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was the bridge between the mailing list and ruby-forum actually severed???
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SierraNevada >
is there a way to a start a variable assignment with x += math formula here or does x have to be initially set to to some value first?
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autovivification is the devil
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(set it some value first)
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yorickpeterse >
So does anybody know what GH has done so far after Githubgate took place?
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yorickpeterse >
After their initial post of "We're looking into it" I don't think I've seen anything else
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ndrst >
yorickpeterse: no official response yet afaik
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yorickpeterse >
hmpf
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yorickpeterse >
Because they would be a bunch of shitbags by saying "We're looking into it" only to never come with a follow-up
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sluukkonen >
githubgate?
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sluukkonen >
oh that founder's wife harrasing an employee and whatnot thingy?
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yorickpeterse >
Yes
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yorickpeterse >
ASHJDAKJSDHJ:SAD
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yorickpeterse >
Spend 2 days debugging website X
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yorickpeterse >
turns out they now URL encode a certain form field
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yorickpeterse >
and if we don't decode that shit breaks
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yorickpeterse >
it's always the easy changes that take forever to debug
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maloik >
what kind of (free) mac software do you guys usually use for image editing? simple things like cropping, converting etc
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yorickpeterse >
GIMP
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yorickpeterse >
(lol)
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t4nk157 >
Hey all, if anyone is bored, I posted on stack exchange about a refactor
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gnufied >
yorickpeterse: I asked a QUESTION, YESTERDAY
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gnufied >
can ruby-lint see constants declared in other project files?
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gnufied >
If not make it work, damnit
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gnufied >
*so far I am liking it*
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yorickpeterse >
oh, I totally missed that :<
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yorickpeterse >
Yes it can
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yorickpeterse >
By default it searches in ./app and ./lib
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yorickpeterse >
but you can change that
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matti >
Ohai Sir Yorick
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yorickpeterse >
hai
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gnufied >
I don't think it is doing this correctly though
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gnufied >
it either scans the file that does not declare the constant first and scans the file that does declare it later
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gnufied >
or I am missing something
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yorickpeterse >
What exactly do you mean
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yorickpeterse >
+ ?
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gnufied >
I ran ruby-lint .
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yorickpeterse >
Oh, the actual errors are sorted by file + line number
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yorickpeterse >
(in the report that is)
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gnufied >
okay, but why is there a undefined BaseCommand error
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yorickpeterse >
Not sure, checking
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gnufied >
that is what I am wondering
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gnufied >
as I said, I run ruby-lint with "ruby-lint ."
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gnufied >
at top of project root
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maloik >
gimp is a piece of shit
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yorickpeterse >
maloik: actually it's ok
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yorickpeterse >
gnufied: where is this file "dd_command.rb" located? I can't find it in the master branch
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maloik >
it's not letting me save
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maloik >
so no, it's not ok
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yorickpeterse >
eh?
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yorickpeterse >
works fine here
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maloik >
no proper error even
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maloik >
"error while saving /path/to/image. Could not save image"
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yorickpeterse >
oh, I think I've had something similar
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yorickpeterse >
I had to change the colour profile to sRGB manually for it to work or something like that
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gnufied >
yorickpeterse: sorry, that paste ate beginning of file nmae, it is add_command.rb
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yorickpeterse >
gnufied: doesn't occur on the master branch
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maloik >
downloaded sketch and figured this thing out in 2min
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yorickpeterse >
The only two errors I get are
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yorickpeterse >
The first one makes sense since COMMANDER seems to be set using const_set
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gnufied >
for me, on master the thing crashes
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gnufied >
I was on refactor-reactor branch btw
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gnufied >
"/Users/gnufied/.rbenv/versions/2.1.1/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0/gems/ruby-lint-1.1.0/lib/ruby-lint/definition/ruby_object.rb:752: stack level too deep (SystemStackError)"
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yorickpeterse >
on the same add_command.rb file?
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gnufied >
no, if I run the file individually, it appears fine
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gnufied >
it crashes on ruby-lint .
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gnufied >
and I get some output as you, on master branch
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gnufied >
if I run for entire project directory(on master branch) it crashs
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gnufied >
on refactor-reactor branch however
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gnufied >
if i just run it on add-command.rb I get BaseCOmmand undefined error
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gnufied >
and oddly enough it does not crashes when ran on entire project directory
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yorickpeterse >
it works fine for me if I run it on . on the master branch
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yorickpeterse >
same goes for the refactor-reactor branch
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gnufied >
weird then
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gnufied >
ruby 2.1.1 here
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yorickpeterse >
how did you run ruby-lint from master, via ./bin/ruby-lint or using a Gem install of it?
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gnufied >
I gem installed ruby-lint
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gnufied >
and ran it with, "ruby-lint ."
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gnufied >
at root of project directory
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yorickpeterse >
to check, did you install it using `rake install`?
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yorickpeterse >
also, what does `ruby-lint --version` output?
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gnufied >
ruby-lint v1.1.0 on ruby 2.1.1p76 (2014-02-24 revision 45161) [x86_64-darwin13.0]
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gnufied >
no, I did gem install.
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gnufied >
I will build from master though, in minutes
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yorickpeterse >
oh right
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yorickpeterse >
Yeah
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yorickpeterse >
stable release is borken
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yorickpeterse >
It has that stack error
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yorickpeterse >
I thought you were running ruby-lint from Git as well
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butterbrei >
hey everyone… I’m a real noob with ruby right now… I downloaded ruby-irc (
https://github.com/popeketric/Ruby-IRC) and I’m trying to do a simple require IRC (as in the example) - but of course I wonder, why this should work - for me I always get the error, that there is no file IRC (which is logic for me).
