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<FLOOR_9_>
good morning
<FLOOR_9_>
i've been thinking, crystal getting new features is dependend on the lead maintainers
<FLOOR_9_>
and on how many hours they can work on it, that's why the bounty website
<FLOOR_9_>
also the number of people contributing on it in their free time
<FLOOR_9_>
what can we do, so that crystal get's more recognition ?
<FLOOR_9_>
so we have some more highly skilled people at one end, and more bounty to the lead maintainers, so they have it more easy
<FLOOR_9_>
how can we make it attractive to people that are searching for alternatives , to ruby , and other languages
<BlaXpirit>
FLOOR_9_, answer is money
<FLOOR_9_>
yes, the bounty website, people contributing with money
<BlaXpirit>
no. that's not money, that's trifles
<FLOOR_9_>
so their is another website people can invest with their money to crystal?
<FLOOR_9_>
do you have a link?
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<FLOOR_9_>
clearly the bounty website, is stating, "Fund Crystal and help it become production ready" and a link to bountysource.com
<FLOOR_9_>
so clearly it is money , and people are investing, so i don't get why you say the bounty website has nothing to do with money>
<FLOOR_9_>
?
<FLOOR_9_>
i'm i missing something...
<jeromegn>
FLOOR_9_: I think he might be exagerating ;)
<jeromegn>
you can send as much money as you want on that site I think, it’s just that they haven’t received that much money yet.
<FLOOR_9_>
you mean, achieving their bounty goal
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<FLOOR_9_>
that's why i am thinking about ways, for people to hear about crystal, and that results in more people knowing about the bounty goals, and more people investing
<jeromegn>
:)
<jeromegn>
that’s good
<FLOOR_9_>
for me personally, the main thing that was attrictive about crystal, is 1. the syntaxt so close to ruby, and 2. the speed
<jeromegn>
I think money is good, but I think more libraries built in Crystal, more blog posts, more talks about it is better!
<FLOOR_9_>
why not both?
<jeromegn>
well sure
<jeromegn>
every avenue is worth exploring
<FLOOR_9_>
well it compliments each other
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<FLOOR_9_>
more librabries = more functionality = more attrictive, more people
<FLOOR_9_>
more funding
<jeromegn>
yea
<FLOOR_9_>
, more funding, more advancement to crystal, more attractive to new comers
<jeromegn>
I think once we have “our Rails”, it might help.
<FLOOR_9_>
people care about numbers i think, stability, speed
<FLOOR_9_>
how close it it to ruby, what are the pitfalls
<FLOOR_9_>
one way is to coordinate some simple benchmarks, with a http server, calculations, stability, how long has a program been running without crashing
<FLOOR_9_>
how many people are in the community, and how fast has it been growing
<FLOOR_9_>
to give people a clear indication, yes it is fast, yes it is stable, yes it is moving
<FLOOR_9_>
and it is active
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<FLOOR_9_>
we need numbers people! heh heh ;)
<FLOOR_9_>
jeromegn:your thoughts about this?
<jhass>
42, 23, 5
<FLOOR_9_>
hahahha
<jhass>
Pi, Tau, Googol
<jhass>
any more?
<FLOOR_9_>
are to the secret numbers to unlocking crystal god mode?
<jhass>
no, just some numbers
<FLOOR_9_>
aw ok
<FLOOR_9_>
wht are your thoughts about this jhass
<jeromegn>
FLOOR_9_: worth a shot! I want to use it in production, but what’s been stopping me is mostly some missing libraries I care too much about.
<jeromegn>
namely, slim (templating language)
<jhass>
Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment!
<jeromegn>
I’ve been attempting to create an equivalent, but I’d need more time.
<FLOOR_9_>
jhass what?
<jhass>
and not to forget Tweak!
<jeromegn>
lol
<FLOOR_9_>
sorry i don't understand
<jhass>
that's okay
<FLOOR_9_>
ah dumbledore, i see
<FLOOR_9_>
wel to go you a reference, a program is magic to those who don't understand IT
<FLOOR_9_>
;)
<FLOOR_9_>
to get to your point about slim jeromegn, surely there is a programmer out there, who can cook up something, we just have to find him/her
<FLOOR_9_>
or he/she has to find us
<jeromegn>
hah
<jeromegn>
sure!
