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zenspider >
zzak: because that's what we need... more syntax.
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zenspider >
fuck me
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zenspider >
matti: I accept your patch. happy birthday
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matti >
zenspider: :)
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matti >
It got stuck at FileUtils.
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matti >
Which does not seem to have a maintainer now.
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matti >
I guess, patches won't apply cleanly after 8 months anyway.
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matti >
zenspider: Thanks for the birthday wishes :) Really kind ;]
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henrikhodne >
I seem to remember there being a shortcut for `-> (x) { obj.foo(x) }` (or `-> (x) { x.foo(obj) }`). I know of &:foo, but isn't there another similar thing too?
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matti >
henrikhodne: Not sure in this case.
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whitequark >
henrikhodne: no
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whitequark >
well, &obj.method(:foo)
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whitequark >
but that's hardly shorter/easier to read
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henrikhodne >
Yeah, I must've thought of something else then.
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yorickpeterse >
morning
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matti >
Hey yorickpeterse
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maloik >
any ideas ?
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maloik >
not getting any errors on rake install or anything
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charliesome >
hey everyone, is it possible to have a development dependency in a gemspec that is only for a specific ruby?
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charliesome >
eg. I want to depend on some gem only on MRI
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charliesome >
ah yeah, that's in the gemfile though
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charliesome >
actually i suppose I'll just do that
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charliesome >
screw rubygems development dependencies
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soahccc >
ohh sorry overlooked that
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soahccc >
but this should be also possible
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charliesome >
i think i'll just rip my gemspec dev deps out into the Gemfile
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soahccc >
Hmm I did that some times, maybe for the same reason
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yorickpeterse >
charliesome: no
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charliesome >
yorickpeterse: no in reply to what?
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yorickpeterse >
You can use if/else and what not like any normal Ruby code, but I don't think that works for anything but building the Gem
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yorickpeterse >
(gemspec)
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judofyr >
charliesome: +1. Gemfile is much better than gemspec development dependency
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andrewvos >
morning everyone
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yorickpeterse >
get_and_parse_json_from_url(user_profile_path)["d"].first
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yorickpeterse >
who the fuck names the hash keys "d"
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charliesome >
yorickpeterse: mongodb people
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yorickpeterse >
No no
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yorickpeterse >
we just name them "r" and "v"
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yorickpeterse >
(I'm not kidding)
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charliesome >
because there's no key deduplication? :p
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yorickpeterse >
luckily that's only in one field collection
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yorickpeterse >
it saves space apparently
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charliesome >
yeah, lol
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yorickpeterse >
I wonder how much in this case, lets see
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charliesome >
they should write mongo in ruby, use symbols, and be more efficient
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse wants the "d"
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yorickpeterse >
Saves us 300MB
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yorickpeterse >
which for a 100GB DB is not really worth it being annoying
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andrewvos >
Pretty scared of mongo lately after people started posting the code on twitter
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yorickpeterse >
it's shit
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soahccc >
andrewvos: which code? o.O
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yorickpeterse >
whispers are being spread around here that we're tempted to move back to Ye Olde SQL
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yorickpeterse >
since we now actually have a pretty decent structure of our data
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: Ye Olde SQL? You mean MySql or Postgres?
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andrewvos >
soahccc: hang on...
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yorickpeterse >
Yes
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yorickpeterse >
MySQL probably since RDS doesn't do Mongo
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yorickpeterse >
errr Postgres
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yorickpeterse >
lol
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andrewvos >
soahccc: That's the line people spread around the most
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yorickpeterse >
I think the biggest Mongo lol of this year was when we removed and then re-added 2 mil records
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yorickpeterse >
Completely fucked up all indexes of the entire DB
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yorickpeterse >
I even made a funny picture for it
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: Masochist
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andrewvos >
What does the light blue icon represent yorickpeterse?
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yorickpeterse >
That's our company logo
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: Who do you work for?
