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<roasbeef>
jonasschnelli: in the past i'd considered something along the lines of just getting a stream of (pkScriptHash, value) from teh mempool, which is enough for UIs to indicate "pending incoming deposit" or w/e
<roasbeef>
sending a filter would tell you "maybe" you're being paid, but you wouldn't get enough information to convey the value, etc on the UI
<roasbeef>
imo zero conf for light clients on the UI level is a lost cause, as by nature you can't really verify anything, we haven't had any major complaints due to the lack of zero conf in our LN wallet as users see depositing funds as an on boarding step, afterwhich they can send instantly on LN
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<jonasschnelli>
roasbeef: got it. I know 0-confs are insane insecure. But however, users expect that UX and I think it is in general fine.
<jonasschnelli>
I kinda like the stream idea, though again DOS and fingerprinting risks
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<roasbeef>
jonasschnelli: the stream is a fire hose, so I don't think there're any fingerprinting issues unless you have some sort of seek/catch-up feature (likely needed for the client to be able to reliably get the info)
<nsh>
if the UX is done right there's no real harm in giving an indication that an unconfirmed tx has entered mempool with an address you are interested in
<nsh>
people vaguely understand the notion of not-yet-cleared transactions
<nsh>
or at least anyone who's lived payday to payday does :)
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