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<purr>
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ASCII art may be hard, but we don't have to parse things top-to-bottom
<purr>
<alexgordon> only elliottcable could unwittingly name something after bloody anuses
<prophile>
wut
<vigs>
uh
<joelteon>
piles
<joelteon>
is what you're looking for
<prophile>
right
<prophile>
haemorrhoids would be a stranger name to come up with accidentally
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
jesus, I'm just experiencing some unbelievably luck today
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yes, hence rand(3) - 1
<purr>
lol
<yorickpeterse>
it won't actually break Ruby but you'll just get weirdly sorted values
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I'd sell but I don't have enough to make it worth it, and by the time I actually manage to get my bitcoins to an exchange it would be too late anyway
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: so I'll just wait until it drops and I can buy again :p
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yeah, same
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I only profited so well because I *already had* 50BTC at an exchange
<devyn>
that's really good luck
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yep
<devyn>
you profited about $8,380 from around $3,350 initial investment, then?
<devyn>
if it's 350%
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
mmhmm
<devyn>
that's pretty good
<devyn>
:p
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol yes 350% return is ‘pretty good.’
<devyn>
yep
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
actually, it's buttfucking ridiculous. the realm of unrealistic dreams.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
jesus.
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: where did you get this much money in the first place, if you don't mind my asking
<yorick>
?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh scratch that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I just sold one more at 233
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
found 1BTC in another exchange account
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yorick: I avoid talking about the source of my funds in public.
<yorick>
okay.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
My employment and investments; politics; religion.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but I happily encourage speculation. It's fun. (=
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
generally don't talk about money *at all*, but I know alexgordon is a bitcoin nut
<devyn>
yorick: interesting, I wonder if that applies to Ruby... I'll check
<devyn>
it probably does
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: xD
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: your grandmother is the queen of england.
<alexgordon>
yorick: well that rules him out as prince harry
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gotta say, that's an original one
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not the strangest, though
<yorick>
did your funds perhaps fall from the sky?
<yorick>
out of an airplane?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
strangest I'd heard was that I developed and sold bespoke sex-toys
<devyn>
yorick: at least on MRI, it seems pretty random http://cl.ly/SKlQ
<alexgordon>
yorick: nah me and jeannicolas have got it: he's an oil doctor
<alexgordon>
or least, his parents are
<alexgordon>
if an oil well has a cold
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
… oil doctor.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I, wat
<prophile>
most likely: got some initial capital from inheritance and made money from property trading
<alexgordon>
elliott's parents would prescribe medicines for it
<alexgordon>
prophile: yeah, rich grandparent
<joelteon>
that lucky son of a gun
<joelteon>
i wish i had lots of money
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
then sell me your body.
<alexgordon>
joelteon: marry elliott
<devyn>
you guys
<devyn>
are jealous
<joelteon>
what are you going to do with my body
<devyn>
of elliott
<yorick>
devyn: okay, that looks random.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
as in medical-testing sell-me-your-body, not sexual sell-me-your-body
<alexgordon>
I just want his coins
<joelteon>
ok
<joelteon>
well
<joelteon>
i like my job
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: next time you want to sell coins, just sell them to me
<joelteon>
i think i'll be ok for now
<prophile>
I'm not doing too badly on the money front
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: I want to sell coins right now. *eyebrow*
<prophile>
I have no reason to be jealous of elliott :D
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I will take your coins for the very fair, fair price of $1/BTC
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I want to buy them right now *eyebrow*
<prophile>
XAU is the one true currency
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
90BTC @ $US 240. take it or leave it, you have one minute.
<joelteon>
how much are btc worth elliot
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
prophile: that's awesome! what've you got going?
<yorick>
joelteon: $245.21 right now
<prophile>
90BTC @ $US 240 for the lot is pretty good
<alexgordon>
jesus I'm not that rich
<joelteon>
so i could make a profit of
<alexgordon>
or maybe I am
<prophile>
ELLIOTTCABLE: property
<alexgordon>
*eyebrow*
<joelteon>
$410
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<joelteon>
no wait
<prophile>
and mysterious sources of income that I don't understand
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
prophile: I'm proud of you. ^_^
<devyn>
XAU = troy ounce gold?
