mnemoc changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: EOMA: Embedded Open Modular Architecture - Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://ibot.rikers.org/%23arm-netbook or http://irclog.whitequark.org/arm-netbook/ - http://rhombus-tech.net/
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<rm> seems quite cheap for a board+LCD
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<oliv3r> where is linux-sunxi chan!
<rm> right here
<rm> I do not see the value in multiplying a 1000 channels
<rm> with 5 people on each
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<oliv3r> though I agree ith this initially, the channel name is quite missleading and not exactly true :)
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<Tradie> hey i need help with the 1cm on screen shift
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<Tradie> anyone?
<rellla> anyone tried xbmca10 with empatzero's newest commit?
<Tradie> i need help with an a13
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<lundman> ok
<rm> I wonder why my cross-compiled kernel modules' sizes are 10x smaller
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<aexl> hello
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<rm> hi
<aexl> i've got a microsd sniffer. i can get kernel output. is it possible to get uboot output?
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<rm> this looks nice
<rm> for the MK802's side port
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<Tradie> can anyone help with an a13 with screen issues
<Tradie> i got told to find a guy who can help here
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<aexl> @Tradie: and what is the problem
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<aexl> i'm no expert. let's keep this public. maybe others can jump in.
<Tradie> no worries. well, my tablet died. i fixed it. theres two roms that take. one has no touchscreen. the other, the actual display is off to the left and up about 1 centimitre
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<aexl> i guess you don't have an original firmware from the vendor?
<Tradie> they woulnt supply it
<aexl> is touchscreen supposed to work in the first rom?
<Tradie> but im getting the exact same tablet off a mate tomorrow, and ill grab the firmware from that. only problem is that i dont know how to make that into a flashable image
<Tradie> and yes it is
<Tradie> and another question, could i add the touchscreen modules from the second rom to the first one?
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<aexl> could be possible. can you boot from sd card?
<Tradie> i have no idea... its just an android tablet if your wondering :P
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<aexl> the only possible way that i know of to copy an existing system is to grab everything from nand via linux from sd card.
<Tradie> i can do system dumps!
<aexl> ?how?
<Tradie> theres is a tool that uses adb to make it all automated
<aexl> what is the output format?
<Tradie> each partition gets pulled to the following files
<Tradie> boot.img data.tgz recovery.img system.tgz
<aexl> then it should be possible to build a new flashable image.
<Tradie> but im not sure how
<aexl> or do you want to use another rom?
<Tradie> i want to add the ts modules from this dump, into a dump of the correct screen placement one, then repackage
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<oliv3r> morning everybody :)
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<aexl> hello.
<aexl> @Tradie: hardware is defined in a file in the boot partition (script.bin or such) usually /dev/nanda or /dev/block/nanda. you could also try to edit its display section.
<Tradie> @aexl ive tried that, but every time i go to open the file it is just a bunch of jibberish that notepad++ cant understand
<aexl> copying modules from one to the other should also be possible. /lib/modules/{kernel version}/drivers/input/touchscreen
<oliv3r> So i'm going over some code in drivers/video/sun4i/disp/de_bsp/de/disp_display.c and notice they very clearly define sizes (which is really good I suppose). The A10 manual mentions however very 'wide' sizes. for example a lot of registers are defined as 1KiB in size, when only 12Bytes are being used (See A10/PWM for example). Not now, but in the future, do we want to have proper definitions on the A10 registers page? Or leave them as per datasheet at
<aexl> you'd have to translate the bin with https://github.com/amery/sunxi-tools
<Tradie> is that a linux commandset
<Tradie> or can i load it in cygwin or just windows
<Tradie> i dont want to reboot to linux
<aexl> i suppose that's what cygwin was made for. i'm guessing there is also a win tool for that ...
<oliv3r> setup a simple VM for that kinda of stuff :)
<oliv3r> or, run windows in a linux VM!
<Tradie> my pc can handle vms easy so i probably should
<Tradie> but another point... will a .fex be readable by notepad++
<aexl> notepad2 is my choice.
<oliv3r> gvim for windows?
<Tradie> notepad++ is like the ulitmate text editor ive ever found
<oliv3r> na, vim :p
<Tradie> ill take a look :)
<Tradie> could you give me a rundown on that package you gave me
<Tradie> like what commands do i use
<aexl> as long as it can handle unix line endings ...
<Tradie> thanks
<aexl> welcome
<Tradie> ill be back to tell you how it goes later :)
<aexl> good luck
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<oliv3r> someone able to share some insights? THere's a timer IRQ enable register. it has two options, 0 and 1; if I write 1 to it, it should enable the interrupt for the timer, but writting 0 has no effect. So once enabled, how would I disable said interupt?
