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mbj >
whitequark: hah I'm back, took me 2 hours, and I ended up in the buero again ;)
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mbj >
whitequark: And no, no time for talking about the parser, have to deal with operations...
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mbj >
whitequark: But, lets talk about ;)
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rking >
(The payoff is within the first ten minutes)
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how can I know if an object can be serialized by Marshal w/o checking for a TypeError?
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r0bgleeson >
the docs mention _dump, marshal_dump, but neither of those seem defined on String
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"".method(:dump) works, respond_to?/respond_to_missing does not. weird.
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and Proc.new{}.method(:dump) raises a NameError, ugh
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r0bgleeson >
aha, so, it tries marshal_dump first, then _dump
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nXqd >
hi guys how can I define a prerequisite for precompile task in rails
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nXqd >
I'm looking for a way to use bower in rails on heroku
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judofyr >
nXqd: you can always define your own task: task :hello => [:do_stuff_1, :precompile]
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nXqd >
judofyr: yeah, but how can we invoke it when being initialized with heroku
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nXqd >
since the only idea I have is making another task which can run before precompile in rails
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nXqd >
injekt: hi there :
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judofyr >
nXqd: I'd try #rubyonrails
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nXqd >
oops ! wrong channel :)
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nXqd >
thanks judofyr
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injekt >
soup judofyr
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judofyr >
injekt: working. implemented Glicko-2 yesterday
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injekt >
judofyr: what's that? sounds familiar
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judofyr >
injekt: chess rating system
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judofyr >
injekt: we're going to use it for the ping-pong table here at work
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injekt >
judofyr: that's awesome
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lazywei >
how can i convert a single quote string into double quote?
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injekt >
lazywei: what?
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lazywei >
how can i convert t to t1
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lazywei >
the dirty & quick sol i using is
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lazywei >
eval('"' + t1 + '"')
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darix >
wouldnt that be t1 -> t
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darix >
and not t -> t1 ?
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lazywei >
oops, you'r right
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lazywei >
i want to convert t1 => t
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whitequark >
ping who
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ddfreyne >
ping all the things!
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judofyr >
I was trying to see if the internet worked
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injekt >
well, in that case
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matti >
judofyr: People are watching.
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matti >
judofyr: I cannot pong you in public.
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judofyr >
I like how none of you actually pong'd me with my nick…
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judofyr >
except for matti in a different channel
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injekt >
you want a lot
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matti >
judofyr: Because I am the ebst ;p
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judofyr >
heck, even "judofry" would have been okay
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judofyr >
matti: it's true. you're the ebst.
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* matti
stabs judofyr
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whitequark >
judofyr: do you have a highlight on judofry? ;0:p
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injekt >
I have one on inkjet too :(
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matti >
injekt: injekt injekt
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<
matti >
Does it beep every time?
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matti >
It would be nice to annoy you ;p
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whitequark >
judofyr: skjermbilde?
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<
matti >
What is this?
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judofyr >
whitequark: literally: screen picture
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<
judofyr >
skjerm = screen, bilde = picture :)
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<
judofyr >
whitequark: and now you know Norwegian!
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<
injekt >
way better than rosetta stone
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whitequark >
judofyr: awesome
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* whitequark
needs to finally start learning german
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<
whitequark >
hey judofyr
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<
judofyr >
hey quark
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<
whitequark >
I want to discuss my shitty architecture with someone to make it less shitty
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mbj >
whitequark: morning, you received my messages last night?
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<
whitequark >
mbj: yeah I was sleeping already
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mbj >
whitequark: Hah, I also hoped to hit bed early, no chance.
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judofyr >
whitequark: I'm a bit busy, but just talk and I'll look over it :)
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whitequark >
which is basically .y reduction rules being externalized from the grammars themselves
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<
whitequark >
it currently does a fine job creating the AST nodes, but what it also needs to do is to set proper source maps
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whitequark >
a source map is an object attached to an AST node, composed of several source ranges. source maps also extend a base object, Source::Map, which only defines one range, `expression`
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<
whitequark >
þe builder needs to take "elementary" source ranges, say, in case of an expression 1+1, those of the numbers, and "join" them into another source range, which would cover all the expression
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whitequark >
the question is how to do that, without filling the already not-so-small builder class with even more boilerplate
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<
llaskin >
hi i am getting an error when installing a gem " undefined method `spec' for nil:NilClass"
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<
llaskin >
any suggestions?
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<
gnufied >
which gem?
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<
llaskin >
ruby-debug-base19-0.11.26.gem
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<
llaskin >
googling for that error hasn't helped...