<prophile>
because I went to a hole in the wall on saturday
<prophile>
and discovered an extra £1000 in there that I don't know the source of
<devyn>
prophile: did you stick your dick in it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh my god, prophile sperms cash
<prophile>
yes, devyn, that's how you operate them in this country
<devyn>
I knew it!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: yes/no
<prophile>
it's amazing how efficient sperm donation can be these days
<alexgordon>
so that's £13000
<prophile>
just for god's sake don't forget your PIN
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: er... maybe?
<alexgordon>
not sure I can afford 90
* ELLIOTTCABLE
nods
<alexgordon>
though I may live to regret it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it's bitcoin. of *course* you may live to regret it.
<alexgordon>
xD
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not everyone's luck is as mine was the last few months O_O
<devyn>
litecoin ftw
<alexgordon>
devyn: lolno
<purr>
lolno
<devyn>
one day you'll be sorry
<devyn>
:)
<yorick>
(you'd be buying at the worst moment possible, tomorrow it'll be worth $150 or something)
<devyn>
I'm just gonna buy all the litecoins
<alexgordon>
yorick: or 300
<devyn>
mine some too; litecoin is not hard to mine
<yorick>
alexgordon: pfft it just did a bubble
<alexgordon>
yorick: people were saying that at 80
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: new offer. $USD 15k flat, 60BTC.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
more within your means?
<devyn>
alexgordon: well no one knows how high the bubble will go, but it's a bubble.
<alexgordon>
damn you make me google fast
<yorick>
that's an even more terrible offer
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: nah I'd rather not buy at a price that doesn't exist yet
<devyn>
yeah that's above market value...
<joelteon>
i feel like i should be investing my money or something
<yorick>
alexgordon: it has existed today
<devyn>
bubble bubble bubble OKAY
<devyn>
I have to do homework. god.
<alexgordon>
yorick: on bitstamp?
<devyn>
>_<
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
quarter of the bitcoin transacted when you provide proof that you've initiated the $USD transaction, in whatever form we agree upon; the other 3/4s when I receive it.
<yorick>
alexgordon: not sure, I think it has
<alexgordon>
250.79
<alexgordon>
ok barely
<alexgordon>
wow the volume is so high
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hm. you said *probably not* within your means, but I'd like to unload now. I'm willing to go slightly below market value, if you can take my entire stock off my hands, at the current value.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
let's say … $US 235/BTC, if you can afford all 92BTC I have in my insecured wallet right now.
* alexgordon
does calculations
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'd sell you more, but it sounds like we're at the limit of your means, *and* I'd have to go to the bank. It's raining.
<alexgordon>
so that would be $21620
* alexgordon
does sums
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
$US 21,620, or £ 13,476
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
minus whatever you pay in exchange fees.
<alexgordon>
gah don't tell me I didn't save that mathematica document
* yorick
is on irc with people with MONEY
<joelteon>
devyn: what font is that
<alexgordon>
yorick xD
<yorick>
alexgordon: you just casually buy 90btc, I'm still mildly impressed
<alexgordon>
yorick: haven't bought it yet, doing sums
* yorick
doesn't even have 90BTC money in total
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Oh my god. So, I have a rather ditzy friend who just asked what I was doing
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
her response after a high-level explanation of the trading happening today:
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
“Oh. Can you show me how to do this this weekend? I have terrible luck but who knows”
<alexgordon>
xD
<yorick>
maybe if you can't figure out how to do this on your own you shouldn't be doing it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lolright
<purr>
lolright
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but what the hell, I love teaching people about bitcoin <3
<alexgordon>
bitcoin rocks!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'll show my adopted little sis how to make a wallet, and trade small quantities on the exchange. Why not? (=
<yorick>
you love teaching girls at least. :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, yes. they're attractive.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
this one's, like, 17, though.
<joelteon>
should i...get into btc trading?
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and contrary to ##Paws-opinion, I don't have a thing for kids, despite this channel originally being like 70% under-18's.
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: so can you tell me what goes on under the hood? like the 3xxx+ addresses?
<joelteon>
or does it require a lot of research i don't have.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
joelteon: that question is better googled than asked.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
specifically ask “Should I learn to day-trade.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bitcoin is just a particularly fucking volatile (o_o;) exchange market.
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I think yorick is like 17
<alexgordon>
or maybe I have him mixed up
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yorick: under the hood of what?
<yorick>
I'm not like 17! I'm like two whole years older than that
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: bitcoin transactions
<alexgordon>
oh ok, 19
<alexgordon>
yorick: porn-legal
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
errr, I know nothing about the technicalities.