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yorickpeterse >
yarly
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andrewvos >
Wow cool looking site
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yorickpeterse >
(I see what you did there)
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yorickpeterse >
The site is pretty slow btw, lol wordpress
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andrewvos >
What I really meant was the product looks cool
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andrewvos >
The site is perhaps a bit too busy
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yorickpeterse >
it's being redone in the future I believe
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yorickpeterse >
Which reminds me, we still need to set up our tech blag
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andrewvos >
Tech blogs: I always find myself thinking "who is this company" and then I try to click around but they never have a link to their homepage in the header
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yorickpeterse >
andrewvos: it wouldn't really be focused on who we are
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yorickpeterse >
but more on noteworthy things we'd do
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yorickpeterse >
e.g. wrapping Java/Python/Perl in Ruby!@
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* yorickpeterse
runs
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andrewvos >
you better run boyy
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andrewvos >
To be honest I wrapped python in go the other day
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andrewvos >
I don't see a problem
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yorickpeterse >
we ship it
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yorickpeterse >
in gems
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yorickpeterse >
yolo
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maloik >
why do you have to do that ?
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yorickpeterse >
I actually wrote an entire Gem to make that build process easier, should be open sauce at some point
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maloik >
honest question, I simply don't know
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yorickpeterse >
maloik: makes installation easier
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yorickpeterse >
"gem install foobar" versus" 1. Find your package manager, if you have any 2. Install whatever you need 3. sudo pip lolwtfpython 4. gem install foobar"
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: I wrapped pygments in go
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: No other way to do it really
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andrewvos >
I'm not having my code do a fucking `pip install` on production :/
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yorickpeterse >
yeah
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yorickpeterse >
exactly
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yorickpeterse >
plus fucking pip doesn't do user installs properly
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andrewvos >
And I'm not rewriting pygments in go hahahahaahah
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yorickpeterse >
BECAUSE GOD FORBID DEVIATING FROM THE PATH OF THE GUIDO
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<
Nilium >
.. He totally is.
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andrewvos >
Nilium: HOW DO YOU KNOW ARE YOU WATCHING ME
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* Nilium
scampers out of the tree and hides.
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andrewvos >
Ok I did think about it. I'll put that out there.
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Nilium >
I wonder what it'd be like to reimplement Lua in Go.
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yorickpeterse >
it would be slow
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yorickpeterse >
well, slower
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Nilium >
Well, almost definitely.
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Nilium >
The folks working on Lua have kind of done everything they could to squeeze every last drop out of the interpreter.
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Nilium >
Interpreter/VM.
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andrewvos >
Reimplement lua in lua
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yorickpeterse >
already done
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Nilium >
I think that's been done
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Nilium >
Could implement Lua in Ruby and watch both grind to a halt simultaneously.
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yorickpeterse >
not if you write it in C for speed
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yorickpeterse >
oh wait
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Nilium >
Oddly enough, it's probably pretty simple to write Lua bindings for Ruby.
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Nilium >
Why you'd ever do that, though, is beyond me
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heftig >
write it in Rust
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Nilium >
I want to like Rust but it doesn't want to like me.
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ljarvis >
maloik: you installed it?
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maloik >
installed what ?
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ljarvis >
gem build foo.gemspec; gem install foo-1.x.gem
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maloik >
if you're referring to the gist I pasted, figured it out
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maloik >
thanks :-)
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yorickpeterse >
oi quick dumb question, the "mean" is the average right?
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yorickpeterse >
(of a set of numbers)
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yorickpeterse >
yeah seems so, derp
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maloik >
letters starting to dance before my eyes
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maloik >
might have to head home if this keeps up
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yorickpeterse >
or drink less booze at the job
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maloik >
havent had anything to drink since saturday :(
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maloik >
maybe I need to drink more booze...
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ljarvis >
im going to a wedding
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ljarvis >
like.. now, actually. See ya
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yorickpeterse >
don't punch the groom
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ljarvis >
or bang the wife, amirite
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yorickpeterse >
ljarvis: wat
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Nilium >
It's better not to ask so you're not targeted later
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yorickpeterse >
bah, benchmarking concurrency is tricky business
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maloik >
ugh dying, is it winter yet ?
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gnufied >
well Mr. Poirot. I am from India. deal with it.
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yorickpeterse >
tarehdgni
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<
yorickpeterse >
Tempted to create a gem called thread-ploo
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maloik >
gnufied: respect, I wouldn't be able to handle the heat I think
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maloik >
although on the other hand, you're probably used to it right? this weather is an extreme for us
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<
gnufied >
is it especially hot this year in Europe?
