08:46 <deiga> Hi, is it possible to specify a dynamic ruby version range in the gemfile?

08:46 <deiga> something like ~> 2.1, because I don't care about minor versions

10:16 <samotarnik> hi everyone. i would like to create a deployment package of a rails app, meaning i want a tar file that i can push to a server which only has (j)ruby installed and there i can untar and start my application server without the need of installing bundler and/or required gems. i'm using "bundle install --deployment --standalone" but having trouble starting the app on the deployment server ("program 'bundle' is not installed"). is there a post somewhere i

10:16 <samotarnik> can read, the documentation on bundler.io is pretty scarce on that topic?

10:21 <deiga> samotarnik: http://bundler.io/bundle_package.html

10:24 <samotarnik> deiga: if i run "bundle package --all", all i get unpacked into the vendor folder are like 3 gems. i don't think that's what i need

12:58 <lhz> In a Gemfile with multiple sources defined, in what order are the sources searched? http://bundler.io/v1.5/man/gemfile.5.html#SOURCE-PRIORITY suggests last-to-first, while http://bundler.io/v1.5/rationale.html suggests first-to-last?

12:59 <lhz> The docs really need to be 100% clear on this, as it can cause a huge security issue to get it wrong.

14:41 <samotarnik> hi everyone. i'm working on a rails app. it has about 30 gems that are required in production. when i run "bundle package --all" only 3 gems get unpacked into vendor/cache. why is that, i.e. shouldn't all the gems be unpacked?

14:55 <deiga> it seems that this channel is rather dead

14:56 <samotarnik> hmm...

14:57 <samotarnik> deiga: i read about bundle package... if i understand correctly bundle package unpacks the gems but does not necessarily free you from using bundler

14:58 <samotarnik> deiga: (that was a question)

14:59 <samotarnik> deiga: while with "bundle install --deployment --standalone" you don't use bundler because you get the setup.rb file which you have to require?

14:59 <dwradcliffe> deiga: bundle package only caches the .gem files

14:59 <dwradcliffe> deiga: you still need bundler to install

15:00 <samotarnik> deiga: what does 'caches' mean? that it unpacks them into vendor/cache?

15:00 <dwradcliffe> no unpacking

15:00 <dwradcliffe> just saves the .gem locally

15:00 <samotarnik> ok

15:01 <samotarnik> how do i unpack them?

15:01 <dwradcliffe> use bundler or rubygems to install

15:01 <samotarnik> i don't want to run "bundle install" on my production server

15:02 <dwradcliffe> some gems need to be compiled, so you'll need to install on the server

15:02 <samotarnik> i have a staging server, which is an exact copy of the production and i run bundle install there

15:02 <samotarnik> with compilation and everything

15:02 <dwradcliffe> ok, so what's the question then?

15:03 <samotarnik> then i would like to create a package and just push it onto the production machine

15:03 <dwradcliffe> in theory that should work I think

15:04 <samotarnik> yeah, but how do i do it? i mean how should i prepare the package so all the gems are there?

15:04 <dwradcliffe> when you run `bundle install --deployment` all your gems are installed into vendor/bundle

15:04 <dwradcliffe> so just make sure you include that in your tar

15:04 <samotarnik> i used "bundle install --deployment --standalone", but then suddenly i'm missing a whole bunch of 'require' statements in the app

15:05 <samotarnik> ok

15:05 <samotarnik> but i would have to install rubygems and bundler on production machine in your case?

15:05 <dwradcliffe> yeah, was just going to say that

15:06 <samotarnik> (gems)

15:06 <dwradcliffe> rails uses bundler to load the gems

15:06 <dwradcliffe> even if they are installed already

15:07 <samotarnik> so if i would like to use the "--stanalone" option, what would i have to do? insert a whole bunch of "require" statements into application.rb?

15:07 <dwradcliffe> I haven't used --standalone before

15:07 <samotarnik> no one has it seems... google is virtually silent on that issue...

15:07 <samotarnik> that's just weird

15:08 <dwradcliffe> looks like it creates a bundle/bundler/setup.rb

15:09 <samotarnik> yes

15:09 <samotarnik> i require that file inside my application.rb then

15:09 <dwradcliffe> but it doesn't work?

15:10 <samotarnik> but still, all my constants (i.e. classes) are missing... i have to insert 'require' statements before using them

15:11 <samotarnik> which, naturally, i didn't insert during development since i was using bundler

15:11 <dwradcliffe> ah, rails calls `Bundler.require(:default, Rails.env)`

15:11 <samotarnik> exactly

15:11 <dwradcliffe> so I guess you'll need to do that manually

15:12 <dwradcliffe> is there a reason you don't want to use bundler on the production server?

15:13 <samotarnik> i did sth. like https://gist.github.com/anonymous/56e65afd9ce64d6a971e

15:13 <samotarnik> not really sure

15:13 <samotarnik> except that i need to install it as a gem

15:14 <samotarnik> i thought i would do sth. like a .waf file deploy: install jruby, push my package onto the server and run the app server

15:14 <samotarnik> it seemed elegant

15:15 <samotarnik> and that's how rails 2.3 worked for example

15:15 <dwradcliffe> it's not really how ruby apps are done :)

15:15 <samotarnik> i don't think it has to do with ruby...

15:15 <samotarnik> more of a rails issue...

15:15 <samotarnik> or bundler

15:16 <dwradcliffe> well you want the features of bundler without using bundler

15:16 <samotarnik> well, yes and no...

15:17 <samotarnik> bundler is ok for resolving dependencies and installing gems

15:18 <samotarnik> but i think you would want to require the dependencies in your app manuallly

15:18 <samotarnik> manually*

15:19 <dwradcliffe> that's a personal preference. most rails devs choose to let bundler do that (would you rather require each model manually?)

15:20 <samotarnik> using bundler is comfortable, but maybe it's not a good way to do it...

15:20 <samotarnik> why not, e.g. the java guys do it

15:21 <samotarnik> (that was only half a joke)

15:22 <samotarnik> sorry, gotta go for a couple of minutes, thanks for the help...