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<furan> why do the allwinner chips have custom block driver code for nand?
<ManoftheSea> why dont' they have fully open sources?
<ManoftheSea> Someone is doing something wrong
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<lundman> hello
<Turl> hi lundman
<lundman> playing with xbmc on pc at the moment.. its the way I'm going :)
<lundman> need download link
<DonkeyHotei> omfg
<DonkeyHotei> who needs the gnu for xbmc on a10 when there's that?
<Triffid_Hunter> DonkeyHotei: me :)
<DonkeyHotei> how is xbmc still the "killer app" for gnu on a10 for you?
<lundman> $89? I'd give that a go for supporting the port
<lundman> bah wont ship to your country
<Triffid_Hunter> DonkeyHotei: xbmc is a curiosity, not my primary use ;)
<lundman> fking americans
<DonkeyHotei> i was saying xbmc is no longer a reason, not that there no longer is a reason
<furan> going to try getting 64gb of nand working with the a10 next week
<furan> (2 32gb chips)
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<rm> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE0MDA Major Open-Source ARM Announcement Coming
<ZaEarl> don't get my hopes up
<lundman> getting a semi in anticipation!
<orly_owl> >_>
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<gimli> rm: the phorinix due is just an ass. read how he writes. like a little child whos lolly got stolen
<hno> DonkeyHotei, the very much same things we feel missing for XBMC on GNU Linux A10 is alsomissing for XMBC on Android Linux A10., audio&video codec support.
<gimli> there is no xbmc android hw videodecoding for the A10
<hno> hi gimli
<gimli> hi hno
<hno> gimli, any idea what that phorinix announcement is about?
<gimli> hno: nope. i just know that dude is a big ass
<Shivan> on android, i think xbmc could do the same thing that mx video player do, im not sure exactly how they do it, but i know that the thing can use HW decoding on every arm cpu... somehow.
<hno> furan, should work fine. but you need to modify script.bin accordingly and reflash using livesuite with full format.
<Shivan> first i trought it was using own codecs running on specific ARM instruccions(it comes with a codec pack), like Neon on armv7, but i try it on my aurora and its definately using the cedar decoder.
<hno> Shu
<hno> Shivan, are you really sure? I thought the CedarX was not fully integrated in Android either.
<Shivan> there is no way that A10 can handle a + 20mbps 1080P VC-1 video whiout Cedar
<Shivan> with a cpu underclocked to 300mhz
<hno> agreed
<hno> interesing. so probably CedarX have got a working OMX face now.
<hno> Shivan, do you you have adb running? (or otherwise a root shell'?)
<Shivan> yeah
<specing> furan: gb as in gigabits?
<hno> Shivan, can you try "stagefright -l"
<specing> furan: my tablet has an unpopulated pad identical to the nand (32gbit) one
<hno> specing, many do. The A10 supports two NAND chips, and having pads gives production flexibility in selection components and flash size.
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<Shivan> OMX.google.aac.decoder Roles: audio_decoder.aac
<Shivan> OMX.google.amrnb.decoder Roles: audio_decoder.amrnb
<Shivan> OMX.google.amrwb.decoder Roles: audio_decoder.amrwb
<Shivan> OMX.google.g711.alaw.decoder Roles: audio_decoder.g711alaw
<Shivan> OMX.google.g711.mlaw.decoder Roles: audio_decoder.g711mlaw
<Shivan> OMX.google.h263.decoder Roles: video_decoder.h263
<Shivan> OMX.google.h264.decoder Roles: video_decoder.avc
<Shivan> OMX.google.mp3.decoder Roles: audio_decoder.mp3
<Shivan> OMX.google.mpeg4.decoder Roles: video_decoder.mpeg4
<Shivan> OMX.google.vorbis.decoder Roles: audio_decoder.vorbis
<Shivan> OMX.google.vpx.decoder Roles: video_decoder.vpx
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<lundman> so you can register handlers for formats?