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maloik >
you might suffer the same way in 15 degree weather (unless I'm really misjudging the climate in India)
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gnufied >
I hear lot of folks complaining
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maloik >
dunno about 'this year' but today and yesterday are really hot, and last 2 weeks as well
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gnufied >
15ºC cold? nah - that is fine.
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<
gnufied >
I would defentiely run like hell on −15 ºC though
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gnufied >
definitely*
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<
gnufied >
yorickpeterse: what will the gem do?
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<
yorickpeterse >
randomly bre
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<
yorickpeterse >
* break
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yorickpeterse >
(no pun intended there)
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<
yorickpeterse >
also lololol MRI and thread pools
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<
gnufied >
that sounds awfully like reinventing the wheel
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<
gnufied >
there is rails, bundler.
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yorickpeterse >
two soon
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gnufied >
well, if you are bitten by NIH, go for it.
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yorickpeterse >
well then, it appears that my thread ploo is doing quite well in production
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<
yorickpeterse >
even on MRI there's a 2x performance boost
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<
maloik >
yorickpeterse: what does it do ?
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<
yorickpeterse >
lots of waiting for IO
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<
yorickpeterse >
pulls data from an API, does some magic, then shoves it in a DB
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darix >
you could be cool and use fibers or eventmachine in that case.
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yorickpeterse >
haha, EM
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<
yorickpeterse >
I'd rather have legos for breakfast
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maloik >
i'd still rather eat them than step on them barefooted though
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<
yorickpeterse >
I prefer a wound in my foot than internal bleedings
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<
yorickpeterse >
you can't really begin/rescue the latter as well
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whitequark >
EM is OK but don't, ever, touch fibers.
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whitequark >
was burned by them really badly, debugged it for like two weeks, just gave up at the end.
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ericwood >
fibers usually don't get hot enough to burn you
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whitequark >
I've to this day have no idea why it broke, or how to fix it.
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whitequark >
well, EM::Synchrony.
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ericwood >
you must be using them wrong
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whitequark >
specifically.
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* ericwood
loves EM but has no reason to use it for anything he does
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* lianj
finds enough reason
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<
ericwood >
a friend of mine wrote a really intense IRC bot using EM
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ericwood >
it scales quite well
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ericwood >
...for an IRC bot >.<
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lianj >
its just a nice socket api and things like open_keyboard, connect_unix_domain, etc all wrapped in the same api is very nice
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whitequark >
it's not exactly nice without fibers
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whitequark >
or monads :]
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whitequark >
in other words, without some way to avoid callback hell
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whitequark >
like, it's just a fancy epoll wrapper otherwise.
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whitequark >
but synchrony doesn't work so fuck it
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lianj >
there is nothing bad about callbacks
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tubbo >
RubyGems is throwing errors saying it's not a valid source anymore..
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lianj: well that's an issue i've been trying to solve actually. i'm doing this installation through Chef and for some reason, i can't get
https://rubygems.org to be added as a source
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whitequark >
lianj: unreadable code
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whitequark >
look at nodejs folks. even they decided on it a looong time ago.
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ericwood >
we don't talk about those people
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tubbo >
i have serious doubts :P
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jroes >
is it idiomatic ruby to instantiate a class given an argument that may be of a varying type? for example, something that may accept a JSON string or a Hash, but might convert it from JSON to a Hash before storing it in an instance variable?
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tubbo >
the bad part about callbacks is people using them improperly
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tubbo >
or too much
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tubbo >
but you don't have to use them
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whitequark >
with EM, you have to.
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jroes >
and if it is idiomatic, can anyone point me to a good example of the right way to do the type inspection?
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whitequark >
jroes: #is_a? and duck typing.