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<
gnufied >
looks like a hosed spec more than anything else
12:47
<
gnufied >
hosed gemspec I mean
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<
gnufied >
or may not be compatible with your version of Ruby
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<
gnufied >
ruby-debug has all sort of compatbility problems
12:48
<
llaskin >
... i know
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<
gnufied >
which version of ruby?
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<
spike|spiegel >
here's what you probably save with: ruby < 1.9 ruby-debug , 1.9 - debuuger .. 2.0 debugger2
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<
spike|spiegel >
s/save/safe/
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<
llaskin >
1.9.3-392
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<
llaskin >
debuuger?
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<
andrewvos >
debooger
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<
whitequark >
require 'debug'?
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<
whitequark >
besides
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<
whitequark >
what is the value of a debugger?
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andrewvos >
whitequark: For debugging
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<
whitequark >
andrewvos: I don't think I have ever encountered a problem in Ruby in my life which actually required using a debugger
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<
andrewvos >
whitequark: Yeah I was joking really
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<
andrewvos >
I like tests
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<
whitequark >
I mean, yes, there are cases where you have memory corruption in C, or you can have a device with 4K of RAM and no fast I/O, or whatever. but in Ruby you can log and filter unlimited amount of stuff
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whitequark >
thanks to the ridiculously powerful hardware
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cHarNe2 >
hi guys, im using Curses and would like to direct different output to different windows. Can i use Logger for this in some way?
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darix >
cHarNe2: if you can make those windows behave like ruby IO handles
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<
whitequark >
there really should be a layer of abstraction above/below IO
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whitequark >
so that you could easily make your own mock IO instances
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ddfreyne >
whitequark: +1
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<
whitequark >
would probably help structuring the stdlib, too
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<
ddfreyne >
Creating custom mock IOs
*sucks*
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<
whitequark >
(... something I'm planning to do in Foundry...)
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<
ddfreyne >
What's Foundry?
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ddfreyne >
I had to do this to create a custom IO that strips out ANSI colors and UTF-8 chars :(
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<
whitequark >
ummm winsize
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whitequark >
>> $stdout.winsize
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eval-in >
whitequark => /tmp/execpad-e1aa44a5bfc5/source-e1aa44a5bfc5:2:in `<main>': undefined method `winsize' for #<IO:<STDOUT>> (NoMethodError) (
http://eval.in/16829)
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ddfreyne >
>> $stdout.winsize = 123
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<
eval-in >
ddfreyne => /tmp/execpad-20e41e6be080/source-20e41e6be080:2:in `<main>': undefined method `winsize=' for #<IO:<STDOUT>> (NoMethodError) (
http://eval.in/16830)
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whitequark >
19>> $stdout.winsize
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eval-in >
whitequark => /tmp/execpad-b366b65ad482/source-b366b65ad482:2:in `<main>': undefined method `winsize' for #<IO:<STDOUT>> (NoMethodError) (
http://eval.in/16831)
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<
ddfreyne >
>> RUBY_VERSION
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<
ddfreyne >
>> require 'io/console' ; $stdin.winsize
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<
whitequark >
this is... sad
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<
ddfreyne >
winsize does exist :(
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<
ddfreyne >
On a... IO stream >_<
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whitequark >
>> require 'io/console'; IO.methods.grep(/winsize/)
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<
whitequark >
>> require 'io/console'; IO.instance_methods.grep(/winsize/)
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<
whitequark >
>> require 'io/console'; $stdout.methods.grep(/winsize/)
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<
whitequark >
in unrelated news... canada post sucks. royally.
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ddfreyne >
whitequark: So yeha, I need to forward #winsize and #winsize= or nanoc crashes when you resize the terminal window :D
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ddfreyne >
whitequark: :D
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ddfreyne >
whitequark: Maybe we need a Ruby NIO ;)
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* whitequark
looks at NIO spec
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whitequark >
yep, good ide
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<
whitequark >
it maps very well on the DMA primitive operations, which is... unsurprising
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whitequark >
since NIO is basically a high-level interface for a high-level OS interface which exposes DMA to the applications :)
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mbj >
whitequark: When we talk about nio, I'd argument we also need a ByteArray!
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whitequark >
well, that kind of a ByteArray can be implemented without adding anything to the core language
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injekt >
lets add BufferedReader classes too
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whitequark >
injekt: ruby's IO class is already buffered
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injekt >
whitequark: it was a joke
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mbj >
whitequark: Yeah, implementers need to do it. But ideally with a shared interface ;)
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whitequark >
mbj: you can write a gem
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mbj >
whitequark: I dont think it will be fast enough when doing this in pure ruby.