<hno> Hm.. that looks like software-only?
<hno> the stagefright -l output.
<Shivan> well i heard that Allwinner does not use OMX... but i dont know how MX video player can enable HW video playback on Cedar, its using something, the cpu underclock rules out the possibility of using their own ARM codecs that take advantage of cpu instruccions, i think they use that for software decode mode. I did not much about it either, because it was working :P
<Shivan> I did not care much about it either, because it was working :P
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<lundman> never look at that part of android myself
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<hno> never looked at android at all
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<xxiao> Mele2000 arrived, took 12 days on the way, not bad
<madmalkav> well, in the odroid-x forum they said that hdmi port can do bitstreaming but some modification on the sources will be needed
<madmalkav> good to know
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<hipboi> it seems the uhost has polulated uart
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<CIA-122> rhombus-tech: Hiloyasu master * ra41148f73e4d /allwinner_a10/orders/blaster.mdwn:
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<DonkeyHotei> hipboi: the charging cable you included with the F10 does not fit the F10, so i can't charge it
<hipboi> really?
<hipboi> i never opened it
<hipboi> let me try one
<hipboi> i think it's mini usb
<specing> the charging cable or the usb cable?
<specing> ah, the remote
<specing> nevermind
<DonkeyHotei> the cable in the box is a mini usb cable, but the connector on the F10 is not mini usb
<specing> is it smaller?
<DonkeyHotei> mini usb is smaller, yes
<specing> I mean is it micro?
<DonkeyHotei> no, bigger
<hipboi> i have opened one
<specing> DonkeyHotei: :O
<specing> is it B?
<hipboi> i think the cable fits the F10
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<hipboi> DonkeyHotei: what's the color of the cable in your F10 package?
<DonkeyHotei> off-white
<hipboi> yes
<hipboi> i should work i think
<hipboi> you can't plug the cable into F10?
<DonkeyHotei> nope
<hipboi> then what't the problem
<hipboi> what's the problem
<DonkeyHotei> different connector
<DonkeyHotei> the F10 is not mini usb
<DonkeyHotei> the cable is
<hipboi> can you show me a picture?
<DonkeyHotei> of the F10?
<hipboi> i see F10 is mini usb here
<hipboi> yes
<DonkeyHotei> the connector on the F10 looks like mini vga but smaller
<hipboi> really?
<DonkeyHotei> hipboi: pic sent
<hipboi> i saw it
<hipboi> the F10 here is the same as yours
<hipboi> it's mini usb
<hipboi> though it looks like not
<DonkeyHotei> that is not mini usb
<hipboi> it fits mini usb port
<DonkeyHotei> i can take a pic of the included cable, which is standard mini usb
<DonkeyHotei> the F10 does not fit it
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<hipboi> yes, i know the cable looks different with the port on F10
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<hipboi> here i have a uHost, which has the same usb port as F10
<hipboi> and uHost comes with a mini usb cable
<hipboi> which can work on the uHost
<mnemoc> hipboi: picture from the inside? :)
<hipboi> i can't find a camera currently
<gimli> hipboi: hi
<DonkeyHotei> hipboi: i sent a pic of the cable too
<hipboi> gimli: hi
<hipboi> DonkeyHotei: yes, my cable is the same as yours
<DonkeyHotei> it doesn't fit
<DonkeyHotei> the connectors are different
<hipboi> but you can plug into it, isn't it?
<DonkeyHotei> no
<DonkeyHotei> doesn't fit
<hipboi> ok, i will take a video tomorrow, show you if they fit
<rm> hum
<rm> come to think of it, Xbmc for android is awesome
<hipboi> yes
<hipboi> i think so
<rm> because that's something I could run on my RK2918 device
<rm> where there's no real option to boot a GNU/Linux system instead of android
<hipboi> gimli: do you think so?