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jroes >
gotcha, so an #is_a? switch
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whitequark >
in this case, probably that
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tubbo >
yeah that might be helpful
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: meh, reactor loops are no use when the action you're performing is inheritly blocking
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yorickpeterse >
unless you like callback-spaghetti
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jroes >
cool cool, just confirming. thanks
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tubbo >
or perhaps @options = JSON.parse(options) rescue options
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banisterfiend >
whitequark: with a decent promises implementation, async event look code isn't actually that bad
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lianj >
yorickpeterse: there are pattern how to avoid that
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tubbo >
if you like to live dangerously
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banisterfiend >
event loop*
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yorickpeterse >
lianj: callback hell, yes
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whitequark >
banisterfiend: that is one way to untangle it, yes
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banisterfiend >
though EM::Deferrable is a joke
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yorickpeterse >
but I'd rather have concurrency instead of just an event loop
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tubbo >
one thing about is_a? that i question
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whitequark >
yorickpeterse: wat
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tubbo >
is that what happens if i pass in an AS::HashWithIndifferentAccess?
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tubbo >
do you still treat it as a Hash?
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whitequark >
callbacks
*are* a concurrency mechanism
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: in the classic sense event loops aren't multi-threaded per se
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yorickpeterse >
(note that in this code right here we have both)
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whitequark >
they are not in any sense
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jroes >
yeah, slightly disappointing, which I'm sure is the reason behind recommending better use of duck typing instead
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yorickpeterse >
tl;dr I don't like the EM API and callback hell
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yorickpeterse >
brb, more beer
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tubbo >
i do not like EM either tbh
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banisterfiend >
though you'd have to design your whole api around promises
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tubbo >
there are better ecosystems out there if you want to program like that imho...Go, NodeJS, etc.
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banisterfiend: yes, it is written and it is called EM::Synchrony
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whitequark >
and it is a horrendous pile of shit which makes debugging impossible
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lianj >
so what do you guys use?
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whitequark >
threads ?
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lianj >
celluloid-io?
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whitequark >
that works too
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banisterfiend >
i just use EM with my own promises implementation
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whitequark >
the problem with synchrony is how it monkey-patches mysql, redis, etc adapters to make them fiber-aware
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whitequark >
that doesn't work
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whitequark >
... somehow
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the stack size is really a BIG problem with fibers IMO
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gnufied >
For example, how do we know that this method that we are calling in fiber will run out of stack space?
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gnufied >
it will simply throw Stack level too deep
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whitequark >
you don't know that at any other time
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same for non fibers, no? just that its larger
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gnufied >
In a way yes. but 4kb
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gnufied: have you messed with concurrency in haskell?
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it's written by the dude who actually implemented most of that infrastructure in haskell, it's pretty incredible
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banisterfiend: looks incredible. for many years my go to book have been java concurrency in practice though.
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whitequark: only in Ruby 2.0 they have changed the stack size to larger size and made it configurable
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banisterfiend >
gnufied: are those configuration settings part of the 2.0 spec or just an MRI only thing?
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gnufied >
I actually
*have* run into stack level deep errors in trivial code when using 1.9
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banisterfiend: I don't know for a certainity. but I doubt that they would be part of 2.0 spec. JRuby fibers are basically threads underneath.
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whitequark >
you can change stack size in java
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Sammidysam >
I have a certain number of arguments that varies that I'd like to put into a Time.new, is there a way to put an array of arguments into Time.new?
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whitequark >
Time.new(*args)
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whitequark: Thank you very much. I was just missing an asterisk.
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whitequark: When I give Time.new a list of length greater than 3 it complains about too many arguments. Shouldn't it take up to six?
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whitequark: Oh, my problem was that I gave it the hour 50.
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No actual problem there.
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yorickpeterse >
oh, you can't actually click links and such
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ericwood >
y u read hacker news
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: Huh, CMD+CLICK biotch
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ericwood >
iTerm2 ftw
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andrewvos >
yorickpeterse: And I'm too lazy to add all the files I need to gem itup
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andrewvos >
gem it up*
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banister >
sepp2k: yo
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ericwood >
his name is Snoop Lion thankyouverymuch
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banister >
they're two alternative alter-egos aren't they?
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banister >
or has he completely killed of snoop dogg
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ericwood >
he sounds like a supervillain
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andrewvos >
WELL IF WILL.I.AM SAYS SO
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banister >
andrewvos: hahah that bitch has something to say about everything, and it's 99% of the time confused and rambling
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ericwood >
I started watching this steve jobs documentary on netflix the other day
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ericwood >
within the first minute they started interviewing Will.I.Am
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ericwood >
and I promptly turned it off
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andrewvos >
banister: His name make me cringe
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banister >
he is cringe incarnate
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andrewvos >
banister: Oh my actual god
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andrewvos >
banister: Look at the top comment ha!
