02:55 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: so, remember you argued about incandescent vs CFL/LED lighting and offsetting of heating costs during winter?

02:56 <whitequark> i've realized that the cost of W of heating via electricity is going to be much higher versus via gas or cogeneration

02:57 <whitequark> in... probably everywhere except someone with free natural gas, like, i dunno, russia? but russia has cogeneration everywhere.

03:02 <wpwrak> whitequark: unless you have a nice little "planwirtschaft", like in communist countries like argentina, where prices have nothing to do with cost. there, the e-kw can be some order of magnitude cheaper than gas for no reasonable cause

03:04 <whitequark> does argentina push for more efficient lighting?

03:06 <wpwrak> sure. a few years ago, there's been a great push towards CFL. so we have all the time bombs in the world now :)

03:07 <whitequark> amazing

03:08 <wpwrak> it was perfectly times: maybe a year later, adequate LED technology would have been available also here.

03:11 <whitequark> you could say you were plan-wirt-schafted