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butterbrei >
Is there a simple way to have the library globally?
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butterbrei >
Since it looks like to be a gem
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benlovell >
butterbrei: which ruby?
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benlovell >
butterbrei: do you use a ruby version manager of some description?
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bougyman >
not to get off the subject, but that's a pretty old lib
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butterbrei >
benlovell: yes, i use rvm
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yorickpeterse >
oh I do like websites that use HTTP 200 for missing pages
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imperator >
good morning
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imperator >
what's the proper way to set $? in a C extension?
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imperator >
did i mention that i want to set it to a custom struct? :)
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darix >
yorickpeterse: http 200 when they wanted to say 401 is way more fun (hello redmine i look at you)
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yorickpeterse >
heh
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yorickpeterse >
heh, after 2 months our tech blag/wobsite is finally up
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yorickpeterse >
now to actually get everybody to write stuff for it
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<
yorickpeterse >
"Article #2: 1293812938 reasons why you should not use mongo"
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i'd read that ;)
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doesn't it basically boil down to 1 - potential data loss, 2 - disk space, 3 - see point #1 ?
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#1 is ok in a lot of cases
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(not defending mongo mind you, just saying in general)
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well, data loss is a case with every storage engine
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just less bad with some
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yorickpeterse >
in our cases Mongo is slow in general, even when you feed it beefy EC2 instances, and when it would act up it would be in denial about that
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yorickpeterse >
"NOOOOOOHOOO I'M ACTING FINE...Ok I'm super slow but I'm still fine!"
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eam >
is ruby tied to yaml 1.1 forever?
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imperator >
FOR. EV. ER.
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* imperator
doubts it actually
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eam >
I'm getting bit by differences between 1.2 (libyaml, my C stuff) and 1.1 which psych implements on top
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such as? just curious
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eam >
- yes -> true in ruby, "yes" in libyaml
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eam >
- "yes" -> "yes" in both
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eam >
it's not really a bug, as that's the 1.1 spec
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and this is why dependence on 3rd party libs can be tricky
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* eam
switches to json
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imperator >
yeah, i can't say i've ever been a huge yaml fan
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syck had issues since....a long time
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maybe i'm just not a fan of the wrapper libs, dunno
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yaml's not appropriate for anything complex imo
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spec is too vague / changing
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really nice for human readable key/val config though
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json gets me there too as long as I prettyprint it
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my biggest json beef: no comments
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yorickpeterse >
JSON is not XML
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stop trying to turn it into XML
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because comments?
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Just one of them, but also those nerds trying to add hyperlinks and shit to it
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whitequark >
eam: predictable data loss is fine
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whitequark >
sometimes
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whitequark >
unpredictable is not, unless your data is absolutely worthless
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whitequark >
that being said, I think I know a few startups for which that applies
*shrug*
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unpredictable can be fine too, there's a lot of low-value data in things like caches
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eam >
or in systems where building a huge corpus cheaply and missing some random bits isn't a big deal
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eam >
web search is like that
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whitequark >
no, a cache is entirely predictable. "any data at any moment" or more or less
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eam >
whitequark: I mean, randomly losing data in the cache
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the penalty for missing data is unimportant for many applications
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whitequark >
unpredictable is when it promises that it'll keep the data just right but then poof
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whitequark >
you couldn't predict that!
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yeah, that's not a killer for, say, memcached
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eam >
or, say, a webcrawler index where you have billion/trillions of pages and missing a few isn't going to destroy the end product
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eam >
you can do stuff like run a partitioned database across 1000 nodes with 0 redundancy, and if a query hits a cluster with 999/1000 nodes up it's "good enough"
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real search engines work like that
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whitequark >
based on what Google published in their papers, the search data is replicated at least twice
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whitequark >
s,twice,thrice,
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whitequark >
see the GFS and Bigtable papers
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(they explicitly refer to search in the Bigtable one)
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imperator >
damn, rb_gv_set won't let me set $?
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yorickpeterse >
why does it crap out? I have no fucking clue!
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yorickpeterse >
because loading YAML works just fine
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yorickpeterse >
and so does running a local copy
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yorickpeterse >
wait wtf
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yorickpeterse >
why is it using system Ruby
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drbrain >
yorickpeterse: YAML doesn't exist ordinarily unless you require 'yaml'
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drbrain >
so you're probably trying to call Kernel#load there (because RubyGems defines the YAML constant)
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yorickpeterse >
...no
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yorickpeterse >
there is an explicit require for aml
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yorickpeterse >
* yaml
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yorickpeterse >
seems to be RubyGems getting super confused as I also had this thing installed system wide
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Hi, somone knows a good tutorial to learn to make a dynamic web page with Ruby (without Rails) please ? Something applied with a project from A to Z not only theory I have no idea how to use. (I come from processing and getting to ruby is incredibly hard compared to processing, the ruby language is more intuitive but you have all those deployment and terminal things to do that are really strange). Cheers
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working with images in ruby is a pita
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zenspider >
Gilles_: how about you start smaller and just learn ruby for a bit?
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zenspider >
Gilles_: pretty sure you didn't start making full on video games in processing. you started small there too
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zenspider >
symm-: depends on what you want to do
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Gilles_ >
@zenspider I did lots of begginers tutorials but they are only theory or on browser i did half of codecademy but i don't know how to make anything on my computer or for the www
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zenspider: rmagick suits my needs but takes so many hoops to install
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simple projects but from start to finish not only the code also how to run it (thanks for your caring)
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symm-: what are you doing?
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symm- >
just some batch processing, gifs mostly
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symm- >
load the image, look at pixels, modify pixels, save the image
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Gilles_ >
thanks zenspider
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might be fun for ppl to go through and give him feedback
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