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banister >
true story though (he really needs to stop making music)
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andrewvos >
seriously
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andrewvos >
Sweet I've got a tmux status thing that shows how many people are on my site
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andrewvos >
I just put a link on hacker news
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banister >
he must live in some seriously well insulated bubble if he doesnt think he sucks
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andrewvos >
And it's going up
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andrewvos >
I've got like FOUR people on my site at one time guys! Pretty much a celebrity now
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andrewvos >
banister: Why is he commenting on logos?
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yorickpeterse >
andrewvos: oh yeah derp, you can click the links
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banister >
andrewvos: because he's a genius and the voice of a generation i guess
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andrewvos >
banister: I doubt kids these days even know who he is?
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andrewvos >
banister: His time has pssed
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andrewvos >
passed*
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banister >
andrewvos: did you see the whole thing about his new entertainment tonight jingle?
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andrewvos >
banister: oh no
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banister >
andrewvos: even worse is they did like a 20 min "making of" special
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tubbo >
wow that's crazy
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andrewvos >
Woo 12 people on my site
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tubbo >
reminds me of kingston, jamaica except without the good music
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andrewvos >
This is like the third hacker news script to do this
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tubbo >
and more crowded
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andrewvos >
They are like sheep
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tubbo >
andrewvos: huh?
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tubbo: Unrelated to that link )
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First comment "comments are essential to much of HN"
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andrewvos >
Man that place is a cesspool
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banister >
andrewvos: link to the hn post?
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andrewvos >
erm ctrl+terminal
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tubbo >
andrewvos: oh right...it's pretty easy to get noticed if you just follow a simple formula.
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andrewvos >
People getting angry over not being able to comment in json
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tubbo >
andrewvos: which is of course web application => beautiful shell interface
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tubbo >
i don't understand the appeal of HN. like i read it because people post good articles there but the site is horrid to look at
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andrewvos >
tubbo: Yeah I hate it but it has some good links
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tubbo >
it's funny to me that smart/connected people in the programming community will post to HN and not a nicer community like lobste.rs
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andrewvos >
Sometimes
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lobste.rs is small
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andrewvos >
Well, as far as I know
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tubbo >
andrewvos: it's invite-only
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chris2 >
it would suck too if it was big...
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tubbo >
chris2: *maybe*..
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tubbo >
the content is heavily controlled. you have to post a tag and the tag has to already exist.
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andrewvos >
Shit I'm on front page I think. Well guess I'm gonna get to test out my new go project
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andrewvos >
(Shows how many unique users are on the site)
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andrewvos >
And it's broke :(
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andrewvos >
Google analytics shows 100+ unique users
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chris2 >
its pretty focused, too
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andrewvos >
My script shows 30 :(
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tubbo >
andrewvos: want an invite?
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andrewvos >
I suck at programming
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andrewvos >
tubbo: I got one a while ago, but thanks :)
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tubbo >
i never noticed that before
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chris2 >
problem is that lobsters has almost no links i havent seen
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Damn if it gets high enough I can replace the creenshot on my post with the actuall hacker news post in the list :)
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chris2: there are a few weird ones. that's why i like lobste.rs
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havenwood >
some good crypto links
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also i wish more sites would implement a non-self-post policy (like mefi)
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andrewvos: link?
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havenwood >
I'm curious.
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havenwood >
tubbo: just watch that, got me to laugh a few times
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tubbo: i read hn before lobsters, daily :P
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havenwood: If i give a direct link it will get marked as spam I think
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havenwood >
andrewvos: I mean which one is your go project? :P
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havenwood >
andrewvos: aha
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xuser >
chris2: how many times a day? :)
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yorickpeterse >
rofl
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andrewvos >
havenwood: github.com/AndrewVos/current-unique-users
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NemesisD >
uhh when doing gem update --sytem, i'm getting a timeout on gems.rubyforge.org. what is rubygems doing contacting rubyforge?
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xuser: 1 to n? :P
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is there some global gem sources list i have misconfigured?
