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<kanzure>
andytoshi: NOINPUT with ECDSA (instead of schnorr) would be nice
<sipa>
can we get rid of ECDSA plz?
<kanzure>
but my pubkey recovery
<andytoshi>
lol, noinput + ecdsa enables some pretty crazy dark magic
<andytoshi>
kanzure: schnorr + OP_CAT gets you similar magic tho
<andytoshi>
i have a blog post about thisbut it's not published because i got stuck ... i thought i could do recursive covenants but i'm still missing a step
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<andytoshi>
aj: unfortunately my feeling is that any opcode expressly designed for covenants is either going to get bikeshedded for being too general or for being too specific
<andytoshi>
agreed that you can't do P+H(P|S)G with just CAT ... at least not without revealing the secret key ... which unfornate because to effectively do covenants you need P to be NUMS, i.e. there isn't even any secret key to reveal
<andytoshi>
i'm not yet totally convinced you can't do this, or do recursive covenants, with just CAT .. but i've been banging me head against this for quite a while
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<queip>
andytoshi: (taking a blind shot) no way to like commit to some origin of P, use P, and only later when it is "safe" then release actual origin of P proving it was NUMS?
<queip>
like in different blocks, and only after revealing P' the effects of operation are executed? P = hash(P') like namecoin does with domain names