<yorick>
alexgordon: if only I were attractive and a girl
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, Very Little™.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, Less Than Alex™.
<yorick>
alexgordon: do you know about the Technicalities?
<alexgordon>
the wat?
<yorick>
hm I was gonna google it but I accidentally googled "technicalities"
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: two minutes left
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: fuck you xD
<alexgordon>
this is a very important decision
* ELLIOTTCABLE
laughs
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
absolutely.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but once the market changes enough, I have to update my offer.
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: the market right now is exactly back to what it was when you made the offer
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I can only keep a static offer on the table for so long, for obvious reasons. Doesn't mean I don't love you. <3
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
joelteon: it's not really so much … learning to day-trade.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
It's, well, let's see. Learning all of the financial terms, and then learning to be *really good* at learning *just enough* of the jargon of a new field, to stay thoroughly up-to-date in that field.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what the *fuck* prophile
<alexgordon>
what I'm thinking is, $21k is a lot of fucking risk
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
joelteon: for instance, you probably know enough about the technology sector as a whole, to learn to “day-trade” securities in the field relatively easy
<joelteon>
ohhhh
<joelteon>
i see what you mean
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but the hard part is then learning, and staying on top of, say, silicon-producing companies specifically to play that market effectively.
<joelteon>
ok
<alexgordon>
oh bitstamp's just gone offline
<yorickpeterse>
alexgordon: re yorick being porn legal, there's no minimum age required for it
<yorickpeterse>
at least not online
<alexgordon>
yorickpeterse: er wat?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
frankly, nobody in the real world is capable of making a true profit above the market as a whole, except in the short-term, and by accident / luck.
<yorickpeterse>
+alexgordon | yorick: porn-legal
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: ok I'm going to have to say no, since I think bitstamp has just imploded
<alexgordon>
unless it's just me
<alexgordon>
ahhh bitcoin, source of endless drama
<yorick>
ELLIOTTCABLE: so what should I do with my life™?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yep, bitstamp's down. Why don't your review your finances, and figure it out you're willing to *make* a trade in the range of 22k, and we'll reconvene later in the day.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
see if the market's still in a position, that leaves us both still wanting to make a trade.
<yorick>
alexgordon: bitstamp was last seen being $239.49
<alexgordon>
yorick: bubble is going to pop if a major exchange goes down
<yorick>
alexgordon: mtgox is still $246.84
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what alexgordon said.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bitstamp isn't the only thing down, oddly enough.
<yorick>
people from bitstamp moving elsewhere?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I've seen coin base go down (makes sense), and gravatar go down twice (wat)
<alexgordon>
hopefully just their frontend is down
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nope
<alexgordon>
damn
<alexgordon>
this is gonna be fun
<alexgordon>
I should sell my coins o_O
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
http://preev.com won't load any data either, so their API is down.
<alexgordon>
fuck it, in for the long haul
<yorick>
mtgox really isn't imploding (although it's being a bit slow too)
<alexgordon>
yorick: yeah but nobody trusts mtgox anymore
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
LOL MTGOX
<purr>
LOL
<yorick>
they work fine for selling coins and then buying again when the price is down :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
no seriously lol mtgox
<yorick>
yeah, my coins were on there anyways :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
personally, I would predict the price to stay high. I don't think we'll be seeing another run like this spring, this time.
* ELLIOTTCABLE
munches on pork rinds, the most disgusting snack ever invented by mankind
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, did I mention, I'm on Keto as of yesterday? it's horrid.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: ah, the API must be back up
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
preev.com's getting live data again
<alexgordon>
both still down here
<alexgordon>
bitstamp is even more down than before, not even getting an error page
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hm, it updated once, but isn't, again.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
bitcoincharts.com is down, too.
<alexgordon>
how in fuck is btcchina still up?
<alexgordon>
they've become so popular so quickly
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hate this crap. Guys. *real money* is dependent on your stability, here. Building with bitcoin isn't a child's-game.
<alexgordon>
yeah I know
<alexgordon>
it's not hard
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
'cause chinese people, bitcoin, popular
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
makes sense to me
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
even chinese people know mtgox sucks
<alexgordon>
computers are fast, I don't understand how it's possible to make a *slow website*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
LOL
<purr>
LOL
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: wat.
<purr>
beep.
<alexgordon>
just use java or something, jesus
<alexgordon>
oops
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
y'er *asking* for that one. Just sayin'. ;)
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: what I meant was, how is btcchina still functional after having such a massive rise in popularity?