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chris2 >
with n=5 on a really boring day perhaps :P
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havenwood >
NemesisD: Maybe try the `gem install rubygems-update && update_rubygems` route? What version are you on now?
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havenwood: looks like i have a .gemrc and under sources it lists gems.rubyforge.org and gems.github.com D: must be old as heck. should i just delete that key from that config
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NemesisD: yes
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using bundler must end up sidestepping this config
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because i can't even remember when i set that
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chris2: was it on HN first?
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NemesisD: Though depending on the RubyGems version you're on now... May need to put it in to update then remove, i dunno. >.>
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tubbo: what?
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yorickpeterse: As we all join absperf Campfire room...
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havenwood: Any idea why my go project doesn't work? :)
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andrewvos: I'm a Go newb, no clue. :O
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erikh: My app is showing me 64 users unique, there's liek 200 unique actually
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erikh: Pretty sure it's how I generate a client key
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erikh: github.com/AndrewVos/current-unique-users
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erikh: Wha?
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erikh >
dem cookies
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erikh >
your users are coming from behind a proxy or NAT likely.
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erikh >
so all their hosts are the same
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They are all from HN, doubt they share the same IP?
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erikh >
check with google analytics.
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256 users on there, 67 on my script
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Oh you mean the NAT stuff
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erikh >
yes, yours would present deflated numbers if many of them were giving you a remote_addr from teh same ip
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erikh >
or if you have something like nginx doing X-Real-IP wrong
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Yeah I get that
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erikh: It's hosted on heroku
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erikh: Perhaps I need to get the ip from some header
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that would be X-Real-IP most likely, or the last bit of X-Forwarded-For
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rue >
Look for problem for an hour, find out that jquery 2.x returns 404 by default on readyStatus 0 -.-
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I was all up in the server stack and everything.
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Er. Damn you for talking here and stealing focus
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erikh: I already am using x-forwarded-for and it's not working :/
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erikh: Oh shit I use 60 seconds, google uses 5 minutes!
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Yay this is so cool being able to test it like this
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Gimme gimme a lobste.rs invite (shannonskipper@gmail.com).
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havenwood >
thank you kind sir!
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pleasure dude
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andrewvos: ah
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erikh: Five minutes seems long
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Butyeah now GA shows 264 and my thing shows 289
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So either redis sucks or whatever they use sucks
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I'm guessing what they use doesn't suck
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Yeah it's probably just different because of our 5 minutes being out of sync
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Pretty stoked it works though
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bleeeghhh, why won't it cool down
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yorickpeterse >
I have a lump of ice in front of my fan for crying out loud
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That is pretty cool ^
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yorickpeterse: How how is it?
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yorickpeterse >
31C
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yorickpeterse >
no wind at all
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yorickpeterse >
and it's 20:40
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yorickpeterse >
WHAT IS THIS, GREECE?
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Dude cmon that's not that hot :)
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says the man from .za
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andrewvos: it is for .nl standards
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bruv
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erikh: I've been here for 5 years, I'm basically a Brit now
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yorickpeterse >
07 m8 no h8
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andrewvos >
My girlfriend just said "Don't wind me up" to me so yeah. Where's my passport.
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yorickpeterse >
hahaha
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yorickpeterse >
they're coming for you
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if it's not the government trying to kick you out it's the slang
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I love England though :)
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>> class Foo; attr :a; end;
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yorickpeterse >
ok, now check this
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yorickpeterse >
>> class Foo; attr :a, true; end;
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yorickpeterse >
makes sense right?
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>> class Foo; attr :a, :b, :c, true; end;
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yorickpeterse >
srsly
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>> class Foo; attr :a, true; end;
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haha, apparently the use of booleans here is deprecated too
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>> class Foo; attr :a, :b, true; end;
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>> class Foo; attr :a, true, :b; end;
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yorickpeterse >
code explains itself
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* yorickpeterse
runs
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andrewvos >
Let's just start again, with Ruby.
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andrewvos >
Who's with me??