<jeromegn>
well, I’m working on it, but I’ve never written a parser
<FLOOR_9_>
so another advantage of crystal in contrast to ruby, is that source code is isn't so easy to be obtained
<FLOOR_9_>
is that true?
<FLOOR_9_>
its some obfuscation
<jhass>
obfuscation is the right term
<jhass>
I wouldn't call it any real security
<FLOOR_9_>
unless it's encrypted
<jhass>
and if your security depends on your attacker not having the source code, well ...
<jhass>
no
<FLOOR_9_>
ruby encoder?
<jhass>
"it's secure because nobody knows what it's doing" is an inherently flawed approach to security
<jhass>
some even argue that closed source software is already less secure by the fact that you depend on the vendor to fix it
<jhass>
if you have the code you can fix it yourself
<FLOOR_9_>
ok so a meaningful feature because it's compiled, is that it has some obfuscation in contrast to ruby
<jhass>
I dislike that obfuscation and "MINE!!!!" attitude though
<jhass>
most of the time the true motivation is fear somebody actually sees what a shitty job you've done
<FLOOR_9_>
it isn't about mine or anything, it's about if someone wants it for some purpose
<FLOOR_9_>
in ruby you have to take a extra step
<FLOOR_9_>
that's what i mean
<jhass>
I'm just saying it's not something I could honestly argue as advantage, it's merely a technical difference in consequence to the underlying approach to building a language
<FLOOR_9_>
ok
<FLOOR_9_>
i'm just making a list of some 'key point's'
<FLOOR_9_>
but i will leave that one out
<jhass>
(note it's my opinion, although a strong one other people have different opinions)
<FLOOR_9_>
yeah well let's say i agree with you, and in the spirit of open source, it def better to focus on some other things
<FLOOR_9_>
defeats the whole purpose of open source, having your source not open
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<FLOOR_9_>
does anybody have a kickass idea for promoting crystal?
<FLOOR_9_>
"Crystal pwns Rails in benchmark?"
<FLOOR_9_>
"You like ruby but you need speed?"
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<jhass>
whatever, as long as you don't try to disguise it as official project claims
<jhass>
but make clear its your opinion piece
<FLOOR_9_>
what do you mean
<jhass>
it's not statements I'd like to see officially stated by the project
<FLOOR_9_>
"Crystal beats Nodejs in http benchmark"
<FLOOR_9_>
of course, it's simple my opinion that will help grab attention
<FLOOR_9_>
positive attention
<FLOOR_9_>
that's the idea anyway
<jhass>
I see you don't read /r/programming or HN
<FLOOR_9_>
yeah i saw the reddit section of crystal
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<FLOOR_9_>
jhass: don't you think we need more people?
<jhass>
not immediately
<jhass>
but that has little to do with my thoughts regarding decency in official project statements
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<FLOOR_9_>
i'm sure you would like just as i, that crystal will advance
<jhass>
sure
<FLOOR_9_>
and the driving force behind any project are people like yourself
<jhass>
you're besides the point
<FLOOR_9_>
well my point is, in order for it to advance, like i said earlier, people that contribute with either bounty, so the devs have more time to work on it, or highly skilled people working together, like you, i see no problem
<FLOOR_9_>
and i know it has nothing to do with you thoughts on what people right about it, as long it doesnt harm or stays within their opinion
<FLOOR_9_>
i find that logical
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<FLOOR_9_>
no offense jhass , i can be harsh sometimes but that's only because i am firm in stating my opinions
<FLOOR_9_>
don't take it personal
<jhass>
I don't
<FLOOR_9_>
have you seen the movie enigma?
<jhass>
maybe, I such at remembering titles
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<FLOOR_9_>
alan turing with the guy who played kahn in star trek
<FLOOR_9_>
the machine that broke the enigma code
<jhass>
oh the recent one, yeah
<FLOOR_9_>
it's really good
<FLOOR_9_>
mind boggling to know that that thing was one of the inventions that led to computers
<jhass>
it's hard to attribute a single thing
<jhass>
the technology just developed into that direction at that time
<FLOOR_9_>
what a genius for making something like that
<FLOOR_9_>
do you know any other movie that has something of the same scenario?
<jhass>
not really
<jhass>
maybe someone did something about konrad zuse
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