> because it's like "letters are similar, but some look very strange
<viric> or gothic germa
<viric> gothic german
<viric> in which larsc helps me :)
<kyak> viric: looks like a regular german to me :)
<viric> he is, by far, the german which understands that text best.
<viric> most tell me "I don't know gothic"
<kyak> same way, a latin man wouldn't probably see a difference between greek and cyrillic
<viric> not much, no.
<kyak> ok, gotta go now. Nice discussion
<viric> :) пока!
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<DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
<infobot> 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss
<DocScrutinizer51> anybody wolfgang lately?
<DocScrutinizer51> anybody seen wolfgang lately?
<DocScrutinizer51> ooh, and greetings from wpwrak :D
<DocScrutinizer51> anybody seen wolfgang lately?
<DocScrutinizer51> ooh, and greetings from wpwrak :D
<pcercuei> he's in Germany?
<DocScrutinizer51> yes
<DocScrutinizer51> we're both at cccamp15
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<DocScrutinizer51> anybody seen wolfgang spraul lately?
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<DocScrutinizer51> anybody seen wolfgang spraul lately?
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<DocScrutinizer51> larsc: you're around?
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<larsc> sure
<larsc> but not at the camp
<larsc> if you mean that
<DocScrutinizer51> hi! anybody around?
<DocScrutinizer51> hi! anybody around?
* dos1 is
<DocScrutinizer51> hi
<dos1> hmm, infobot went off at 16:59 in netsplit and didn't return
<DocScrutinizer51> could you send a mail to wolfgang with my cellphone number
<DocScrutinizer51> dos1: Sorry I can't remote-reboot it
<dos1> DocScrutinizer51: last e-mail from him in my inbox is from 2012 and sharism.cc domain, I suppose it may be out of date
<DocScrutinizer51> dos1: do you know WolfSpraul's email addr?
<dos1> DocScrutinizer51: check query
<DocScrutinizer51> sorry no query zarrived. betwork very flaky
<DocScrutinizer51> dos1: it seems neither infobot nor apt is online, please check purl
* eintopf is