<alexgordon>
popularity killed mtgox
<alexgordon>
chinese programmers must be really *really* good
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
how so?
<alexgordon>
the previous two crashes were caused by mtgox
<alexgordon>
first by their lax security, second by their inability to function under load
<alexgordon>
I'll be so happy when they're offline for good
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
damnit, the *entire Internet* is down for me.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
IRC's fine, but Gmail, anything Bitcoin-related, and (inexplicably) Gravatar, are down as tits.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
like, Gmail won't load. either.
<alexgordon>
oh and don't forget the waiting ages for verification, the getting sued, and the not letting people withdraw money
<alexgordon>
amateurs
<alexgordon>
if I were a tinfoil hatter I'd say they were a plot by the US government to kill bitcoin
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
LOL
<purr>
LOL
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
fuck. which of these moonspeak buttons means “Switch to English?”
<alexgordon>
" TCP Connection Rejected"
<alexgordon>
at least their error page is back up
<alexgordon>
(bitstamp)
<joelteon>
hmm
<joelteon>
so after seeing devyn's thing
<joelteon>
now i'm trying to color coordinate my terminal interface
<joelteon>
this happens every time
<joelteon>
suck a dick devyn
<alexgordon>
well, time for food methinks
<joelteon>
problem is now almost everyone looks the same
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn's thing?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you've seen devyn's thing?
<joelteon>
i've seen devyn's terminal
<joelteon>
it looks nice
<joelteon>
now i want to make all my stuff monochrome
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: yeah, it's back down. It only loaded once, for me.
<alexgordon>
xD
<alexgordon>
It asked me for a captcha, I entered it, and then it showed an error page
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ಠ_ಠ, guys. ಠ_ಠ.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yeah same LOL
<purr>
LOL
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
welllllll, since I'm tired of contributing to our collaborative DDOSing of their system, I'm gonna walk off now.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: I'm sure you'll be watching it; so tweet at me if it comes back up. <3
<alexgordon>
240
<alexgordon>
242
<alexgordon>
240
<alexgordon>
243
<alexgordon>
240
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
240? what?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
ah, it is back up, neat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: well, do your maths. Tweet at me when you've made a decision, and I'll see if I can make a new offer. (=
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
wat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, alexgordon, this might affect your thoughts.
<alexgordon>
mm?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Verifying my identity on Coinbase (some personal information stuff, an automated system, not anything too involved), reset my daily sell limit, even though it didn't *change* it
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so I sold 50BTC *before* verifying … and apparently, just sold 50BTC again *after* verifying. for $241 apiece, this time.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, I've only got ~42btc left liquid.
<alexgordon>
oh cool
<alexgordon>
so that's about ~$9.5k
<alexgordon>
maybe a bit more
<alexgordon>
£6.3k
<alexgordon>
I can certainly afford that
<alexgordon>
hell, even yorick might be able to
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Mmm, just market-price, then: $US 10,178.70 for 42BTC.
<yorick>
alexgordon: yeah, but I'd be crazy to
<alexgordon>
which price is that?
<alexgordon>
hell I know how to divide
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
242.30
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
LOL
<purr>
LOL
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
>> 10178.70 / 42
<purr>
ELLIOTTCABLE: 242.35000000000002
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so does purr
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: so, current status is trying to decide whether bitcoin will be above 240 in a year
<yorick>
I will say it won't be above 260 in the next 6 hours, but I can't see the future beyond that :P
<alexgordon>
yorick: heh well I'm in this for the long haul, like I said
<alexgordon>
thinking back to the peak at ~30 in 2011
<alexgordon>
then it took a while to recover
<alexgordon>
on the other hand it DID recover
<alexgordon>
there's no doubt it's at a peak right now
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nah. wayyyyyy to stable to say ‘no doubt.’
<alexgordon>
I mis-spoke
<alexgordon>
I meant there's no doubt it's at an all time high
<alexgordon>
well, excluding april ;)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it hasn't fallen below 235 on any exchange for a solid, what, couple hours now?
<alexgordon>
it's "after hours" though
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
unrelated: Coinbase must be smoking something. I don't know where they're getting their values, but they're offering instant trades at $246.20
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: ok well, I've convinced myself
<joelteon>
i wonder if I could do a ruby->applescript compiler
<joelteon>
HEH
<alexgordon>
joelteon: FUCKING LOOK OF DISAPPROVAL
<alexgordon>
-disapprove @ joelteon
<purr>
joelteon: ಠ_ಠ
<joelteon>
:(
<joelteon>
i have a completion for that, ಠ_ಠ
<joelteon>
★
<joelteon>
neat
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: so, what's your offer?
