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<Turl> would you guys like a public pisg for the channel? it's mostly just for the lulz :)
<rm> what's a pisg
<Turl> something like this
<rm> on a related note, I intensely hate when a channel's logs are posted on the web publicly
<rm> on this one they are and guess I can't do anything about it
<rm> so with any pisg you add you can't really make it worse already, as far as I'm concerned :)
<Turl> rm: I don't really like public logs much
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<Turl> rm: but there's channels that are pretty much the equivalent of a mailing list
<Turl> (like this, for example)
<rm> I used to being formal on the mailing lists
<rm> and used to saying stuff that I don't want to be googleable for 100 years down the road on IRC
<rzk> public logging is ok for channels with developing going on.
<Turl> rm: yeah, my point is, there's so many people here you probably won't want to talk about your life, your pet or whatever
<Turl> even if logging weren't being published on the web
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<TomNL> mnemoc: do you think we will get newer linux libs?
<rzk> just dont say stuff you dont want to be googleable anywere on net, and remember, anonymity is a myth.
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* rm ponders if google will exist 100 years from now
<rm> (or the humanity)
<TomNL> which ICS image is best to use, the mele one, or the general a10 one?
<Turl> rm: supposedly we're all gonna disappear this december or so :P
<rzk> google maybe not, but its legacy (statistics reports, databases and all the stuff) will survive.
<rzk> too many private info to die with some corporation
<RaYmAn> imagine future generations using google data to find info on us all =P
<RaYmAn> that kind of reminds me of futurama - they'd get a completely wrong image of it =P
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<mnemoc> rzk: we already had a bot logging... since 4yo :) ... nothing new to warn :)
<mnemoc> 4ya*
<rm> no it isn't :< RK2918 ARM cortexA8,Maxi 1.2GHz
<rm> and I reeeeeally doubt they ship EMS
<rm> they just listed all possible methods available as free shipping
<Turl> rm: anyway, 60$ is cheap
<Turl> if you consider shipping I had to pay like 90$ for my mele
<rm> RK2918 <- so go buy a brick
<rm> about as useful :)
<Turl> it's a cortex a8 right? :P
<Turl> at 1.2Ghz
<zenitraM> title says "2.3VIA 1GHZ"
<mnemoc> android 2.3, 1GHz .... the "VIA" thing is a "chinese SEO" trick
<mnemoc> are there recent RK2918 kernel/uboot sources?
<rm> afaik there's nothing at all
<rm> other than some fishy patched android 2.3 firmware's in .RARs on Italian forums
<rm> for the RK2918
<rm> but so far there's nothing with regard to running a real GNU/Linux distro on these
<rm> and if you just need an android box, then meh get a VIA WM88whatever they're even cheaper :)
<rm> (or, looking at aliexpress, maybe not)
<mnemoc> i prefer to stick with platforms with public working sources :p
<rm> $61.5 for 1GB already
<traeak> better pricing definitely
<traeak> where's the sata man ?
<rm> SATA is overrated
<Turl> I just noticed.. I won't have any use for sata :(
<Turl> the hdd I was going to use was on a case
<Turl> and it died meh :(
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<mnemoc> no old laptop with sata disk to steal?
<traeak> hehe, a laptop with sata is "new" to me
<mnemoc> my last 3 have had sata...
<Turl> mnemoc: I have only ever had one laptop :P
<Turl> which is the one I'm using to type this
<mnemoc> i tend to forget the age factor :p
<mnemoc> my first laptop (a thinkpad) had windows 3.11
<Turl> sata didn't gain much traction after the P4 era though
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<Turl> until after*
<mnemoc> P4=2000
<mnemoc> s/=/>=/
<ibot> mnemoc meant: P4>=2000
<mnemoc> ibot!
<Turl> sata was a like 2001-2002 thing as far as I recall
<mnemoc> yes, sounds reasonable
<Turl> so you replaced your laptop 3 times in 10 years, once every 3 years and a bit, sounds reasonable
<mnemoc> my current is 1yo
<mnemoc> but yes 3-4y
<traeak> sata standard created in 2003
<Turl> $ sudo dmidecode|grep Release
<Turl> Release Date: 07/28/2009
<traeak> so there's lag time of course for getting controllers implemented
<traeak> and time for drives to catch up
<mnemoc> not long ago machines still had usb1... and in win 95 you had to install tcp/ip support as an extension...
<mnemoc> these days we just give their existance as facts of life
* Turl used an IBM Aptiva with windows98
<Turl> or 95 was it?
