apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p247: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p448) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<maloik> guuuuu meurning
<maloik> guud*
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<Ch00k> the link to 2.0.0 source download is incorrect here https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/downloads/
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<maloik> Ch00k: which link is that exactly?
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<Ch00k> maloik: Ruby 2.0.0-p247 (md5: c351450a0bed670e0f5ca07da3458a5b) Stable
<Ch00k> the link to 2.0.0 source
<maloik> works fine here
<Ch00k> maloik: yep, works fine for me also now
<Ch00k> don't know, maybe a caching issue...
<Ch00k> maloik: or maybe someone just was a little bit faster in fixing it :)
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<maloik> Ch00k: perhaps something in the tarball process failed (although I dunno if they make that on the fly)
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<superdealloc> Hi everyone! What's the standard to document C extensions that don't have any ruby code?
<superdealloc> ie. RDoc, TomDoc? Any examples anyone can provide me with?
<darix> superdealloc: rdoc doesnt require additional gems
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<superdealloc> Hah, sorry, that's not what I meant.
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<superdealloc> How do I go about documenting this: https://github.com/andremedeiros/spyglass/blob/master/ext/spyglass/image.cc ?
<superdealloc> There's no ruby counterpart to those classes, it's all C code.
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<ljarvis> superdealloc: Rdoc, and you can see how the standard c classes are documented by looking at the source code
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<zzak> hi
<erikh> hihi
<maloik> hey zzak, just wondering if you got our arrrrcamp mail 'practical info' ? :-)
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<zzak> let me check
<zzak> i know i still need to find a place to stay, and on a tight budget
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<zzak> maloik: totally!
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<zzak> ljarvis: what day are you leaving for belgium?
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<zzak> someone told me its cheaper to fly to london
<maloik> if you're on a budget, check out flights to Charleroi as well
<maloik> (and paris for that matter)
<maloik> we advise people to fly into Brussels, simply because travel takes less time to Ghent, but if you're on a budget it may not be an option
<zzak> tickets from london -> brussels are cheap
<zzak> looks like i can save around $100 flying to london then brussels
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<ljarvis> zzak: I'm leaving wednesday evening
<ljarvis> (i have to work wednesday)
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<zzak> i might be leaving sooner, idk yet
<maloik> there's a geuze (beer) tour going on on wednesday if that's something you'd be interested in
<maloik> starts in the morning though
<ljarvis> morning beer tours, those are the best
<zzak> haha
<zzak> i will probably have to work, and prepare for my talk :(
<maloik> well by morning I mean 10am, and I believe they start in Ghent so by the time you get there it'll be 11 in the morning :P
<ljarvis> zzak: im not arriving in ghent until 10pm wednesday D:
<ljarvis> and leaving saturday evening
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<zzak> im leaving sometime between saturday and tuesday probably
<ljarvis> how specific of you
<whitequark> lol
<whitequark> charliesome: ohai
<whitequark> how are your mri adventures goin'?
<charliesome> whitequark: yeah good
<charliesome> fstrings are in trunk :)
<whitequark> cool
<whitequark> headius will be happy
<maloik> I looked at that this morning, didn't even get it :(
<whitequark> tell him :)
<charliesome> whitequark: oh is that something he's been talking about?
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<whitequark> well duh, if you have a string literal in tight loop it means HELL YEAH ALLOCATIONS
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<whitequark> so you would hoist it out of the loop manually
<whitequark> which is dumb.
<charliesome> yeah
<charliesome> ruby
<whitequark> lolrubby
<ljarvis> "ruby"f
<whitequark> Foundry has literals with prefixes and postfixes too
<whitequark> which can lead to some weird ones
<ljarvis> i dunno suffixes are weird to look at
<whitequark> e.g. with fixed-point: 0x1024.AB_s32.32
<charliesome> i'm gonna get a pull request together to rails making erb templates use fstrings for static strings
<whitequark> o/
<whitequark> honestly I would probably prefer it to be yet another %-string
<whitequark> because you cannot really mark other things with this suffix
<ljarvis> ya
<whitequark> so it doesn't make sense to make it like it could be combining, when it's not
<whitequark> but I guess it's not a big deal
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<zzak> ljarvis: too many confs :(
<ljarvis> zzak: :D
<maloik> anyone doing baruco btw ?
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<charliesome> whitequark: ok so
<charliesome> with string suffixes, i made it consume all a-z chars after a string literal
<charliesome> and raise an exception if any are invalid
<charliesome> nobu changed that and made it stop as soon as it sees an invalid char
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<whitequark> :/
<whitequark> did you ask him why/
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<maloik> ljarvis: last week you were calculating 1st/2nd monday of a given month... happen to have anything to do with Chronic?