<oliv3r> if in doubt, check the source!
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<rm> did you try "2" or "-1"? :P
<mnemoc> oliv3r: try the linux-sunxi mailing list
<mnemoc> -1 is a bit large...
<oliv3r> i don' thave hardware :p
<mnemoc> oliv3r: get one :)
<oliv3r> i'm reading the datasheet, and it says 0 no effect, 1 interupt enable
<oliv3r> mnemoc: I know!
<oliv3r> mnemoc: a bit strapped on cash at the moment :)
<oliv3r> and time :p
<oliv3r> mnemoc: I will sign up to the linux-sunxi mailing list however :)
<oliv3r> i'll study sunxi-wdt.c atm to find out how hno did it
<mnemoc> :)
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<mnemoc> hipboi: hi, is it possible to get some feedback from matson hall about the last sata fix patch on the ML?
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<mnemoc> :(
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<mnemoc> hno: when you get a minute, can you comment on the latest "sata fix" patch from guillaume? It's totally out of scope for me so I don't know what to do
<hno> oliv3r, the wdt is documented in my little register guide.
<oliv3r> ah, should have looked there
<oliv3r> well i haven't (yet) found any interupt enable/disable reference in the wdt, but i guess makes sense, if it's enabled/disabled globally on a higher lvl
<oliv3r> IntCtl is undefined :(
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<oliv3r> hno: nope can't find any reference in your code to 0x000; IntCtl (under Interrupt?)
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<lundman> interupt control!
<lundman> there, I helped
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<oliv3r> :D
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<oliv3r> CNTL or CTRL; i think the linux kernel generally uses 'CTNL' as abbreviation?
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<Turl> CTRL sounds more natural to me, it's what's written on the 'Control' key
<mnemoc> ctnl sounds more like "controller" to me
<mnemoc> cntl*
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<oliv3r> so CNTL for controller, and CTRL for control?
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<aexl> hello again
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<Turl> mnemoc: ping
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<mnemoc> Turl:
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<Turl> mnemoc: any idea what's that pirateish-shaped thing next to the sata connector on cubieboard?
<mnemoc> Turl: IR
<mnemoc> an annoyingly tall IR receiver
<rm> and yay, another +32 MB
<rm> by disabling Mali
<mnemoc> with mali disabled you can make fb mem dynamic
<rm> now I have [ 0.000000] LCD : 0x5a000000 - 0x5bffffff ( 32 MB)
<rm> how to get rid of that?
<mnemoc> that's FB
<mnemoc> if you want to use an smaller fbcon, disable CONFIG_FB_SUNXI_RESERVED_MEM
<mnemoc> if you don't want FB at all, disable CONFIG_FB_SUNXI itself
<rm> mnemoc, I do not have *FB_SUNXI* in my config
<mnemoc> branch/ver?
<rm> 3.0.42
<rm> the default branch I believe, "....v2"
<mnemoc> CONFIG_LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I
<rm> # CONFIG_LYCHEE_FB_SUN4I is not set
<mnemoc> updat your tree :)
<mnemoc> .oO
<mnemoc> 1m
<hno> oliv3r, the sunxi wdt is very simple. A countdown timer with IRQ and RESET connected to it's output pin.
<mnemoc> Turl: annoyingly tall. http://i.imgur.com/Lu5uEh.jpg
<hno> for use as WDT you enabled the RESET function. Not sure when one would like to use IRQ instead.
<rm> thanks, actually I did check out the tag "3.0.42"
<mnemoc> rm: doth
<mnemoc> doh*
<mnemoc> rm: this change comes right after the sunxi-v3.0.42-r1 tag, so you need the HEAD of the branch
<rm> also, I have another problem (h/w)
<rm> mk802 reboot does not seem to work when a powered USB hub is connected
<rm> not sure this is solvable
<rm> the hub seems to power mk802 as well
<rm> in addition to the PSU
<rm> because when unplugging the PSU but not the hub, the mk802 LED stays on
<mnemoc> and the hdmi, and the uart :p
<rm> no workaround?
<mnemoc> fix hw
<mnemoc> but the SoC better really powered off regardless the led
<mnemoc> s/better/gets/
<ibot> mnemoc meant: but the SoC gets really powered off regardless the led
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<mnemoc> Turl: it's unfair, my IR doesn't have eyes
<Turl> mnemoc: :)
<rm> mnemoc, awesome, thanks - Mem: 507952
<mnemoc> rm: yw :)
<rm> config now also has USB sound cards, USB DisplayLink (VGA), USB 3G Modems enabled
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<drachensun> Anyone know what rootfs I should get to pull one with HF?