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can we implement it in Go? Otherwise it won
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yorickpeterse >
* won't reach the frontpage of HN
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And it won't reach the front page of my heart
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<yorickpeterse> srsly
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<andrewvos> >> class Foo; attr :a, true; end;
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Olipro >
<yorickpeterse> haha, apparently the use of booleans here is deprecated too
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<andrewvos> >> class Foo; attr :a, :b, true; end;
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<andrewvos> >> class Foo; attr :a, true, :b; end;
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Olipro >
<andrewvos> Ohhh
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Olipro >
<yorickpeterse> code explains itself
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<andrewvos> Oh my
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Olipro >
yorickpeterse runs
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<andrewvos> Let's just start again, with Ruby.
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<andrewvos> Who's with me??
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<yorickpeterse> can we implement it in Go? Otherwise it won
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<yorickpeterse> * won't reach the frontpage of HN
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<andrewvos> And it won't reach the front page of my heart
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KINGSABRI >
hi guys
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what is the meaning or "::" when we start the class with it
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line = ::Readline.readline(prm, true)
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KINGSABRI: paranoia usually
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KINGSABRI: forces the constant to be looked up at top-level (Object)
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banisterfiend, mmm I didn't understand that grammatically
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banisterfiend, I'll find examples for that
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thanks bro :)
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KINGSABRI: it means the constant would be look up in the global scope
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KINGSABRI: for class Foo; class Readline; end; ::Readline; end, ::Readline will be the top-level Readline, not Foo::Readline (for plain "Readline")
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drbrain, aha,,
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KINGSABRI: looks appropriate
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thanks all guys
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can anyone think of a way to resume the same line of a fiber multiple times without progressing to the next line?
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Is everything in Ruby passed by reference?
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I mean, what isn't?
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ckuttruff >
Hi all; I was trying to get tail call optimization support compiled into my ruby 2.0 version. I've successfully used it by passing the relevant param to RubyVM::InstructionSequence, but am having trouble finding which flag needs to be set and how when compiling
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ckuttruff >
is this a CFLAG option? I was reading the ruby source (iseq.c) but having trouble findout out exactly how SET_COMPILE_OPTION is grabbing the tailcall optimization string and where that should be set
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just edit vm_opts.h
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ckuttruff >
compiling with rbenv... is there a way to set an env. variable to achieve the same result?
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ckuttruff, CFLAGS should work
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postmodern: thanks; so the syntax of that would be CFLAGS='OPT_TAILCALL_OPTIMIZATION=true'
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ckuttruff >
sorry for the ignorance; not really clear on how those are parsed during compilation
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ckuttruff, actually you want to set that in ruby itself
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RubyVM::InstructionSequence.compile_option = {:tailcall_optimization => true, :trace_instruction => false}
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ckuttruff, oh i see, you want to enable that definition
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ckuttruff >
yes, so it doesn't have to be entered every time
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-DOPT_TAILCALL_OPTIMIZATION=1
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ckuttruff >
Cremno: !! thanks
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ckuttruff >
and thanks all for the replies.
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I'm not sure if that'll work. Never tried it. Also, I don't use rbenv.
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is that something that would go in CFLAGS? where'd you get the -D from?
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That's a common C compiler flag to define a macro.
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ckuttruff >
getting these messages, so looks like it's getting picked up: "warning: "OPT_TAILCALL_OPTIMIZATION" redefined [enabled by default]"
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oh interesting... so it defines a macro which overwrites that when that constant is looked up during compilation?
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ckuttruff >
cool, thanks
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Just like I thought. I doesn't work with CFLAGS. Can't you edit vm_opts.h somehow?
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yeah, just realized that didn't take when compiling. I may be able to... I think I may just forgo using rbenv for my system ruby
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and edit that file you mentioned
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Cremno: hmm, strange... doesn't seem like editing the vm_opts.h worked either
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Cremno >
Hm, he left. It worked for me (trunk).
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andrewvos: I see HN missed the point of your HN code
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HN misses a lot of points.
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andrewvos: what did you write exactly?
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erikh >
I saw the pixel thingy, but I don't read HN
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andrewvos: fixnums and other "immediates" are not passed by ref. it's an impl detail/optimization tho
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zenspider >
is this impossible in rake? rule ".rex.rb" => ".rex"
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zenspider >
looks like the change in depth of suffix is confusing rake
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rule ".rex.rb" => [proc {|task_name| task_name.sub(/\.rb$/, "") }] do |t|
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