<maloik> noticed there's an issue open on github on just that subject
<maloik> if it's not, I might take a look myself and see if I can figure out how to do that
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<ljarvis> maloik: ah, no nothing to do with Chronic
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<ljarvis> maloik: also if you dive into chronic, be sure to take weapons and supplies
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<maloik> ljarvis: uh oh :(
<maloik> briefly glances over the code this morning, already had a hunch it wasn't what I'm used to
<maloik> lol
<whitequark> maloik: perhaps also a suicide pill
<whitequark> just in case you're captured
<ljarvis> maloik: yeah, been working on a rewrite for a long time, there's a lot of bottlenecks
<ljarvis> ^
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<maloik> perhaps there's better projects to start contributing to a little bit then
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<ljarvis> if you want to do this as a contribution exercise then yeah, I'd say don't start with Chronic, it might kill your drive..
<ljarvis> it's overly complex
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<charliesome> whitequark: not yet
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<yorickpeterse> question
<yorickpeterse> what the fuck does "developer evangelist" mean?
<apeiros> it means he uses the programmer bible to code
<yorickpeterse> Like, I honestly have no idea what that title would mean regarding the work you'd do
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<siberia> believe it means programmers are so unapproachable that they created a new position to gopher in between them and regular people.
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<ljarvis> heh
<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: I have "Open Source evangelist" on my profile
<yorickpeterse> WHAT DOES IT MEAN
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<yorickpeterse> Does it mean you go around ranting about how people should write more open sauce?
<yorickpeterse> "THE 5TH COMMANDMENT IS THAT THOU SHALL WRITE THE OPEN SAUCE!!!111"
<yorickpeterse> "SINNERS REPENT" etc
<ljarvis> pretty much yes
<yorickpeterse> hm
<ljarvis> I preach open source with the object of converting people
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<yorickpeterse> New title: "Open Source Missionary"
<ljarvis> but to me, it works with open source
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<ljarvis> developer... not su much
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<benlovell> yorickpeterse: sferik is a "developer evangelist" at soundcloud, ask him :)
<banisterfiend> yorickpeterse is that the same as developer advocate ?
<yorickpeterse> yeah pretty much
<yorickpeterse> or "partner at X"
<yorickpeterse> what the fuck does that mean, that you're not employed but still hang around the office?
<banisterfiend> i know a few developer advocates who are really brilliant programmers, like this guy: https://twitter.com/derickbailey
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<yorickpeterse> oh I'm not critizing the people, it's just that I honestly don't understand what the title would mean
<banisterfiend> yorickpeterse he writes a tonne of blog posts demonstrating how to integrate different tools with kendo-ui
<yorickpeterse> * criticiwwwwhatever
<banisterfiend> backbone and so on
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<yorickpeterse> I guess "advocate" means you go around telling management to treat the devs like normaly people
<benlovell> i guess most of the time it's a company wanting a 'name' to attract other hires
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<yorickpeterse> I'm so buying that
<banisterfiend> yorickpeterse in derrick bailey's case, it's really just about communicating to the developer community about a particular product (kendo-ui), and explaining to devs how to use it effectively afaict, so it's a technical role rather than just airy-fairy feel-good stuff, it's not just cheerleading
<yorickpeterse> banisterfiend: hm
<ljarvis> herp derp
<yorickpeterse> so basically you're a devmarketer (if we have to follow the same naming style as devops)
<yorickpeterse> errr, devmarketeer
<benlovell> synergy
<benlovell> luls
<ljarvis> pretty funny.. "most popular websites built with" rails vs django.. django is way more impressive
<yorickpeterse> probably written by Django nerds
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<ljarvis> well yeah, the rails one was written by rails nerds
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<yorickpeterse> No but I mean the showcase
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<ljarvis> yeah that's what i mean too
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<yorickpeterse> "While I love Rails and Ruby (and learned a ton from Railscasts), the future of the web is building a separate RESTful API + separate static JavaScript browser app + any other devices like mobile, Glass, etc (opposed to nesting client-side JS apps under assets)."
<yorickpeterse> lol HN
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<maloik> argh
<maloik> decide to give twitter bootstrap a chance, go through their massive 'customize' page, download the result... turns out there's no sass version included
<maloik> 20min wasted
<maloik> completely useless
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<boytoy_> maloik: why do you need sass?
