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<buZz> GNUtoo-irssi: actually mini-pcie connector has 2 USB host ports on it
<buZz> iirc
<buZz> oh just one
<GNUtoo-irssi> ok
<GNUtoo-irssi> buZz: so it's part of the standard then?
<GNUtoo-irssi> buZz: does EOMA68 exports SATA?
<GNUtoo-irssi> SATA is mentioned on some documents but not on other
<GNUtoo-irssi> thanks
<buZz> EOMA68 is a standard?
<buZz> i dont think o
<buZz> so*
<GNUtoo-irssi> It's documented at least
<GNUtoo-irssi> I don't think it was submited to standard bodies
<GNUtoo-irssi> Do ath9k_htc compatible wifi card exist in formats compatible with this mini-pcie connector.
<GNUtoo-irssi> Assuming I read your image correctly, if that existed, I could just put one in an existing PCI slot, that's great!
<GNUtoo-irssi> *mini-pcie
<GNUtoo-irssi> Usage: I guess BIOS don't check for USB cards plugged into that slot.
<buZz> yes there are mini-pcie wifi cards
<GNUtoo-irssi> No I mean USB wifi cards in a format compatible with that connector
<GNUtoo-irssi> like a similar card would directly use the usb pins
<GNUtoo-irssi> but would fit into the mini-pcie slot
<GNUtoo-irssi> Nowadays a lot of laptop's BIOSes prevent you from replacing the internal wifi card.
<GNUtoo-irssi> I guess many don't prevent you from removing that card (some do).
<GNUtoo-irssi> Assuming you plug an USB card in the same slot instead, the BIOS wound't check for that (unless it requires the original card to be in).
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<arossdotme-planb> GNUtoo-irssi, sata was removed replaced with usb3
<arossdotme-planb> GNUtoo-irssi, I think luke has a free wifi liike ath9k minipci card in mind. ;)
<buZz> why on earth replace sata with usb3
<buZz> 'here is a usable low cpu IO method' 'ohhh lets replace it with this high cpu IO method!'
<arossdotme-planb> the lowest contaminator IO on socs, is now usb3 for the forthcoming future of the life span of eoma68
<arossdotme-planb> usb3/usb
<arossdotme-planb> buZz, speed wise its pretty much the same with a decent usb2sata chip, i think
<arossdotme-planb> but i dont imagine that youll want to have swap over usb3 :/
<buZz> exactly
<buZz> its way too IO heavy
<buZz> i agree maxspeed is similar
<buZz> but at what cost
<buZz> 3gbps on sata-1 at near 0% load
<arossdotme-planb> cost wise this was cheeper as you get acess to even cheaper socs. all interfaces are manatory. so it have sata would mean that a soc with no sata would need a usb2sata chip adding to the cost of what was supposed to be an extra cheap soc eoma68 card
<buZz> yeah, so its weird to give nonsense precendence on mandatory interfaces
<buZz> i dont like arms without sata
<buZz> they're pretty pointless as desktop replacements or servers
<buZz> i understand no smartphone wants sata
<arossdotme-planb> narr mandatory is necessary for this standard. luke wrote all about it. mailing list, and the white paper on the website
<buZz> but i feel its way too limiting to stick to smartphone cpus as definition
<buZz> i mean, we should be focussing on improvements right?
<buZz> not stick to some old choice someone else made in the past
<arossdotme-planb> eoma-68 is the low cost, good enough standard.
<buZz> then i'll wait for the next standard :)
<arossdotme-planb> this is a new choice to ditch sata an switch for usb3
<arossdotme-planb> sata was the old choice :)
<arossdotme-planb> yea buzz if you want latest fastest, top of the range, top gaming pc type of expense and spec then you want something like eoma-200. its on the elinux wiki
<buZz> i'll come back in 2020 then
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<GNUtoo-irssi> arossdotme-planb: what are, practically speaking, the differences between a SATA HDD, and an USB3 one?
<GNUtoo-irssi> I am used to USB2, so I don't know USB3.
<GNUtoo-irssi> Are the transport comparable? Same latencies?
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