<mnemoc> back then I was fan of an unknown manufacturer.... first called multitech (the brand of my first 8086) and then rebranded as "acer".... very exotic
<Turl> my laptop is an acer
<Turl> :P
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<traeak> nice, lenovo has some x120e's with e350s for 285USD
<traeak> outlet
<traeak> scratch and dent (not refurb)
<mnemoc> traeak: that's what I use currently. 4GB model
<mnemoc> traeak: my first computer was a multitech 8086, then 286, 386, 486sx, 486dx2 and "pentium" ... all acer :)
<traeak> mnemoc: memory is ridiculously cheap so that's a non issue
<mnemoc> traeak: great machine
<traeak> my first was a 386-25, added cyrix co-processor
<mnemoc> love it
<traeak> i waited until colege to get a computer
<traeak> probably very wise move
<mnemoc> i remember I bought the 386 only to rip stereo MP3s :p
<traeak> i had the computer 2 years then sold it :-p
<traeak> waited for another 3 years to buy another, missed out on the start of the "web"
<rm> computers are overrated :)
<traeak> mnemoc: the stinkpad woudl be a good machine if you didn't hvae to worry about grubby 2yro mitts dumping candy into it
<rm> well, as we know them
<traeak> i need a funky "split" keyboard to do any serious typing
<traeak> otherwise i toast my wrists
<traeak> what sucks is that MS seems to be the primary manufacturer of split keyboards
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<Turl> traeak: MS hardware is, contrary to their software, good :)
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<traeak> Turl: i still HATE giving them any money regardless
<Turl> I won't blame you for that
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<nikk> guys, don't you have standby issues on 3.0.36 android kernel?
<nikk> on sun4i devices
<Turl> define 'standby issues'
<nikk> my novo7a doesn't sleep
<mnemoc> too much coffee?
<nikk> nothit was fine on 3.0.31 ;-)
<nikk> i even turn on all debugging
<nikk> and it looks like it related to rtc or alarm
<mnemoc> nothing in that upgrade should affect standby.... might you test jumping back to the sunxi-v3.0.31-1 tag?
<nikk> mnemoc, hm, i saw same behaviour on 3.0.31 (external usb hub blinking again on 3.0.36)
<nikk> but it was fine after some config changes. I tried disable user wakelocks on 3.0.36, but PM won't work without it
<mnemoc> uh, google docs as paste service... that's new for me
<traeak> coffee is good for you
<mnemoc> not for a battery powered device
<traeak> should be some way to turn coffee into an energy source
<mnemoc> coffee based fuel cells?
<Triffid_Hunter> traeak: gasifiers can run on coffee grounds
<traeak> coolio
<traeak> coffee grounds inside a balloon seem to make for a superior robotic "hand"
<traeak> put grounds in balloon, put in air and the balloon shapes itself to object, suck out all the air and bam, instant rigidity
<Turl> burn coffe and use the heat to boil water, then produce energy
<Turl> coffee*
<traeak> or use grounds for compost :-p
<traeak> okay back on track i think
<nikk> it's always wake with event: 0x11 SUSPEND_WAKEUP_SRC_EXINT: 0x1, SUSPEND_WAKEUP_SRC_ALARM: 0x10. and tablet reports zero sleep time and many attempts in adb shell cat /sys/kernel/debug/suspend_time: time (secs) count: 0 - 1 7037
<traeak> more distraction: cheap entertainment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPfLZFHcNv4
<mnemoc> nikk: can you add that to a ticket in github?
<nikk> yup i'll do
<mnemoc> nikk: it would be great if you could confirm if it reproduces or not on sunxi-v3.0.31-0 and sunxi-v3.0.31-1 tags
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<nikk> mnemoc i'll check that branches. it looks like old bug on 3.0.31 with external HUB. On 3.0.36 it blinks almost the same as before ;-)
<nikk> but with or without external hub things doesn't changes, tablet won't sleep
<mnemoc> uhm
<mnemoc> it might me related to self-wakeup problems others have reported
<nikk> i leave it at night without hub:7000 sleep attempts with 0 sleep time
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<nikk> mnemoc looks like rtc or alarm interrupt prevent it
<nikk> and it shared with power off times, as i understand
<nikk> timer
* mnemoc needs 50h days :<
<nikk> mnemoc ) to sleep more? ;-)
<nikk> standby problems can in thoury be related to sunxi-rtc, as it report alarm is armed on boot
<mnemoc> nikk: too much sh*t to do, and too old to not sleep
<nikk> mnemoc sunxi code is... not well formed, i agree ) even comments typos everywhere
<mnemoc> even symbol typos!
