<focus>
got as far as lcd and touch 'sort of' working - but no time to finish it properly just yet
<focus>
if i can get it finished, it is good as netbook with all bells and whistles
<buZz>
no i mean, sunxi as the platform .. the A20 is sun8i
<focus>
buZz: not follow
<buZz>
sun7i, sorry
<buZz>
Allwinner A20 (sun7i) SoC features a Dual-Core Cortex-A7 ARM CPU, and a Mali400 MP2 GPU from ARM.
<focus>
buZz: what is better than sunxi at the momement in your opinion?
<buZz>
unbrickability, easy interfaces, a shitload of interfaces, stable performance
<focus>
buZz: all sunxi has
<buZz>
hmm i guess we have a language barrier :P
<focus>
stability - been running a camera server for 30+ days
<buZz>
i agree sunxi is nice ;)
<buZz>
i have a cubie2 and cubie1 here
<focus>
i got me 2xcubie1, about 10 cubie2
<focus>
:)
<buZz>
hehe :)
<focus>
can't get enough
<buZz>
eat sleep cubieboard repeat
<focus>
i got 2xEOMA-68
<buZz>
are there netbook style holders for eoma-68 yet? :)
<focus>
buZz: soon to be released last i heard
<buZz>
the eh, flying squirrel?
<buZz>
14 Dec 2013: Third revision CAD/CAM Casework
<buZz>
Work on the case has started (from scratch)
<buZz>
:D
<buZz>
somehow i dont think they will go from 'ok redo all case work' to 'product shipping!' within 2 month s
<focus>
i wish they hurry up - my company needs them yesterday
<focus>
bye for now - lunch break :(
<buZz>
hf :)
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<diego_r>
focus: only real options for Linux ARM are Freescale i.MX6 or Allwinner A1x or A20. All other options are a real nightmare in terms of software support.
<diego_r>
i.MX6 costs because it's enterprise oriented, Allwinner is cheaper because the support is by the community, but is less powerful.
<diego_r>
focus: if you company needed the Flying Squirrel yesterday, the could at least contact lkcl and discuss some form preorder and a bit of financing. The biggest problem they have is that nobody stepped up to help financially.
<crazedpsyc>
the first big run of eoma cards and devel i/o boards seem to be selling like crazy now, at least
<diego_r>
crazedpsyc: really? Have you got some inside informations or have you read about it somewhere? Are you referring to the Improv orders?
* diego_r
would be really happy about that
<crazedpsyc>
Improv, yes. I'm just referring to forum activity and moreso how far new orders are behind preorders
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<focus>
diego_r: i prepare a lot of our software for EOMA-68 and before that cubieboard, and before that MK802. I intend to make my own boards at some stage - but ideally lkcl make them and we use them
<focus>
the risks of making own board when we are hardly interested in becoming a board maker is very high
<focus>
lkcl has best creditials
<focus>
diego_r: as you say, no one stepped fast enough to get EOMA going which throws a spanner in the works for our plans
<diego_r>
focus: I see
<focus>
diego_r: the target price for BOM is $30 - which is another spanner in the works. Originally lkcl dream was to make hundreds of thousands which meant the BOM price was realistic.
<focus>
But now the volume is not there, so scratching head hard on how to get the BOM price below $30.
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<focus>
If lckl had succeeded, we would have ordered 5000 units at a time for $35 say and we would all be happy now
<diego_r>
aseigo just told me: "sales are coming; not at the pace we need to keep things going, but hopefully that can be fixed"
<buZz>
diego_r: wandboard quad is insanely expensive imho
<diego_r>
buZz: not for the support you get.
<buZz>
i dont want support
<buZz>
nor warranty
<diego_r>
buZz: ok. rocks are cheaper then.
<focus>
diego_r: aseigo i wish him well, he's been downed more than once by trick hardware suppliers - the EOMA may finally realize his dreams too
<buZz>
yeah also not functional
<diego_r>
buZz: so you want a cheap 2GB ARM board?
<focus>
rock now making chip with built in ram dice that is destined for glass type product - very very small and very low power
<buZz>
diego_r: 2gb and sata , preferably no wifi/bt and video is not needed either
<buZz>
i have big storage needs, big memory, low bandwidth, low cpu
<diego_r>
big storage also need good SATA driver. Which is a problem on Allwinner.
<focus>
buZz: (the last one has usb3 which may hop past need for sata - if drivers work)
<buZz>
well sata works fine on the non-mainline thusfar
<focus>
diego_r: i got 1TB camera logger going on A10
<buZz>
might just have to setup a x86 box for this purpose until i find a arm board i like
<buZz>
any future predictions on 4gb ram arm boards? :D
<buZz>
or just dimm slots
<focus>
buZz: what is the RAM for?
<buZz>
storing data? :D
<buZz>
running many programs with high ram requirement
<buZz>
(cryptocoin wallets)
<focus>
buZz: could you not use a SATA SSD? I got me a 250GB samsung SSD booting A20 in 20 seconds - just like a PC
<buZz>
SSD is too expensive and too unreliable over time
<buZz>
most harddrives survive 10 years of usage, no ssd does this (when you actually write&read data all the time)
<focus>
buZz: ram is deadly for crashed power / alpa radiation / cosmic radiation hits
<buZz>
1 bit on 1GB per year
<buZz>
i can handle this
<focus>
buZz: todays figures are SSD is 40GB per day writes for 20 years - or 80GB per day in 10 years. Do you really have that much data? what application is it?
<buZz>
15:40:26 < buZz> (cryptocoin wallets)
<buZz>
they grow fast ;)
<focus>
buZz: not familiar with it :(
<buZz>
i recommend you look into it sometime
<buZz>
not only for benifit of removing banks from moneyflow, but also the technological marvel
<focus>
seems everyone doing the bitcoin thing - thnks
<buZz>
:)
<focus>
I got me a sort operation that sorts n numbers in n operations - intrigued if that could be used to do coin mining
<focus>
(for hobby i be making digital equivalent of quantum computers)
<buZz>
if you can make the operation procedurally harder to do
<buZz>
and it has memory load
<buZz>
without memory load it will get raped, like on bitcoin
<focus>
memory has speed limit of 10MHz
<buZz>
no i mean in size
<lkcl>
focus: if you want 5k units i can get them to you by the 3rd week of february
<buZz>
they now have single chipped miners that go faster than entire network was in 2011 .. that scale is just killing decentralization of mining
<focus>
lkcl: you sad boy!
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<focus>
how come you hang ou there? :)
<lkcl>
focus: we'll get the volume... *if* someone puts up the money to place the first order
<focus>
how much? (send to me private)
<lkcl>
focus: done.
<buZz>
If registered DIMMs are used, a single A1100 SoC supports up to 128GB of RAM
<buZz>
nice!
<buZz>
guess i should wait some months for this
<lkcl>
focus: we were relying on aseigo, who, unfortunately in using chris and david, who didn't follow my advice, screwed up and haven't delivered.
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<focus>
buZz: the throughput rate for RAM is still 10MHz
<buZz>
ok
<focus>
so when switching tasks rapidly, the RAM slows down to 10 million operations per second
<buZz>
yeah so , waiting for that amd proc makes sense
<focus>
easier to buy 10 cubies and let each one handle a portion of the task - that pushes up ram throughput to 100MHz worth of operations
<diego_r>
lkcl: chinese holiday delays?
<diego_r>
(Chinese new year)
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<lkcl>
diego_r: yeahhh
<lkcl>
diego_r: and more, unfortunately
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