<drachensun> I've been getting the linaro alip origen 12.09
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<drachensun> which works well but I think empat0 needs the armel not armhf
<drachensun> maybe that is wrong too though, and it I don't need armel, I will just take another run at building it
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<rm> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/a10_image/ here's a good one in the bottom part (Debian Wheezy)
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<Turl> rm: ipv6, nfs? :)
<cromo> hi. I have set up xbmca10 and it seems to work except for a sound lagging behind and video stuttering a bit. It seems it only starts to stutter after the sound kicks in. I am not sure whether it's only me here or is just the current state of xbmca10? other than that, it's quite impressive I must say
<rm> Turl, yes, and....
<rm> yes.
<drachensun> cromo: did you build on hard float libraries?
<Turl> rm: nfs server right?
<cromo> drachensun: AFIK there are none?
<rm> Turl, my mk802 is the IPv6 VPN router in my LAN
<Turl> nice
<cromo> I mean, cedarx is only available as armel at the moment
<rm> CONFIG_NFS_V3=y # CONFIG_NFSD is not set
<rm> will enable nfsd next time
<Turl> it'd be good to maintain a single "A10-server" config
<drachensun> cromo: ok, so if the rest of my system is setup for hard float, will that cedar driver work with it?
<Turl> I have my own too :P
<rm> oh and it also handles a webcam and an LCD screen displaying a weather report
<cromo> drachensun: I am same here, I run xbmc from within armel chroot
<rm> and an USB temperature sensor
<rm> so it's a "server" in a broad sense of the word, a home automation server of sorts :)
<drachensun> ahh ok
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<Turl> free on my mele shows 511820
<drachensun> I think I will just setup a second card with this debian image and use that to try it
<cromo> drachensun: what distro are you normally on?
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<drachensun> cromo: I'm using linaro alip 12.09. Which I think really means Im on ubuntu
<cromo> use debootstrap and schroot
<drachensun> I was thinking they probably had a non-hf package running around but I haven't found it. I'm starting to think they upgraded at some point and stopped having the armel version
<cromo> non-hf package needs non-hd dependencies
<cromo> *non-hf dependencies
<cromo> add ubuntu sources to apt/sources.list
<cromo> use debootstrap to create armel chroot
<cromo> use schroot for ease things up with mounting dev, proc, sys
<drachensun> Ok, I haven't used it before but I've got a page up now, it looks pretty straight forward
<cromo> it is
<drachensun> well thats a perfect solution then, i can keep it on the same image
<cromo> my schroot.conf: http://pastebin.com/mZXkBBNq
<drachensun> so does xbmc not use anything from x or is it going to have its own copy?
<cromo> no, it uses framebuffer
<cromo> no X dependencies
<cromo> my /etc/schroot/xbmc/fstab : http://pastebin.com/dij4wcvc
<cromo> the rest in /etc/schroot/xbmc is copied over from /etc/schroot/default
<drachensun> ok cool, I'll try that tonight. thanks for the advice.
<drachensun> is that fstab right? a delay loop?
<hno> that's not an fstab.
<cromo> it's not usable on its own, schroot uses it
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<cromo> wtf is that
<cromo> hold on, wrong paste
<drachensun> yeah, that makes a lot more sense
<drachensun> ok, thanks, I gotta run the office is calling...
<cromo> sure
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<Xlab> Hi all. I wonder if there are any differences between r2p3/r2p4/r3p0 etc mali drivers, who can help?
<techn> Xlab: yes there are differences.. there is even multiple different lib for every release
<Xlab> Oh, I mean any improvements
<techn> armel, armhf, with/without X support
<Xlab> not only numbers & compatibility stuff
<Turl> nobody knows, they are proprietary
<Xlab> okay :/
<Turl> it'd be stupid to introduce bugs only on newer releases, so one can suppose they're incrementally better
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<rm> from what I understand the r3p0 is the latest and also it is the one people had some good success with getting X11 acceleration going
<techn> best lib currently is r2p4 armhf if you want x11 support.. r2p4 armel if you want armel support without x11..
<rm> techn, why not r3p0 for armhf x11?
