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<drbrain> delinquentme: I don't know, there is both the built-in matrix class and narray
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<heftig> delinquentme: you mean the hadamard product?
<delinquentme> heftig, I believe
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<heftig> delinquentme: doesn't even seem to support cross product of vectors
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<freedrull> are there still no good memory profiling tools these days? :\
<freedrull> maybe using the object allocation mode of perftools.rb?
<drbrain> ?
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<freedrull> drbrain: holy wowza
<freedrull> now we're cookin with gas
<zzak> should be propane
<drbrain> what about butane?
<drbrain> or methane?
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<zzak> propane is best for cooking
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<maloik_> Having some issues with imagemagick from ruby (via minimagick), it seems it can't find "identify" which is definately in my $PATH
<maloik_> Anyone know what I should be checking ?
<maloik_> (also: good morning)
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<maloik_> this works for now, but it's the worst fix ever: ENV['PATH'] = "/usr/local/bin:#{ENV['PATH']}"
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<mikecmpbll> can't stop sneezing -_-
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<yorickpeterse> stop sniffing drugs
<mikecmpbll> but .. :(
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<maloik_> working from home while waiting for a delivery
<maloik_> I could do this more often
<maloik_> so nice and quiet (aside from the metal I'm blasting)
<yorickpeterse> proper metal
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<maloik_> hahaha that's mazing
<maloik_> s/maz/amaz/
<ljarvis> :/
<ljarvis> amatzing
<ljarvis> I'll see myself out
<yorickpeterse> it was purrfect
<yorickpeterse> also 10:30 is way too early to cowboy code
<ljarvis> not for yorickpeterse!
<yorickpeterse> yeah it kinda is, I haven't even finished my first mug of tea
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<yorickpeterse> ok fixed
<yorickpeterse> herp derp something already casting X to a TIme
<yorickpeterse> and then parsing it with Date
<yorickpeterse> which doesn't work
<ljarvis> wot
<ljarvis> u wot m8
<yorickpeterse> some field was expected to be a String and should then be parsed using Date.parse
<yorickpeterse> apparently it was a Time instance
<yorickpeterse> which you can't parse
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<yorickpeterse> this thing is some old crap that has no tests either
<ljarvis> ah
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<ljarvis> why would anything but a string go into date.parse
<ljarvis> i almost typed date.Parse then.. too much go :/
<yorickpeterse> I have no idea why it was a Time in the first place
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<yorickpeterse> Ah
<yorickpeterse> fuckers
<yorickpeterse> I thought it was processing a item directly from an SQS queue, turns out it pulls shit from Mongomatic (ughhh)
<yorickpeterse> However, that doesn't gaurantee that it's always a Time
<ljarvis> :|
<yorickpeterse> so my hack is still legit
<ljarvis> your work sounds extremely interesting
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<yorickpeterse> that's one way of putting it
<ljarvis> ya i was being polite
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<yorickpeterse> There's a lot to refactor, and we're slowly doing that. However, with 3 devs and a fuck ton of work to do that doesn't go as fast as hoped
<yorickpeterse> The running gag here is that everything should've been finished by yesterday, to indicate the amount of stuff usually going on
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<yorickpeterse> e.g. starting Thursday (hopefully) we'll be re-doing our review collection setup, which is a pretty big part
<yorickpeterse> if not the most important bit
<ljarvis> is all of your work based on a single entry point? (your company website)
<yorickpeterse> No, we have 2 web apps and a bucket of daemons that collect data for those apps
<yorickpeterse> and some internal apps
<ljarvis> i see
<yorickpeterse> We have...
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<yorickpeterse> 15 daemons in Jenkins
<yorickpeterse> 6 rails apps/engines
<ljarvis> jesus
<yorickpeterse> 8 Gems, of which 2 are engines
<yorickpeterse> and apparently some fucking job is stuck in Jenkins for 24 hours already
<yorickpeterse> "Fetching source index from https://rubygems.org/" LOL
<maloik_> :D:D:D
<yorickpeterse> "Took 19h"
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<yorickpeterse> we have 20 projects in Rollbar
<ljarvis> 3 devs?
<yorickpeterse> yah
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<ljarvis> why the fuck do you either 1) have so many projects or 2) not have more staff
<yorickpeterse> a 4th one is doing support/learning, but she's not coding yet
<mikecmpbll> i have no sympathy
<mikecmpbll> i work on my own yo.
