01:09 <mrdomino> great, everything seems to work on debian jessie :)

12:16 <samba_> helo, it could be possible to think about the creation of certs of letsencrypt everytime we create a new grain?

12:20 <TimMc> samba_: I wondered that too, but it doesn't work out.

12:20 <TimMc> There's a new, unique subdomain every time each user opens each grain -- it's not one subdomain per grain.

12:20 <mrdomino> it'd be great to do it for static publishing though

12:20 <mrdomino> maybe implementing cron will give me enough of a sense of sandstorm's internals to finally do that

12:21 <TimMc> Let's Encrypt rate-limits you to 20 certs per domain per week.

12:21 <samba_> per-week

12:21 <samba_> shit

12:21 <mrdomino> (i am now at the point of "maybe i should draw up an architectural diagram")

12:22 <TimMc> Even if you wanted to compromise on security and pre-generate SAN certs with 100 subdomains (LE's max per cert) that the server would then use later, that's only 2000 grain-sessions per week, which would not work for even a moderately sized userbase.

12:23 <TimMc> samba_: I did recently find a site selling wildcard certs for as little as $40–70 though, which I'm fine with. (Not the $600 absurdities I saw earlier.)

12:24 <samba_> link?

12:26 <TimMc> samba_: I was pointed at https://www.ssl2buy.com/wildcard-ssl-certificate/ which appears to be a commodity certs reseller. I don't *think* there are any gotchas.

12:34 <samba_> tnx TimMc , I'll have a look

12:35 <samba_> the worst part setting up a sandstorm platform is exactly how to explain to the user to accept a CA

12:38 <TimMc> Heh, something I have so far managed to avoid.

12:38 <samba_> the other one for me is to explain to not share the anon link to everybody

12:38 <samba_> the use to share it and then the share by email is completely useless

12:43 <TimMc> The anon link?

12:43 <TimMc> Oh, they send a sharing link instead of inviting someone by email?

12:45 <samba_> yes

12:45 <samba_> it's annoying sometimes

12:45 <samba_> there's any way to disable it?

12:47 <TimMc> Nothing I know of... perhaps it interacts with the organization settings, though...

14:04 <Stonehedge> Hi. Can anybody give me a hand? I'm trying to set up Sandstorm on Ubuntu 16.10. When I try to start a grain (any app) I just see the loading animation. Javascript console says lots of error 404s. I think I have domain wildcard and base URL set up correctly. How stupid am I being? :D

14:16 <TimMc> Stonehedge: URL/ports can be hard to get configured right. What do the base URL, wildcard host, and ports look like in you config? (pastebin?)

14:18 <Stonehedge> Hi. Thanks for your help. http://pastebin.com/08QtQ4Aw

14:21 <TimMc> Stonehedge: Looks prety reasonable...

14:21 <Stonehedge> That's what I thought. I think I have set up my domain correctly too. Wildcards seem to be resolving ok

14:22 <TimMc> The 404s you're getting, do they seem to match the configured URL and host?

14:22 <Stonehedge> They do appear to be correct. I'll share a few, 2 secs

14:23 <Stonehedge> This appears to be reasonable to me http://c7e528eb4cf38fa000dd0baebdbc2fb5.ss.crownlab.eu/_sandstorm-init?sessionid=16e14d396a79c1f18b0335abec0ecdd554e1b887f35544edfd2a610e92eb46cb&path=/

14:23 <Stonehedge> This also looks ok to me (at a guess): http://static.ss.crownlab.eu/RTfZDtxcfLJwBy2CB

14:24 <Stonehedge> Those are both 404s

14:25 <TimMc> The subdomains resolve, but ss.crownlab.eu itself doesn't for me.

14:25 <Stonehedge> I used the https://install.sandstorm.io script to install. No errors, can't think of anything wacky that I could have done...

14:25 <Stonehedge> Good spot. Let me check that

14:26 <Stonehedge> I suspect that is something I broke trying to get it working.

14:30 <Stonehedge> I'm starting to get to the point that I'm breaking things trying to fix it. Might have to take a break for a minute soon

14:32 <Stonehedge> In fact, thats what I'm going to do. Start again. Maybe I have complicated things.

14:35 <TimMc> heh

14:36 <Stonehedge> Thanks for your help, much appreciated.

14:47 <Stonehedge> Well, I fixed it.

14:48 <Stonehedge> Error in my DNS entry. Really simple stuff. Should probably sleep more. Thanks anyway.

14:49 <TimMc> Great!

18:47 <shachaf> Didn't the Sandstorm team already join Stripe?

18:48 <shachaf> i,i is the sandstorm team some sort of semilattice?

18:53 <dwrensha> I think asheesh and Drew have joined Stripe.

18:53 <shachaf> Ah.

20:34 <matheusrv> I install sandstorm using sandcats now i want to use my custom domain whats i must do?

21:05 <TimMc> I had thought sandstorm would issue redirects for requests that hit the main URL with the wrong hostname, but I guess I'm wrong.

22:32 <Zarutian> „Sandstorm, the grains make the crackers cry“

22:48 <mnutt_> I was once again thinking about a PR to make `vagrant-spk dev` output the app's stout/stderr to spk's stdout/stdio. Are there any strong feelings about this? Just assume that every grain's output is interleaved, or some sort of foreman-style line tagging?

22:49 <mnutt_> I think it would help with the initial experience of "I packaged an app and ran vagrant-spk dev, now what's going on with it?"

22:53 <mnutt_> also, are there any updates on the sandstorm community party/meetup event?