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<boytoy_> like they say if your design is so complex it needs sass, it's probably not that good to begin with
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<ljarvis> your css doesn't need to be complex to use sass
<ljarvis> maloik: if you want sass, use bootstrap-sass?
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<boytoy_> i dunno, to each his own
<boytoy_> or her own
<DefV> maloik: we're using compass-twitter-bootstrap gem
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<maloik> DefV: that's not up to date is it ?
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<maloik> besides, kind of defeats the purpose of having that customize page if I have to go and do it all over again in the sass code
<maloik> like... you can customize your bootstrap setup, that's great... but who does it once and then never touches it again ? your colours are bound to change over time
<yorickpeterse> Jesus. So Dutch is my primary language but it has reached this point where I'm more experienced in writing Emails in English opposed to in Dutch
<yorickpeterse> probably because Dutch is a silly language too
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<boytoy_> yorickpeterse: or the language most related to English
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<boytoy_> heard some professor say it once
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<maloik> in a theoretic way perhaps
<maloik> but it's not like the words are very similar, imo
<maloik> afaik it's one of the languages with the most exceptions, just like english
<yorickpeterse> Dutch and English are pretty different
<yorickpeterse> Dutch borrows some words but that's it
<maloik> I think it simply boils down to using English at the time
<yorickpeterse> e.g the actual Dutch word for computer is "rekenaar" (= "calculator") but everybody just uses computer
<maloik> I find myself having trouble coming up with certain words and having to go look up the translation from english to dutch
<yorickpeterse> I'd say my primary language these days is English anyway
<yorickpeterse> 80% of the time, even at work, I'm speaking English
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<boytoy_> cool
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<boytoy_> well like we're all merging into one race perhaps one day we'll all be speaking the same language as well ;)
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<ljarvis> oO
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<yorickpeterse> well according to Xkcd the Dutch will one day rule the planet again
<yorickpeterse> and mars
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<banisterfiend> yorickpeterse just curious, can you understand die antwoord lyrics when they sing in afrikaans?
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<yorickpeterse> Die antwoord, no, Afrikaans itself, usually
<maloik> I dont personally get to hear a lot of Zuid Afrikaans, but when I do I only make out certain words
<yorickpeterse> Afrikaans is basically Dutch from the 1600s but can be pretty tricky to understand
<maloik> it's a... "funny" accent, that's really the only way to put it
<maloik> very literal
<yorickpeterse> heh, searching for YARV bytecode examples, find a SO answer from whitequark
<maloik> an example: they call a surgeon "snijdokter", which means something like "cutting doctor"
<yorickpeterse> heh
<yorickpeterse> I'll just call my dentist "tandendokter" from now on
<boytoy_> maloik: is afrikaans influenced by african languages?
<maloik> "trekdokter" :D
<maloik> boytoy_: I have no idea
<maloik> well, chances are it is, but to what extent I don't know
<maloik> hard to imagine othewise
<maloik> +r
<boytoy_> ah ok
<boytoy_> yeah it would be strange if it wasn't
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<boytoy_> you guys seen tsotsi (2005)?
<boytoy_> was my intro to afrikaans anyhow, great movie
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<zzak> maloik: have you stayed at uppelink before or heard about it?
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<rindolf> Hi all.
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<yorickpeterse> herro
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<rindolf> yorickpeterse: what's up?
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<yorickpeterse> not much, trying to find some decent resources on how to make a non fucked up bytecode format
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<rindolf> yorickpeterse: OK. :-)
<rindolf> yorickpeterse: bytecode for a Turing-complete programming language?
<yorickpeterse> yeah
<yorickpeterse> for MyFirstProgrammingLanguage
<yorickpeterse> The JVM's bytecode format is, well, huge
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: writing your own vm?
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: or just targeting something existing?
<yorickpeterse> yah
<yorickpeterse> My own for now
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: language or vm then?
<yorickpeterse> eh both. I'm writing my own VM for my own language
<dbussink> ah, hehe
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: all at once :P
<yorickpeterse> yup
<yorickpeterse> In C++, a language I'm not that familiar with
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: you could talk to txus, he's been playing with that stuff a bunch
<yorickpeterse> txus?
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: hangs around in rbx, teaches the rails girls team writing their own language
<dbussink> and wrote his own vm as well
<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/txus this dude?