<Turl> r3p0 if you want android
<Xlab> I'm bulding OE, so will try r2p4 armel then
<techn> rm: I used r2p4
<techn> we dont have r3p0/1 armel libs or x11 support
<rm> afaik rz2k had success with armhf x11 and r3p0 even getting DRI to work
<techn> but I'm hoping to get proper libs for x11 armhf this week
<rz2k> rm: dri is first part of the story, second is proper libs and ump stuff.
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<afgdsgh> hi
<afgdsgh> whats the difference between RK3066 and A10 winner ?
<techn> http://linux-sunxi.org/Mali400, I updated my knowledbe of the libs
<techn> Turl: I'll update that android knowledge there too
<techn> Turl: In theory r3p1 should work with android too?
<Turl> yeah but tom didn't build r3p1 for android as far as I know
<techn> ok.. where is r3p0 libs you are using?
<Turl> they're posted on the wiki I think
<techn> I checked.. and it's build with same flags, so it should work ;)
<Turl> but it's linked to bionic I'm guessing :)
<RaYmAn> minor issue! Libhybris to the rescue :P
<Turl> ha
<Turl> RaYmAn: isn't libhybris for the opposite direction?
<Turl> (android libs over typical distro)
<RaYmAn> It's for using android libs from a plain linux distro, yes
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<Turl> we're talking of running distro libs on top of android :p
* RaYmAn shrugs
<RaYmAn> that's kind of pointless when we have fully functional android libs and crappy semi working distro libs :P
<Turl> my point :P
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<L84Supper> on the other hand, the tooling should be a bargain now
<RaYmAn> oooh, my Stellaris LaunchPad's shipped :D
<L84Supper> "Motorola was killing off Webtop at Google's behest, citing unnamed sources. "
<L84Supper> so Google has other plans
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<TomNL> guys, i updated my mele to latest android..now i dont het any serial out any more and cant seem to boot of SD...anyone familiar with this?
<L84Supper> I gues they want everyone to buy Chromebooks
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<jelly-home> pfft
<jelly-home> a bit too late for that
<afgdsgh> hey what graphic card it has Cortex-A5 Telechip TCC892 ?
<mnemoc> a card inside a chip?
<mnemoc> quick googling suggests the TCC892 has a Mali400 GPU
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<WarheadsSE> steev: ding
<steev> what?
<steev> unless you meant ping
<WarheadsSE> turns out I had a few slipshod capacitor solders on my n6x, hence my fu-whaaa?! problems with SATA/uSD
<steev> in which case, still, what?
<steev> ahh
<WarheadsSE> I have the picture on G+, but limited
<WarheadsSE> hmm, should be able to get this .. pm
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<L84Supper> mnemoc, just FYI, getting money into China is easy, it's the getting it out part that can be difficult at times
<mnemoc> :)
<L84Supper> the $50K limit applies to citizens of China per year
<L84Supper> expats are limited only by their tax receipts
<L84Supper> as far as transferring money out
<L84Supper> you can transfer any amount in to China
<mnemoc> case 1 was to get the bitcoin money turned into pounds and then wired to china
<L84Supper> businesses have different rules, they have no real limits unless things look odd to the banks
<mnemoc> case 2 get the bitcoins converted to yuan in china and someone there paying the factory
<L84Supper> any currency can come in and be exchanged for RMB
<mnemoc> but bitcoins coming from worldwide converted to pounds and then wired to china doesn't make the uk tax office nervious?
<L84Supper> ot sure if anyone recognizes bitcoin in China yet though :)
<L84Supper> it's the bitcoins showing up in the UK that will probably get the attention
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<L84Supper> not sure about UK law, but there might just be paperwork to file to transfer very large sums out to China
<mnemoc> ~70 yuan = 1 bitcoin puts that in something like $10 instead of the $2.5 I thought they were
<L84Supper> there are stories about 500K transactions being held and accounts frozen until everything is clear about liability
<L84Supper> commercials banks can handle all of this
<mnemoc> i doubt we can raise 500k :p
<L84Supper> why collect bitcoins?
<L84Supper> paypal china can convert to RMB and pay the vendor
<L84Supper> you just need somebody in china to trust with the collection efforts
<mnemoc> that thread was started by the bitcoin guy
<L84Supper> same for anywhere really
<mnemoc> and I suggested paypal :p
<L84Supper> banks in Hing Kong as well
<L84Supper> Hong Kong, not sure about Hing Kong :)
<mnemoc> ideal seems to be to have an account in a .hk branch of a uk/us bank + paypal
<L84Supper> HSBC
<mnemoc> fees and delays wise
<mnemoc> yes
<L84Supper> you can setup an account in China and wherever else they are
<L84Supper> but getting money out of China is still the difficult direction
<L84Supper> getting it in is easy
<mnemoc> it might be because he is chinese, but Tom has been months waiting to get his company account approved
<L84Supper> yes, he has to register
<L84Supper> not sure how he handled that
<L84Supper> or what class of company he registered as
<L84Supper> AFAIK a high tech co needs 1,000,000 rmb in order to register, but thats the catch 22, how do you get 1M to start?
