00:36 <isd> Good to know about. Writing a decent sandstorm calendar app is vaguely on my todo list; may try to incorporate.

19:34 <abliss> I'm trying vagrant-spk for the first time, and getting a 404 because i get redirected to https://app.terraform.io/debian/boxes/jessie64/versions/8.2.1/providers/virtualbox.box which is gone. any tips?

19:41 <abliss> seems to work if i replace `sandstorm/debian-jessie64` with `debian/jessie64` in the Vagrantfile. The former claims to be a "bit-for-bit" copy of the latter... any reason not to do this?

19:59 <ocdtr_web> abliss: At bare minimum you need contrib-jessie64 or contrib-stretch64.

19:59 <ocdtr_web> But if you are going to update an old app, you might want to go ahead and update to stretch.

20:00 <ocdtr_web> If you vagrant-spk init in a new directory like you're creating a new app, you'll get a more modern Vagrantfile and global-setup.sh

20:00 <abliss> thanks. what does updating to stretch look like? is sandstorm/debian-stretch64 a thing?

20:01 <ocdtr_web> No, the Sandstorm-specific box is gone.

20:01 <abliss> https://app.vagrantup.com/sandstorm suggests no

20:01 <ocdtr_web> It just had some stuff vagrant-spk needs to work which is in contrib-

20:02 <ocdtr_web> https://github.com/sandstorm-io/vagrant-spk/blob/master/vagrant-spk#L73

20:02 <abliss> so you're saying debian/jessie64 won't work? how do i add contrib- to my vagrant box?

20:02 <ocdtr_web> debian/contrib-jessie64 should work.

20:02 <abliss> got it, thanks

20:04 <ocdtr_web> vagrant-spk was pretty badly bitrotted. I am kinda of the opinion a good way to update apps is to vagrant-spk setupvm $stack, vagrant-spk vm up, vagrant-spk init, etc. in a new folder, and then overwrite a lot of the app's existing .sandstorm folder.

20:05 <ocdtr_web> Vagrantfile and global-setup.sh shouldn't require any modification to overwrite an existing app.

20:05 <ocdtr_web> It's mostly the build.sh, launcher.sh, and setup.sh that's likely to include app-specific things.

20:07 <abliss> how do i figure out $stack ? is it in the old Vagrantfile somewhere?

20:07 <ocdtr_web> Your app has a /.sandstorm/stack file which specifies the stack it used.

20:07 <ocdtr_web> If it's GitWeb, it's diy.

20:07 <ocdtr_web> And then you probably don't need to modify build.sh, launcher.sh, or setup.sh at all.

20:10 <abliss> yep, thanks, will give it a shot

20:11 <ocdtr_web> So yeah, get the latest Vagrantfile and global-setup.sh from following the instructions to make a new vagrant-spk app, and paste them in there, because there's probably half a dozen bugs we fixed from whatever was in the GitWeb folder.

20:12 <ocdtr_web> vagrant-spk creates those files on app creation, and never really had a good story for updating them as vagrant-spk is updated. I think that's something I'd like to tackle at some point.

20:13 <ocdtr_web> Possibly expressing in those two files especially not to modify them, and having a vagrant-spk command that overwrites them.

20:13 <ocdtr_web> On my todo list, in case you are curious: Merging the open vagrant-spk PR and then calling the following version vagrant-spk 1.0.

20:14 <ocdtr_web> Because the PR fixes the last stacks that were still broken from the jessie days.

21:29 <abliss> why does vagrant-spk default to listening on 6080, the same port a real sandstorm install listens on? I only have one x86_64 machine so I have to use it for both making packages and serving live traffic. why not make vagrant-spk default to 6081 so I don't have to override it everywhere?

21:38 <isd> abliss: I can't think of a good reason, my guess is it was just oversight. Want to submit a PR?

21:50 <ocdtr_web> abliss: I think 6081 is a default mongo port.

21:51 <ocdtr_web> for Sandstorm.

21:51 <ocdtr_web> So maybe not that one. :)

21:51 <ocdtr_web> I use a different dev machine but since I do spk dev and vagrant-spk dev sometimes I've definitely done sandstorm stop solely so I can vagrant-spk vm up.

21:55 <ocdtr_web> I would go for 6090. It doesn't appear in IANA's port list at all.

22:36 <ocdtr_web> Gosh darn it.

22:36 <ocdtr_web> abliss got me on a roll. vagrant-spk 1.0 is gonna have some changes.