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<AndreYuhai> What's the receiving object if we had not used self, https://github.com/excid3/scheduled_tweets/blob/master/app/models/tweet.rb#L9 ?
<havenwood> AndreYuhai: `publish_at =` sets a local variable
<havenwood> AndreYuhai: `self.publish_at =` uses #publish_at=
<AndreYuhai> havenwood, but there's also the method publish_at=
<AndreYuhai> havenwood, so what's the difference between using it in after_initialize and published? method?
<AndreYuhai> one uses self and the other doesn't
<havenwood> AndreYuhai: The latter is fetching the value, and it'll properly be called on self implicitly
<AndreYuhai> and also if we try publish_at? inside after_initialize we get false. So the method works on the instance
<havenwood> AndreYuhai: The former will set a local variable, no methods involved, without an explicit `self`
<AndreYuhai> How does Ruby tell the difference
<AndreYuhai> oh let me ask it this way
<drusepth> sounds like the ruby interpretor just favors variables over methods when there's ambiguity
<AndreYuhai> so if I did the same inside published? method then it would be the same, right? publish_at would be a local variable?
<drusepth> yeah, you'll generally want self.X when you do assignment in a model if you want to assign to a property on that model instead of a local variable, even if it shares a name with the attribute you're trying to set on the model
<havenwood> AndreYuhai: Obviously, if there's a `def foo` defined, and you call `foo` it's available. But look at the `def foo=` case in that ^ gist.
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<AndreYuhai> Okay now everything makes sense, thank you drusepth, havenwood.
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<havenwood> AndreYuhai: Yeah, when getting, Ruby will try a local variable first, then method, then method missing.
<havenwood> AndreYuhai: When setting, it'll set a local variable.
<havenwood> No further, just that.
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<AndreYuhai> unless we explicitly give self. Got it.
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<havenwood> AndreYuhai: Likewise, you can use `foo()` too call the method if a local variable `foo` is defined.
<havenwood> to*
<havenwood> Or `self.foo`
<havenwood> foo() or self.foo, either disambiguates - mean.
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<havenwood> I mean*, failing at typing.
<AndreYuhai> what's the name for ||= btw
* nakilon had fun in winter of using Ruby programming language to implement an esoteric programming language: https://github.com/Nakilon/rasel
<drusepth> AndreYuhai: i've always said "or-equals" or "set if not set"
<havenwood> AndreYuhai: "or equals"
<AndreYuhai> after seeing walrus in Python I would have never guessed that it's called "or-equals" :D
<AndreYuhai> Thanks!
<drusepth> at least we've got our Hash Rockets
<AndreYuhai> oh yea that's also very creative
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<havenwood> nakilon: golfing an advent of code with an esolang you adapted? nice. https://github.com/Nakilon/rasel/blob/master/examples/adventofcode/golfed.1.1.2020.rasel
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<havenwood> nakilon: I wasn't familiar with Befunge-93
<nakilon> havenwood I didn't adapt it for golfing or advent of code
<nakilon> those are just examples of usage
<havenwood> nakilon: I figured that wasn't the *purpose*
<nakilon> and I just loved using Befunge for golfing
<havenwood> nakilon: I wish there was a bit shorter way to get at monotonic time. Handy.
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<havenwood> &>> Process.clock_gettime(Process::CLOCK_MONOTONIC, :nanosecond)
<rubydoc_> # => 112647514892064 (https://carc.in/#/r/agp6)
<havenwood> nakilon: Might want to switch Time.now to monotonic to avoid out of order instructions now and again.
<nakilon> Process::CLOCK_MONOTONIC = 6 lol
<nakilon> or make a gem for that like a leftpad ..D
<nakilon> gem install hgmt -- havenwood's golfed monotonic time
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<k_sze> Is there no registered IANA Media Type for Ruby scripts?
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<k_sze> nakilon, no, I mean .rb files don't have an associated MIME type at https://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/media-types.xhtml
<nakilon> oh
<nakilon> I don't see there any source code file type either
<nakilon> probably txt
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<NL3limin4t0r> k_sze: My file manager (nautilus) says "application/x-ruby" when I go to the preferences of an .rb script.
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<k_sze> nakilon, javascript is registered.
<k_sze> as `application/javascript`.
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<k_sze> sql and ecmascript are also registered.
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<nakilon> idk why though
<nakilon> maybe I don't understand the purpose of MIME but...
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<nakilon> should all these have a corresponding type? https://github.com/github/linguist/blob/master/lib/linguist/languages.yml
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<nakilon> JS is being executed in browser and maybe the SQL type was registered in times when web was only growing and people didn't care about exposing the requests, etc.
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<nakilon> but the rest -- I don't see any purpose of attaching the language specificator to a source code file
<nakilon> maybe just application/programming_language
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<k_sze> I think Media Type for all file formats is useful because then you are declaring the type out-of-band, you are telling any consuming application exactly how it should treat the data instead of having the applications guess using heuristics.
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<k_sze> Heuristics can fail if the data is somehow malformed or corrupted. e.g. script with syntax errors.
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<NL3limin4t0r> nakilon: For example with the MIME type of a ruby file set to `application/x-ruby` I can rename the file to `script.js` (without changing the MIME type) and the computer would still execute the script with Ruby even though it is a .js file.
<NL3limin4t0r> At least that is the idea
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<nakilon> people are hating Windows XP CD and USB drive autorun.ini/autorun.exe
<nakilon> would it be a nice idea to let computer decide to run Ruby files from the internet?..
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<k_sze> nakilon, it's not necessarily about *running* Ruby files from the internet. E.g. let's say we have some special browser that is able to display source code of various programming languages with syntax highlighting. Determining the language from the Media Type would be a lot more explicit than guessing via the file name or other heuristics such as the presence of a shebang.
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<mbuf> Is there an API to check for actively running sidekiq jobs, and to stop them?
<k_sze> Or maybe it's not the browser, but a React component that can load a script from the internet and display it with syntax highlighting.
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<nakilon> I'm fine with the Github approach of putting the extension exceptions in .gitattributes
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<AndreYuhai> In Rails if we've got a form, the submit button's name is automatically inferred from the type. For example Create User or Update User. However, I am wondering whether there's any way to change the verbs before the model name depending on the form type
<nakilon> if we browse source files there should be a root folder of them, as a place for such config
<AndreYuhai> I've got a _form partial
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<NL3limin4t0r> AndreYuhai: Are you using some gem for the form? I've used formtastic and that gem allows you to change "create", "update" and "cancel" throught the translation file. In config/locales/en.yml set en.formtastic.actions.create to a new value.
<AndreYuhai> NL3limin4t0r, No I am not using any gem. I am creating the form using form_with model: ... I was just wondering whether I could do that without any gem but apparently not.
<NL3limin4t0r> AndreYuhai: Seems like you can, looking at the documentation
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<AndreYuhai> Oh I had not checked that. I was just lazily searching on Google. :D Thank you!
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