11:04 <Netfeed> dominikh: missed that it's you that post the go git tip stuff, really nice post

11:04 <dominikh> Netfeed: :) thanks

11:05 <dominikh> didn't know you followed Go stuff

11:05 <Netfeed> i follow everything :P

11:05 <dominikh> :D

11:05 <Netfeed> well, i've been more and more interested in go lately

11:06 <Netfeed> kinda easy to pick up

11:06 <Netfeed> some stuff is a bit strange

11:06 <dominikh> can't think of anything strange :P but yeah, it's easy to pick up

11:06 <Netfeed> but, i guess it's just idioms in the language that i'm not used to yet

11:07 <dominikh> got anything in particular?

11:08 <Netfeed> i was looking through the stuff for listing stuff in a dir, took a while and two rewrites before i settled with io/ioutil. it's not really that it's strange, but it wasn't really that clear that it was the best case of for me to use

11:09 <Netfeed> and in some places where i really wanted to know what type of error my error was

11:09 <dominikh> well, Go is a bit more low level than what you might be used to

11:09 <dominikh> and re error: read the documentation and use type assertion :P

11:09 <dominikh> brb, 10 minutes

11:10 <Netfeed> well, it wasn't such a problem, i was fine with the really low level solution i had, but i could reduce that code with 10-15 rows by using io/ioutil instead

11:11 <Netfeed> my problems is mostly about not knowing enough about the stdlib

11:32 <dominikh> heh yeah

11:35 <Netfeed> also, tried to build some sort of server, that just bascially took a tcp connection, ran a go-routine against it and then returned some data. worked fine for every other connection: worked, hanged for a while then worked, worked, hanged for a while then worked

11:36 <dominikh> uh, must've done something weird :P

11:36 <Netfeed> maybe

11:36 <dominikh> on your scale it probably was not the GC pauses ;)

11:37 <dominikh> feel free to show me code whenever you feel like it. even though I'm going to bed in a minute, so probably not now :P

11:37 <Netfeed> what!? we're talking 100k requests here!! (or not, maybe 10 and sequential)

11:37 <dominikh> even 100k wouldn't trigger it :P

11:37 <Netfeed> sure :)

11:38 <Netfeed> will probably be done with my first program tonight (let's hope so at least, might get stuck infront of the tv instead)

11:38 <dominikh> hehe

11:40 <Netfeed> planing on doing something with my dotfiles and i'm building a program for linking them to ~, bascially something that a simple bash-script could handle much easier, but it's not as fun

11:41 <dominikh> mhm. not a fan of programming exercises that could be solved *so much easier* with bash. mostly because you're not learning a lot and not enjoying it

11:41 <Netfeed> but that would force me to learn bash :)

11:41 <dominikh> a worthwhile skill :P

11:42 <Netfeed> something i noticed while building this is that the syntax was kinda easy to pick up but that the stdlib was harder to actually find the stuff that i wanted (as i said above)

11:43 <Netfeed> and i didn't always find the exact code i wanted to find when i tried to look it up in the src

11:43 <Netfeed> the one thing that comes to mind is FileType i think, found File though

11:43 <dominikh> uh, what would FileType be

11:44 <dominikh> or do, for that matter

11:44 <Netfeed> sorry, FileMode

11:45 <Netfeed> http://golang.org/pkg/os/#FileMode

11:45 <dominikh> bitmask, yeah

11:45 <dominikh> well, bitflag, same deal.

11:47 <Netfeed> well, i like it so far at least

11:47 <Netfeed> i really have to get into it a bit more

11:49 <dominikh> also, if you use emacs, vim or acme you can use godef to directly jump to the source of something, including stdlib

11:49 <dominikh> but the docs should suffice

11:49 <Netfeed> really? cool

11:50 <Netfeed> added so vim always runs gofmt on saves

11:50 <dominikh> yeah, that's nice, too

11:50 <dominikh> it's a pity you don't use emacs though; I wrote the go-mode :P

11:50 <dominikh> https://github.com/dgryski/vim-godef

11:51 <Netfeed> nice

11:52 <Netfeed> that's one of javas best features (or well, you know, eclipses)

11:52 <dominikh> nice thing about godef is that it's orders of magnitude faster, doesn't need a cache nor a daemon :P

11:52 <dominikh> you invoke it, it parses the required sources, finds the right place, and all in a fraction of a second

11:53 <Netfeed> sounds really handy

11:53 <Netfeed> i have to give it a try when i get home

11:53 <dominikh> (and gocode for code completion, of course)

11:54 <Netfeed> i don't really use code completion that much other than in java

11:55 <dominikh> I don't need it, but it's nice to have

11:55 <dominikh> especially when it's not as slow as in eclipse ;)

11:55 <Netfeed> :)

11:56 <Netfeed> i was "amazed" when i got a new work computer and got my java compelation times down from 2-3 min to 20 seconds :)

11:57 <dominikh> 20 seconds, wow

11:57 <Netfeed> but i had a really shit computer before

11:57 <Netfeed> shitty*

11:58 <dominikh> 20 is still shitty

11:58 <Netfeed> does a bit of other stuff too, creating wars, copying jars and some cleaning and such too, but yeah, i agree

12:20 <dominikh> well yeah, that's because it's a terrible system alltogether ;)

12:31 <Netfeed> hush

12:44 <dominikh> I hope you don't disagree.

12:47 <Netfeed> i kinda like java as a language, for the same reason i like go as a language, the code can only be written in one way (if you want to do it properly) and that makes it more read able, but there's a lot of stuff around the language that i loath

12:48 <Netfeed> like finding where jars is located, different libs that requires different versions of other libs and such

12:55 <Netfeed> (and a lot of other stuff too, like missing callbacks and such)

13:04 <dominikh> pretty sure everyone writes the same thing in 10 different ways in java

13:05 <waxjar_> the few snippets of java i've seen make me stay far, far away from it :D

13:07 <Netfeed> but it's "hard" to write really strange stuff, it's easier in say perl to write stuff that is completely unreadable

13:24 <dominikh> Java achieves to be quite unreadable simply by the 5 levels of indirection and variable names that almost hit the 80 character limit

13:24 <dominikh> but I'm done with today, good night