<mnemoc> :<
<L84Supper> you need the registration to get the bank account
<L84Supper> IANAL esp a Chinese one, but he probably should have done this a bit differently
<mnemoc> more than likely
<L84Supper> is that the problem Tom is having?
<mnemoc> afaik he is simply waiting to get the company account approved
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<mnemoc> and his personal bank doesn't want to give him the money he withdrew from paypal
<L84Supper> the tax man
<L84Supper> well it's tough since he already started down this path
<mnemoc> otoh alibaba doesn't pay him until people receives the products, so doesn't help funding
<L84Supper> yeah, he should have consulted with a financial expert first
<mnemoc> eventually things will get solved
<L84Supper> also depends on who is working with the get everything setup
<L84Supper> that explains the sudden stop
<mnemoc> http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/crowdsource_funding/ still has only 3 people listed :<
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<jelly-home> Please put your name (or other mnemonic) "mnemoc" # doin' it wrong! <g>
<zub> created on top of linux-sunxi-3.4
<mnemoc> zub: valid for 3.0 too?
<mnemoc> jelly-home: :)
<zub> haven't tried... but I can have a look
<zub> funny... stripping down defconfig I'm in a state that ifconfig and dhclient always die with some horrible kernel message. but defconfig itself works...
<zub> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INTEGRITY ... should this be enabled? it is in defconfig, and I had a config that dies on kernel startup when the option is off and works when it's on. but with a different config it seems to work when it's off. does the HW really have any support for this integrity stuff?
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<zub> mnemoc: the same issue (using input_* from drivers/power/axp_power/axp*-sply.c) is present in allwinner-v3.0-android-v2 + patch applies cleanly
<zub> -> I'd say yup, also for allwinner-v3.0-android-v2
<Turl> mnemoc: do you want me to redo my patch in that other way? I don't have any preference for either format
<mnemoc> Turl: I only made questions. I'm no dictator
<mnemoc> zub: thank you! I'll apply it on both
<zub> n/p, it's trivial anyway
<mnemoc> trivial but missing
<Turl> there's a lot of trivial stuff missing, and it's equally important :)
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<Turl> mnemoc: http://sprunge.us/DWBA
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<zub> (look at "zub@mk802:~$ /sbin/ifconfig")
<mnemoc> Turl: ML, but the first question remains unanswered, and the "likely" seems unneeded
<zub> just the ifconfig process dies. the same happens for dhclient, so it seem anything accessing the network interfaces dies
<Turl> mnemoc: the likely is a compiler optimization hint
<zub> I can find the cause by going from defconfig (where it works) to mu stripped down config (where this happens), but I'm asking in case it was something obvious...
<mnemoc> Turl: yes, to optimize branches, but in this case it doesn't give any gain imo
<mnemoc> zub: weird
<Turl> mnemoc: ==NULL happens only once on my testing
<Turl> so it's unlikely
<mnemoc> ok
<zub> I'll try to figure the network issue tomorrow. 'night
<mnemoc> i'm going to sleep too. good night
<mnemoc> Turl: ML please ;-) there is an open thread to close :)
<mnemoc> don't forget the reply-to argument
<Turl> mnemoc: yep give me a minute
<Turl> mnemoc: btw, "tty: sunxi-8250: fix something in the hackery with more hackery" doesn't seem to fix the issue with the console spamming those lines
<mnemoc> :(
<mnemoc> good to sleep now
<mnemoc> good night
<Turl> mnemoc: I'm sending it now
<Turl> mnemoc: what should I type on message-id?
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<Turl> rm do you have your server config somewhere online?
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<Marex> Turl: that likely() is there mostly for intel
<Marex> on intel, the in-CPU branch predictor can be programmed and can be hinted
<Marex> so if you generate proper code, the CPU will execute the code a bit faster
<Marex> if there's no hint, the CPU prefetches both results of the jump ... if there's hint, it prefetches only one (the expected one) and doesn't prefetch the other
<Marex> in case the prefetch is incorrect, it's dropped and the correct one is fetched
<Marex> but if it fetches the correct one n-times and 1 times the incorrect one, the sum gain is actually better
<Marex> zub: you're fjfi ? :D
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