<rm> tomtop-mk802 Export, China CNCANA Date: 06/28/2012 15:26
<rm> Import MOSCOW PCI-1 Date: 07/14/2012
<rm> yay~
<rm> only took what, 2.5 weeks in the ether
<gimli> hipboi: no
<rm> gimli, xbmc won't run on RK2918?
<rm> or is that about something else
<gimli> about android
<rm> ah, in general
<rm> well, at first I thought it's "meh, doesn't concern me"
<rm> but then I remembered that I might have a use for it
<gimli> android is just bloated java crapt for my needs on the TV
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<Turl> for whoever wanted to know, CedarX support is implemented as a mediaplayer, think stagefright
<Turl> ;p
<Turl> mnemoc: is it actually called CedarX?
<mnemoc> i think so
<Turl> because there's CedarX, CedarA
<Turl> and I think I saw "Cedar" somewhere too
<mnemoc> write it down ;-)
<mnemoc> the only way to solve this puzzle is with different people researching different parts, and documenting the findings
<DonkeyHotei> mnemoc: Seagate GoFlex form factor does not fit the A2000 :(
<DonkeyHotei> i'm going to need the Mele-made sleeve after all
<mnemoc> o_O
<mnemoc> and a bare disk?
<mnemoc> too ugly?
<mnemoc> Turl: \o/
<mnemoc> Turl: with the libraries we have, can cedarx be implemeneted at a lower level in the android framework?
<Turl> the Right Way (TM) would be using OMX
<mnemoc> can we?
<Turl> no idea, gimli might be able to answer that
<mnemoc> afaik he doesn't care about android
<Turl> yeah but there's OMX support on linux frameworks too
<Turl> and he has worked with the prop libs
<gimli> no clue
<DonkeyHotei> there is no way a bare disk can be stable on it if it gets jostled
<Turl> mnemoc: now that I remember, allwinner *had* a single h264 component on the git history
<Turl> kind of a hack, I suppose, to make flash player do hw decoding
<Turl> but they removed it and as far as I have history for, never added it back or reworked it
<mnemoc> narf
<rz2k> redscorpio's tools got ported to linux http://pastebin.com/MfiTZzkE
<rz2k> eFex dir is probably one for hno
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<rz2k> hno: could you please investigate if this will be helpful for reversing livesuit/phoenix protocol? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1096320/eFex.tar.bz2
<hno> Nice.
<hno> eFex files are part of the firmware.
<hno> but very useful to have a Linux tool for decrypting random firmwares.
<hno> Hm.. have not seen card_update_bootX.axf before.
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<hno> rz2k, where can I find the Linux version of redscorpios tools?
<rz2k> he doesnt want to share it right now, it is still bogous, I just got beta build for testing because I've asked him for linux version. I will notify when it will atleast build firmware back
<hno> Not interested in repacking, only decrypting.
<hno> But got a windows thing running now so can do with the windows tools.
<rz2k> usage is imgrepacker image.img to unpack, imgrepacker image.img.dump/ to repack.
<mnemoc> rz2k: can you add this stuff to linux-sunxi.org?
<rz2k> yes, any suggestion on article name? is there a page about firmware modifying?
<mnemoc> do the "official" images have a name?
<mnemoc> livesuit images?
<rz2k> thats why I'm asking, I dont know how to name it
<mnemoc> let's go with livesuit images for now
<mnemoc> unless you have a better name
<rz2k> ok
<mnemoc> we are already calling "phoenix images" those created by phoenix card
<hno> livesuit images is a good name.
<hno> phoenix card images contains the livesuit image as well.
<hno> with the sdcard bootloaders extracted to the card unencrypted so it can boot and flash from the firmware image.