<yorickpeterse> Most of these projects are not actively developed, as in, they're for the most part "done"
<yorickpeterse> for 2) budget mostly
<ljarvis> i work on my own at one company, one of 3 at another
<ljarvis> heh
<ljarvis> fair enough
<yorickpeterse> We are very much hiring but I'm not sure if we heard anything back from the past 2 nerds I tried to trap
<ljarvis> that's not very promising
<yorickpeterse> but yeah, we really need another 2-3 or so
<ljarvis> what are you doing wrong? :D
<yorickpeterse> "Could not find turbolinks-1.3.1 in any of the sources (Bundler::GemNotFound)" ASJDKHASKDHKSADHSD
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<yorickpeterse> Wrong? Not sure in particular, I don't have oversight of the finances
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<yorickpeterse> except for the infra stuff, but I still need to get official AWS billing access
<ljarvis> i meant in you havent heard anything back from people
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<yorickpeterse> oh
<ljarvis> i mean.. everyone is looking for work nowadays
<yorickpeterse> One of them was some dude who had to wait 2 months anyway, the other one was shopping around and said he'd contact us (I think)
<yorickpeterse> lets verify that
<ljarvis> ah
<yorickpeterse> Hm, apparently we indeed haven't heard anything back from the last one
<yorickpeterse> which was a shame, since that was a pretty cool dude
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<yorickpeterse> Either way, it can be pretty stressful here at times (at least I'd say so based on others, I don't really stress out) but it's good fun
<ljarvis> is it noisy?
<yorickpeterse> Depends. Devs are in their own cage/fish bowl (I'm not kidding), but headphones are recommended regardless
<yorickpeterse> most of us are pretty easy in telling people to bugger off if they're too noisy
<mikecmpbll> i don't mind a bustling office. as long as it's not all the time.
<ljarvis> yeah, noise is one of the reasons our devs work from home
<ljarvis> no point in having distractions if you can help it
<ljarvis> i've gone into the office 3 times in the last 4 months
<yorickpeterse> oh, I tend to work from home as well if I really don't want to be bothered
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<chris2> ot: anyone clued about backbone?
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<mikecmpbll> chris2: i have a little bit of exp. but there's a room for that: #documentcloud
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<chris2> i'm trying to greasemonkey a backbone site
<chris2> and can't figure out if there is a hook run on every change or something
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<mikecmpbll> backbone works with events, yeah.
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<yorickpeterse> lololol websites doing a POST to get existing data
<yorickpeterse> solid REST right there
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<ljarvis> meh rest is broken anyway, might as well abuse it
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: that's because there's a side-effect!
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<apeiros> (it generates log entries)
<ljarvis> but then you're updating the log, patch to the rescue!
<yorickpeterse> I think it's because these people just want it to be "secret" so their stuff isn't in URLs
<yorickpeterse> well good thing Chrome shows the requests!
<yorickpeterse> silly websites thinking they're smarter than the rest
<yorickpeterse> lol, they also include HTML in the JSON blob they're sending back
<yorickpeterse> this is just like Turbolinks
<gnufied> chris2: there is no one such hook
<gnufied> but what specifically you are looking at?
<gnufied> DOM events or sync events?
<chris2> i have some js i want to run after each update
<chris2> if the code wasnt minified, it would be easier as well :D
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<gnufied> chris2: okay for that, you can simply patch Backbone.sync
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<chris2> s=Backbone.sync; Backbone.sync=function(){s(); ...} ?
<chris2> like that?
<gnufied> yep
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<gnufied> there is always the chance that, the app does not uses Backbone.sync() for updates and then we are screwed
<chris2> the custom stuff is in the error handler?
<gnufied> yeah, but that is just an example. I think you can do pretty much whatever you want.
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<chris2> gnufied: that will not set 'this' will it?
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<gnufied> I don't think so
<gnufied> you will have to access the records being synced via collection or model object
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<gnufied> (if that is what you meant by 'this' in that context)
<gnufied> chris2: ^
<chris2> ok
<chris2> been years since i touched js
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<lianj> he only got the minified version
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<chris2> hm, i can overwrite some sync methods but they dont seem to run
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<gnufied> it may be that, they are not using sync
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<chris2> is \S always [^\s]?
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<yorickpeterse> so I have little over a day to crank out some Rails app to download reports while yelling at Salesforce and Campaign monitor
* yorickpeterse mumbles something about leeroy
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<workmad3> yorickpeterse: fun :D
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<maloik_> I always feel like such a cowboy seeing ^[[D^[[D^[[D^[[D^[[D etc in console while loading
<maloik_> fistpumping when it works
<yorickpeterse> read that as "fisting when it works"
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<maloik_> the selfdiscipline not making a yourmom joke.... it's over 9000
<maloik_> (meanwhile, inception)
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<yorickpeterse> dats wot yer mum said
<yorickpeterse> swear on me mum
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<yorickpeterse> that makes me laugh more than it should
<yorickpeterse> ok back to work
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<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: :D
<maloik_> what the I dont even what is that
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<cored> hi
<cored> yorickpeterse: are you still winning?
<yorickpeterse> always
<cored> yorickpeterse: hehe, that reminds me of Charlie Sheen
<yorickpeterse> did you mean whining?