<rm> demand comments in grammatically correct Chinese
<Turl> mnemoc: you mean too young? theorically you need to sleep less the older you are
<mnemoc> Turl: that statement doesn't apply to people working 114-18h/d
<mnemoc> 14-18*
<nikk> mnemoc you're in italy, will you go to sardinia soon (vacation)? ;-)
<nikk> or sicilia )
<Turl> mnemoc: so you work and sleep 6h? ouch
<mnemoc> Turl: I pass over 23h/d in the same room
<mnemoc> kind of crippy
<mnemoc> creepy*
<Turl> yeah
<mnemoc> nikk: I'm a sun hater, will go to scotland actually
<mnemoc> nikk: why?
<traeak> i'm susceptible to skin cancer (already had some removed) and live in CO...bummer
* mnemoc needs a life
<nikk> mnemoc: i heard there are many cool places also (in scotland). have a warm wool from there )
<Turl> traeak: colombia?
<mnemoc> .co != CO
<traeak> Turl: colorado...colombia the humidity filters out a lot of the sun radiation
<mnemoc> Turl: americans assume the world knows the postal code of their states :p
<Turl> :)
<Turl> internationally CO is usually colombia :P
<nikk> i want to visit .co someday =)
<traeak> heh
<traeak> mnemoc: of corse why shouldn't you? :-p
<mnemoc> except for americans where CO is colorado and colombia is the name of their private cocaine and coffee factory
<traeak> i didn't even know colombia had internet
<nikk> it even exist in Nepal )
<nikk> isdn lnes )
<Turl> traeak: how would they coordinate drug shipping without the interwebz? :)
<mnemoc> :p
<nikk> )))
<traeak> actually the problem here is the weather is so nice i religiously biked to work 2-3 days a week for a couple of years...same side of my face hit by the sun morning and afternoon
<traeak> hehe
<traeak> anyways
<Turl> how much of a bike run?
<traeak> hmm....
<traeak> almost 20km each way
<traeak> maybe closer to 18
<nikk> in 10 minutes? )
<Turl> 10 minutes? lol
<traeak> no, ~40mins or so
<Turl> maybe if you had a jetpack you'd get in 10m :)
<traeak> the way it is here i had head winds both ways
<nikk> honda cbr600 will pass ))
<traeak> about 1000m elevation change
<traeak> sry 300m (hehe)
<traeak> bike trails about 80% of the way which made it pretty cool
<traeak> kids killed that
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<TomNL> does anyone know if a usb keyboard/mouse should work with ics on mele?
<rm> did you try and they don't?
<TomNL> i tried a trust keyboard with mouse, but its wireless
<TomNL> i am wondering if anyone else tested
<steev> TomNL: SHOULD yes, do they... no one knows
<TomNL> steev: hehe thnx
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<rm> try different ports
<rm> maybe some port is configured as a 'device' not host
<rm> or not enabled
<TomNL> k thnx
<steev> hm, that does remind me i wanted to test that second port on my tablet
<TomNL> else i will hook up adb to see what is does
<TomNL> gimli: did you get any news on new linux libs?
<gimli> nope
<TomNL> gimli: mmm too bad
<gimli> working on it
<TomNL> gimli: ok, I got my mele today...i will try to help once i get android running ok, and linux from SD
<traeak> any torrent for the newest mele ics?
<traeak> tried getting that before and well...
<traeak> paint dries dramatically faster than that download was going
<TomNL> its on lundman's ftp
<rzk> is it only me, but freebirds in mail list looks like a good troll
<traeak> ugh not sure which one...
<traeak> okay got it
<traeak> reading helps
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<hno> rzk, not a troll, but certainly not a normal average person.
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<steev> i should sub to the ml
<mnemoc> steev: you are missing all the fun :)
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<steev> yeah i know, but i'm super busy with work :(
<hno> steev, sort it to a mail folder, and periodically Ctrl-A DEL when not having time to read.
<steev> hno: this is 2012, no need to delete any emails, just mark all as read
<mnemoc> wasteful thinking
<zenitraM> "When the crackers procure the MAC address of my network adapter, I discard it and replace it with a new one."
<zenitraM> what the... i don't even...
* mnemoc doesn't read freebirds mails anymore
<steev> hah
<steev> not that it's hard, you can change your MAC at will
<zenitraM> well, on the a10 he has the advantage of not having a mac address *at all*
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<hno> steev, this is 2012, no need to save any list emails, they are all archived in 100 copies easily browseable on the net.
<hno> steev, ofcourse you can change the MAC, but what's the point?
<steev> dunno
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<specing> mnemoc: can you enable https on linux-sunxi.org?
<mnemoc> specing: no :( .... but maybe there extensions to enable federated login to a service you trust?
<specing> Why not?