<mnemoc> :)
<mnemoc> thanks :)
<mnemoc> hno: http://wikipediafs.sourceforge.net/ <--- $EDITOR friendly interface to the wiki ;-)
<RaYmAn> hah, that's kind of cool-ish
<mnemoc> :)
<Turl> mnemoc: I see the wiki is gaining more content by the day :)
<mnemoc> slooooowly, but yes :)
<Turl> RaYmAn: so, did you get root on your A10 device yet? :P
<RaYmAn> Turl: of course
<Turl> I'm considering attempting to write an OMX wrapper to CedarX
<Turl> I've never done any A/V work though
<RaYmAn> that sounds...fun
<RaYmAn> :P
<Turl> yeah I guess :P
<Turl> if anyone wants to join, I'll keep it open on a github repo once I have actual code :)
<mnemoc> Turl: wiki wiki wiki
<Turl> mnemoc: wiki what?
<Turl> mnemoc: I'm barely looking at the example code still :P
<mnemoc> anything you learn, and a paragraph about the project and it's reason :)
<Turl> yeah of course :)
<mnemoc> then you can link http://linux-sunxi.org/CedarX/OMX from the repo page ;-)
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<Turl> gimli: do you have any .pmp file by any chance to test the cedar libs?
<gimli> nope
<Turl> mnemoc: interesting piece of commented logging :P //Log("omx avc request scaler fail");
<mnemoc> o.o
<rz2k> to test 3.4, do I need to use different kernel cmdline? because all I get is http://pastebin.com/kcvJBn1b
<rz2k> both with allwinners memory hack on and off.
<mnemoc> rz2k: 3.4 takes meminfo from uboot, unless you explicitely enable the allwinner hack
<mnemoc> gets stuck at <6> SYS: 0x43000000, 0x00010000 ?
<rz2k> yes
<ZaEarl> anticipation of arm announcement quelched. it'll be something to do with broadcom/raspberry pi.
<mnemoc> :(
<mnemoc> me wanted the mali driver to be open sourced :<
<mnemoc> rz2k: linux or android? want my .config to diff?
<Turl> they said it was related to graphics?
<rz2k> I will now try without mem= in cmdline
<Turl> broadcom OSing their gpu?
<specing> highly unlikely
<rz2k> mnemoc: linux, sun4i_defconfig from 3.4
<specing> they'll probably just release some more docs
<rz2k> so there is nothing really to diff, only cmdline
<mnemoc> rz2k: CONFIG_SUNXI_IGNORE_ATAG_MEM disabled?
<rz2k> yes
<mnemoc> try removing the mem=
<mnemoc> i've never tested with it
<mnemoc> btw, sun4i_defconfig from 3.4 is still 3.0's
<Shivan> Probably X11 support for Raspi Gpu...
<mnemoc> and how that related to ARM? r-pi uses mali??
<rz2k> tried without mem= and atag_mem off
<rz2k> same stuck
<mnemoc> weird
* rz2k pokes steev
<Turl> mnemoc: rpi uses vivante I think
<rz2k> steev: could you please test 3.4 on your ly-f1 to confirm stuck that I mentioned above?
<mnemoc> Turl: and arm has a word on vivante's code?
<Shivan> r-pi has a Broadcom gpu
<Turl> isn't vivante broadcom gpu?
<Turl> mnemoc: doubt it
<mnemoc> then I totally fail to understand why ARM is making an announcement related to it
<mnemoc> rz2k: could you try this .config ? https://filetea.me/t1sd0fc5
<mnemoc> works for me (tm)
<Turl> hm nope, broadcom's is called videocore, sorry for the confusion :)
<Shivan> yeah, R-PI gpu its a good one, Vivante... well the gc860 on the JZ4770 is about -50% performance of a single core Mali-400
<specing> So when is that announcement coming?
<steev> rz2k: i've never been able to get my ly-f1 to boot with anything other than the provided tablets
<rz2k> o_o
<rz2k> why?
<steev> er, not tablets, androids*
<steev> dunno, i don't have serial out
* specing smacks steev to get serial out
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<specing> Speaking of serial
<specing> I just got this crazy idea
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<WarheadsSE> Hey all. Odd questions for anyone with A10 experience.
<specing> How about if I plug the pl2303 dongle into the A10 and use a computer with a hardware serial port to connect to it?