<yorickpeterse> if so, then yes: also always
<maloik_> :D
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<cored> yorickpeterse: nop
<cored> winning
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<yorickpeterse> the guy is nuts
<cored> yes indeed
<cored> but he is winning
<cored> ;-)
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<yorickpeterse> holy shit salesforce is a bucket of shit
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<yorickpeterse> I mean, I heard it was bad but dayum this is beyond retarded
<yorickpeterse> "How can we make it as painful as fucking possible to use this app in order to pull some data from our API?"
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<yorickpeterse> apex API my ass
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<yorickpeterse> exhibit A: in order to see my oauth details I have to go to fucking "App setup -> Create -> Apps" then click on an *EXISTING* app name
<yorickpeterse> Opposed to the fucking panel that says "Manage apps"
<yorickpeterse> the two pages are different
<yorickpeterse> Whoever designed this needs to never touch a computer again
<yorickpeterse> though the restforce Gem is kinda neat at least
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<kith> :D
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<cschneid> is Kernel#enum_for an alias for Kernel#to_enum ?
<cschneid> looks like they call the same C code to implement, but are there any other gotchas there
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<yorickpeterse> kith: the algorithm used to generate data
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<Mon_Ouie> cschneid: Maybe check the documentation before the C implementation :p One is an alias for the other
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<kith> yorickpeterse: so its more random?
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<drbrain> cored: they're the same
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<Mon_Ouie> I think you got the wrong 'c'
<drbrain> oops, cschneid ↑
<cored> drbrain: what?
<drbrain> cored: bad tab completion on my part
<cored> oh ok
<cored> no worries
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<cschneid> it doesn't actually say alias, hence my question :)
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<Mon_Ouie> Ah. ri shows the usage for both of them at once
<Mon_Ouie> (Also notice the examples use both methods)
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<drbrain> cschneid: sometimes C methods have the same implementation but aren't exposed as aliases at the ruby level
<cschneid> drbrain, Mon_Ouie: sure, when it sets up the method table in the C code, it just uses it twice. No worries - just was wondering :)
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<imperator> howdy
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<imperator> i'm on my winders box atm - can someone tell me what happens if you call File.readlink on a regular (non symlink) file?
<imperator> does it raise an error or just return the file?
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<drbrain> imperator: -e:1:in `readlink': Invalid argument - README.rdoc (Errno::EINVAL)
<drbrain> imperator: may be useful: -e:1:in `readlink': No such file or directory - nonexistent (Errno::ENOENT)
<imperator> ok, thanks
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<silverhammer> kith: "secure random" numbers are supposed to be "truly" random, rather than pseudorandom
<kith> silverhammer: thx
<kith> how does it do it?
<silverhammer> it OS-dependent
<kith> user input?
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<silverhammer> yeah, sometimes user input, sometimes process information
<silverhammer> on *nix, man 4 random
<imperator> sometimes it rolls a couple dice
<kith> will i get some error msg if theres not enough entropy there?
* cout stares at imperator and presses Ctrl-\ maniacally
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<silverhammer> it looks like it will still work with low entropy
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<silverhammer> it tries to use /dev/urandom which works even if the entropy pool is low
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<kith> so its really just less insecure than really secure right? :D
<whitequark> kith: /dev/random will block if the pool is low
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<whitequark> in reality you don't need to use /dev/random if you need to ask :p
<kith> just trying to learn
<kith> if i wrote a poker bot for irc and it shuffles the cards whether that will suffice
<silverhammer> definitely
<silverhammer> that's probably overkill, in fact
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<kith> ok
<silverhammer> even slot machines use pseudorandom numbers
<kith> really?
<lianj> @cards.sort_by!{ SecureRandom.random_bytes(4).unpack("I")[0] }
<lianj> done. uses openssl which uses urandom with in this case
<kith> apparently theres no such bot right? at least i couldnt find one
<silverhammer> if you have multiple users sharing an rng in real time, it's virtually impossible for any one of them to determine what the seed is
<spike|spiegel> there is no such thing called truly random
<silverhammer> spike|spiegel: hence the quotes :P
<kith> whatever... it turned out its harder to do than i thought
<kith> irc poker bot
* imperator writes a randomizer based on cosmic rays
<kith> on a poker site i read that professional poker sites can detect collusion
<kith> among players
<kith> i wouldnt know how to do that :D
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<kith> imperator: i'll write one based on the inifinite improbability drive
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<lianj> i use whatever debian gives me
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<kith> imperator: i thought somewhere i read that theres a webservice offered which provides random numbers based on a lava lamp in front of a camera
<silverhammer> i think that shut down a while ago
<kith> shame
<cout> there's a new one in its place :)
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<wnd> sigh
<wnd> damn focus stealers
<wnd> thieves, even
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<kith> cout: friggin cool thx
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