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whitequark >
mbj: use a Cext/JavaExt
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<
whitequark >
besides... I do think you can use ruby's Strings as byte arrays and this will be fast enough for most tasks
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whitequark >
they're mutable anyway
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mbj >
whitequark: I have to give them a try before wasting time with a ByteArray ;)
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<
ddfreyne >
Strings should not b emutable :(
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whitequark >
ddfreyne: ruby's solution is "good enough"
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<
whitequark >
but yeah, allocations :(
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mbj >
whitequark: You are in the, "dont change a good enough system" camp?
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whitequark >
mbj: I'm in the "it's not horribly broken" camp
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<
ddfreyne >
There's plenty of stuff in Ruby that could be impoved
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mbj >
whitequark: This is good, but I like to dream about the "ideal ruby" camp ;)
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mbj >
whitequark: You are correct, ruby is the least broken language in that area. (python / perl / ...)
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<
whitequark >
it's an... um... pretty generalizing statement :)
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<
ddfreyne >
Nothing's quite as bad as PHP
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whitequark >
every day is a php hate day
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ddfreyne >
whitequark: rightfully so!
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<
whitequark >
oh neeat, Hash[:foo] will no longer silently return {} in 2.1
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whitequark >
>> Hash[:foo]
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eval-in >
whitequark => /tmp/execpad-377699a42b6a/source-377699a42b6a:2:in `[]': odd number of arguments for Hash (ArgumentError) ... (
http://eval.in/16849)
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<
whitequark >
>> Hash[[:foo]]
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<
eval-in >
whitequark => /tmp/execpad-ba3cef77cd5d/source-ba3cef77cd5d:2: warning: wrong element type Symbol at 0 (expected array) ... (
http://eval.in/16850)
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<
Swimming_Bird >
i need to share a variable amongst a class and all its subclasses, i also want to add the methods that use the variable by including a module. I tried class variables (@@var) but it's shared between all classes that include the module
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whitequark >
Swimming_Bird: you need to override #inherited
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<
Swimming_Bird >
yah, but what do i do there
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Swimming_Bird >
do i define the class variable w/in an eval in there?
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whitequark >
depends on the exact semantics you need
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<
gnufied >
Swimming_Bird: you want to conditionally make the variable available?
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<
gnufied >
can you give a example? like in pseudo code (it not necessarily should work)
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<
Swimming_Bird >
gisting now
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<
Swimming_Bird >
gnufied: posted gist ^
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<
whitequark >
judofyr: mbj: here is what I have for BEGIN{}:
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<
whitequark >
def preexe(preexe_t, lbrace_t, compstmt, rbrace_t)
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<
whitequark >
n(:preexe, [ compstmt ],
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<
whitequark >
kw_block_map(l(preexe_t), l(lbrace_t), l(rbrace_t)))
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<
whitequark >
compare w/ s(:preexe, compstmt)
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<
Swimming_Bird >
is uppose i could store it in an instance varaible ont he class level and copy it over on inherit
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gnufied: thanks
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Hi, any ideas of openssl private/public key auth on ruby?
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Hi, I have a gem that I would like to get working on Windows. It serializes an object in a separate process (executed with Open3) then deserializes it in the main process. When I run it, it tells me "marshal data too short" I've found a lot of posts with this problem, but haven't found anything that describes the underlying cause so that I can figure out how to fix it. Anyone familiar with this issue or have recommendations?
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I'm runing it on 2.0, if that's relevant.
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When I swap it from Marshal to YAML, it works fine, but YAML doesn't serialize the backtraces in exceptions, so I'll have to hack that in place if I want to use it.
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sixty-seven nodes to write source map processing for
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not so much if you think about it... writing 4100KLOC of tests was worse
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er, 4.1KLOC
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whitequark: heh
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whitequark: How do you plan to implement the source map switch?
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whitequark: That part of the code that gets switched off when not capturing source maps. I think it is a setting in the builder?
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whitequark: Do we have a specified builder public API currently?
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mbj: yes
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except I want to have two builder subclasses
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lemme push what I have now
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whitequark: nice!
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mbj: pushed
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it's very hacky though
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uncomment line 11 in map/collection.rb; then, echo "[ 1, 2, 3 + 4, "foo".bar(:baz) ]" >foo.rb; ./bin/locate-parse foo.rb
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whitequark: yeah
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whitequark: BTW I was contacted by some new clients, and my current clients job is finished soon!
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whitequark: I see light ;)
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grrr, I want to write my code as if something was to optimize indirection away
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like, I dunno, a compiler
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I don't like the current performance of parser.
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hey injekt
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can I append something to the help text with Slop.parse(help: true)
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