<specing> maybe it will work
<WarheadsSE> I received an A100, have serial hooked up to the UART port.
<WarheadsSE> No matter which rendition I try, I get no video out of the thing, despite the device booting all the way up looking at the console. (stock android atm)
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<specing> WarheadsSE: is this HDMI?
<WarheadsSE> I've tried hdmi & vga
<WarheadsSE> I have to find a tv that has rca..
<specing> 0.o
<Turl> what?
<Turl> even my state of the art LED monitor has rca :P
<WarheadsSE> Heh.
<WarheadsSE> This monitor/tv has coax, vga, dva, hdmi, and component
<Turl> sometimes the rca is shared with the component connectors
<WarheadsSE> samsung syncmaster 2333HD
<mnemoc> rz2k: failed with my .config too?
<rz2k> compiling
<Turl> WarheadsSE: mine is a syncmaster ta550
<WarheadsSE> with the hdmi in
<mnemoc> 2.6.36???
<WarheadsSE> meh, its how it came out of the box.
<WarheadsSE> :) Haven't stuck in an SD w/ image yet.
<mnemoc> it's not much what we can do to help you with ta kernel not built from public sources
<WarheadsSE> heh
<WarheadsSE> component = composite..
<WarheadsSE> thats a help :)
<WarheadsSE> Now I get mode not supported, lol.
<rz2k> mnemoc: same crap
<WarheadsSE> currently writing the A1000 ubuntu image to sd card.
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<mnemoc> rz2k: uh
<rz2k> need another tablet user to confirm tho
<rz2k> am I only ly-f1 guy here?
<specing> steev has it, too
<mnemoc> it would be nice to know also if 3.4 works for anyone beside me
<specing> mnemoc: I'll give it a go tomorrow
<mnemoc> cool
<specing> first I'll try to boot 3.0.8 with my pl2303 drivers compiled in
<specing> and get serial the other way around
<specing> DO you think I'll manage to convince the A10 to boot even after I remove the battery pack?
<specing> maybe I should solder on a big cap instead
<Shivan> nice bat
<specing> it probably has low voltage detect
<specing> ?
<specing> PS: RoHS is a bitch
<specing> the serial line came off for the 91267942728659876315616461612th time
<specing> I already run the tablet without its LVDS display attached
<specing> also the usb host port is alive
<specing> I though I had burned it the other day
<specing> the sparks were everywhere
<WarheadsSE> lol
<WarheadsSE> FU Mele.
<WarheadsSE> did like my amazon hdmi cable.
<xenoxaos> it was the hdmi cable?
<specing> hno: sorry for not doing anything for those gpios, my ARM9 devkit wont boot :X
<WarheadsSE> yeah xenoxaos hdmi cable.
<xenoxaos> :P
<WarheadsSE> works perfectly for everything else in my house, except this.
<WarheadsSE> figures
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<rz2k> [01:46:22] <specing> DO you think I'll manage to convince the A10 to boot even after I remove the battery pack?
<rz2k> it works
<rz2k> I've tried when I was thinking that my battery charging circuitry died when I was reflowing DDR3
<furan> specing: gb as in gigabytes, 32gB tsop48 nand from micron
<furan> specing: it's compatible with nand support on the chip, and it should be really easy to add an entry for it in the nand driver. it's in fact a larger size of a nand series already supported
<furan> specing: but page size/etc should work
<furan> specing: which tablet do you have?
<mnemoc> rz2k: btw, your 3.4 halts when reserving fb... might you be passing fb_start= or fb_size= ?
<mnemoc> your*
<rz2k> nope, nothing like that
<mnemoc> odd
<mnemoc> there is nothing else between both pr_info() calls
<gimli> gn8
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<mnemoc> guess what? mine just halted in the same place!
<mnemoc> wtf
<mnemoc> going to sleep anyway :'(
<rz2k> lol, I thought my unit is faulty
<rz2k> good night mnemoc