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<mnemoc> only one ip, and the only free CA supporting wildcards I would use if not supported broadly (cacert.org)
<mnemoc> s/if/is/
<ibot> mnemoc meant: only one ip, and the only free CA supporting wildcards I would use is not supported broadly (cacert.org)
<specing> mnemoc use a selfsigned, like I do
<specing> The browser I use doesen't even check for CA signatures
<specing> the CA system is broken anyway
<specing> Its just used as a cash cow
<mnemoc> that's yours. mine does validate
<specing> giving a false sense of security
<specing> can you *please* enable https?
<mnemoc> no
<specing> You dont have to use it yourself...
<mnemoc> bad ssl is more harmful that no ssl
<mnemoc> I can enable federated login.... assuming there are extensions for that, or buy a commercial cert and extra ip if the site ever gets used, or both
<specing> Dude the CA system is broken anyway
<mnemoc> I won't encourage people to accept bad certs, ever
<specing> ...
<specing> Well Im going to disable normal http in the next couple of days on my server
* hno liks the idea of PGP SSL certs.
<specing> hno: you should check out crypto anarchy :)
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<hno> mnemoc, what is a bad cert?
<mnemoc> hno: :)
<hno> specing,
<hno>
<hno> specing, have several friends who are too deeply involved in Telecomix and related activities.
<mnemoc> hno: in that sentence I was only refering to one not validated by whatever browser is been used
<mnemoc> hno: to the action of "nah, f* it, just add an exception"
<hno> the CA system is broken by design. Or was it $$... not sure what came first.
<hno> I.e. if it was the breakage that attracted $$ or if the breakage was triggered by $$.
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<Turl> you can get free certs on https://cert.startcom.org/?lang=es and http://www.freessl.com/ if I recall correctly
<Turl> well 'freessl' might be just a trial
<hno> there is several CAs who give out free certs for single domains.
<mnemoc> hno: fully agree... I worked for years at cacert.org trying to get the f* $audit$ passed... but I won't put my grain of sand to encourage people to blindly accept warnings
<hno> agreed.
<hno> so get them to import the CAcert CA instead?
<mnemoc> I would buy^Wrent the extra ip, so we can use a free single domain cert, but only if people actually uses the wiki
<mnemoc> hno: I do that where I have some level of control over the audience (private web apps), but on sites intended as public it's kind of.... complicated
<Turl> mnemoc: SSL over IPv6?
<hno> Turl, what about it?
<Turl> (is that even possible? ipv6 are usually free)
<specing> Just be fast, otherwise there might be yet another wiki going up
* hno fails to see the connection
<Turl> hno: get a cert over ipv6, no need to buy a v4
<Turl> (if it is possible, that is)
<hno> Get an IPv6 for https on the wiki you mean?
<Turl> yeah
<Turl> besides most of the people who have v6 at this point know how to add a CA
<hno> If only at least some users in Europe or US had IPv6...
<mnemoc> my ISP doesn't even plan to add ipv6 any time soon...
<hno> My hosting provider do have IPv6... you get charged 1 SEK per IPv6, 10 SEK per IPv4.
<mnemoc> but:
<mnemoc> linux-sunxi.org.3593INAAAA2a01:4f8:a0:3161::2
<mnemoc> uh, tabs removed
<Turl> you can probably call my ISP, ask, and they'll tell you 'ipvwhat?'
<mnemoc> :)
<Turl> but I have a HE tunnel
<hno> Mine actually answered.. uhm... yes we will implement IPv6.. some day in future. No idea how far in future.
<jimyx17> mnemoc: which isp do you have?
<hno> host home.hno.se
<mnemoc> jimyx17: jazztel.es
<jimyx17> wow, the same as me
<mnemoc> hno: nice tool that `host` is
<Turl> I use v6 everywhere I can
<Turl> /whois me for example
<Turl> :P
* mnemoc introduces Turl to the /say command
<hno> /hello
<mnemoc> :)
<Turl> mnemoc: typing a space is 3 chars less ;)
<mnemoc> Turl: but uglier
<mnemoc> breaks the holy alignment :)
<Turl> mnemoc: fix your client to trim messages? :P j/k
<mnemoc> that would break ascii-art pasting :p
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<Turl> if user == 'Turl' and r'^ .*'.matches(message):
<Turl> message.lstrip()
<mnemoc> Turl: that's self-breaking :p
<mnemoc> trimming that python code would break the code
* hno drifts off to sleep. Have an appointment with a dental butcher in the morning..
<mnemoc> ouch
<Turl> mnemoc: :P
<mnemoc> good night hno
<Turl> hno: good luck :)
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<hno> She did a good job with the lower jaw this tuesday, time for the upper jaw tomorrow.
<mnemoc> twice the same week?
<mnemoc> that's masochism
<mnemoc> specing: i'll make it simpler for you, if you get hno into linux-sunxi.org, I'll give you proper https :)
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<mnemoc> good night
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