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: https://github.com/txus/terrorvm
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: yeah
<yorickpeterse> hmmm
<yorickpeterse> this looks neat, thanks
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: btw, i would do one and then the other ;)
<dbussink> writing your own language / vm if you've never done before
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<yorickpeterse> meh, writing your own language in, for example, Ruby, isn't that hard
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: another useful course is this: https://www.coursera.org/course/compilers
<yorickpeterse> I also prefer shooting both my feet at the same time :)
<yorickpeterse> oh I think I tried that course a while ago but never got around it due to lack of time
<yorickpeterse> hmm
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: ah, former colleague of mine did that one, was pretty heavy on course load yeah
<dbussink> time wise
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: i think that targets mips
<dbussink> which is a reasonably simple assembly
<dbussink> yorickpeterse: txus' terrorvm is in C, which should be fine as well
<yorickpeterse> My main questions at this point are 1) what goes in the bytecode and what doesn't 2) the layout of instructions, etc
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<yorickpeterse> as in, I can come up with the basics such as flow control, stack management, yadyada, but it becomes more tricky with how to deal with variable assignments, literals, etc
<yorickpeterse> Really comes down to finding some best practises I guess
<dbussink> well, you can use stack based or register based
<yorickpeterse> I was going with stack based since that's easier, at least for now
<yorickpeterse> register based is something I'll look into when I want it to be truly webscale
<dbussink> right
<dbussink> well, flow control is basically goto's :P
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<dbussink> stack management basically making sure you balance operations right
<yorickpeterse> yeah, I kinda shivered at writing down "Flow control: jump/....goto"
<yorickpeterse> que a raptor eating me
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<dbussink> yorickpeterse: that's generated from instructions
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<dbussink> and shows stack effects etc.
<dbussink> some instructions push
<dbussink> some pop
<yorickpeterse> Yeah I had that one bookmarked
<dbussink> the concept of literal table is basically a place where you store constant values
<yorickpeterse> I also looked at the bytecode of Rbx in the past, which was pretty helpful for ruby-lint's development
<dbussink> like a string or number in your source code
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<KINGSABRI> hi guys
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<KINGSABRI> is there anyway to read the current work in Readline before hit enter ?
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, don't think so
<KINGSABRI> yorickpeterse: I'm trying to find a way to get sub command for particular command already in and array :(
<KINGSABRI> there are no many topic about Readline :( ,, even documetation is bad
<yorickpeterse> sub command?
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<KINGSABRI> assume I have a list of tab complete words
<KINGSABRI> I need to make tab complete list for particular word in main list
<yorickpeterse> and this is based on whatever the user is typing?
<yorickpeterse> I think readline does have some autocomplete stuff builtin
<yorickpeterse> http://bogojoker.com/readline/ under "Completion"
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<KINGSABRI> yes I read this topic ,, if you check http://bogojoker.com/readline/#completion_for_a_static_list
<KINGSABRI> you'll find a list
<KINGSABRI> assume I need to make sublist for "download" word
<KINGSABRI> like download file ,,
<apeiros> funny libedit detection ideas. I usually just checked Readline::VERSION
<KINGSABRI> and file should be tab complete
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<yorickpeterse> KINGSABRI: you can probably do some by expanding the behaviour of the autocomplete proc
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<yorickpeterse> e.g. if the input value matches "download" look in a different list than you'd normally would
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: I just use a proper OS :>
<yorickpeterse> one that funny enough now has a bug where the "R" in certain cases vanishes
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: pfff, I use readline on osx just fine
<apeiros> afaik they don't ship with readline for some stupid licensing issue
<apeiros> yoickpetese? :D
<KINGSABRI> lol
* apeiros wonders how that'd be pronounced in english
<yorickpeterse> "yojkpete's" or something like that
<KINGSABRI> I'm using linux ,, I thing I should work fine
<apeiros> "yoick peeteesee" :)
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<yorickpeterse> that somehow sounds a bit like a Korean trying to pronounce my name, at least from my experience
<yorickpeterse> though I think the soju might've had a part in that
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<yorickpeterse> lol, so I googled for "iwlwifi bugtracker"
<yorickpeterse> first thing I get: http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=6305
<yorickpeterse> I think that at least shows I'm not the only one having these issues
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<zzak> yorickpeterse: are you folks going to arrrcamp next month?
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<zzak> yorickpeterse: let me know if you are, im looking for a place to crash
<zzak> just pm me or whatever
<yorickpeterse> eh shit, I still need to consider going or not
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<yorickpeterse> I also don't live exactly close so I would be booking a hotel
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<ruevaughn> Can someone help me understand what <ruby-prefix> is exactly referring to on the "Understanding Binstubs" rbenv wiki?
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<ruevaughn> Nevermind, I am thinking it is .rbenv/versions/<ruby-prefix>
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