<joelteon>
( ★ ) ( ★ )
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
42 @ 242
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
($US 10,164 for 42 BTC.)
<alexgordon>
hm guess I should check how much my bank charges to convert £ into $ o_O
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
also consider the fees involved in an international wire transfer
<alexgordon>
true dat
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I presume you have a US bank account
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
mmhmm
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
the SWIFT # will be WFBIUS6S; there will be further instructions to include with the wire. It has to be routed on the U.S. side through several more banks.
<alexgordon>
fucking bank websites
<alexgordon>
£17.50 is the cost of the transfer
<alexgordon>
oh they have an international payments calculator
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
244
* ELLIOTTCABLE
laughs
<alexgordon>
xD
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
A good day's trading. *rewards himself with a PS4 pre-order*
<alexgordon>
I will fucking kill my bank
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: don't do that, then the'll eat your money
<alexgordon>
holyyyyyy shit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: e-mail address, to which I can forward the wire instructions
<alexgordon>
my bank wants to charge me £213.81
<alexgordon>
shysters!
<alexgordon>
oh it's because it's after hours rates
<purr>
<ec> something something something those things you slap on your arm and they snap shut. (Snap-stick?)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Coinbase is buying for 252.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, then stave off sending it now, alexgordon
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I don't care when you send it. But the price you're taking, is the one when you say ‘yes.’
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and I don't submit the first 1/4 of the transaction until you forward me proof, of course.
<alexgordon>
yeah I understand but I won't know *what it will cost* until 7am tomorrow
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
mmmmm
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
call them?
<alexgordon>
it's 11pm now
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh. stupid uk. ;)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
er, 252.50*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
250.50
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
okay, time for the bot to do this
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: fuck it, let's do this
* ELLIOTTCABLE
grins
<alexgordon>
just calculated that if it goes down to 100 I'll be ~$5k down in total
<alexgordon>
if it goes up to 300 then I'll be $5k up
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
e-mail address
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: alextgordon@gmail.com
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: sent.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
<3
<alexgordon>
received
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I need to go take a breather. Lemme know any questions, I'm roundish.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
around-ish*
<alexgordon>
k, *studies*
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: yeah looks like this isn't going to be trivial
* ELLIOTTCABLE
nods
<alexgordon>
going to have to phone my bank probably
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
deal with it tomorrow.
<alexgordon>
also I'm going to need somewhere to *put* these bitcoins
<alexgordon>
don't want to store it on a hot wallet!
* ELLIOTTCABLE
nods
<alexgordon>
*in
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, two birds one stone: go physically into the bank and sign up for a safe-deposit box.
<alexgordon>
haha they don't do those anymore
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh, that sucks
<alexgordon>
even so
<alexgordon>
not safe to generate a cold wallet on a computer
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
just need a cold computer, for that.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I've got an old Macbook Air that was temporarily dedicated to that purpose, at one point.
<alexgordon>
right
<alexgordon>
I was going to buy a netbook for this purpose
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
fuck a netbook
<alexgordon>
could use my ipad I suppose
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
literally, steal one out of a junk-pile.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
no, you don't want any device that has *ever* been connected to a network.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or at least, connected since it was last throughly wiped clean.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Now that I've got my Mac Pro out of storage, I suppose I'll go secure-erase one of the random-ass 3.5" drives I have laying around (seriously, am I the only person who seems to collect those things like dust? I've got a fucking viable breeding-set of ≤500GB 3.5" drives.) and install a Linux and the official Bitcoin client on it …
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or just be awesome and generate a brain-wallet, and memorize it.
* ELLIOTTCABLE
the obvious downside is the vulnerability of whatever copy you keep around temporarily, to help you memorize it.
<alexgordon>
brainwallets scare me
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
how so? no reason you can't keep a physical copy as well. it's the ultimate cold-wallet.
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<Zaksoup>
Let me tell you
<Zaksoup>
how not okay with this bullshit I am
<Zaksoup>
It's literally like
<alexgordon>
hi Zaksoup
<Zaksoup>
The least intuitive thing in the entire world
<Zaksoup>
Why Elliott insists on using outdated unintuitive awful software when there's a perfectly good solution that syncs across all my devices I will never know
<Zaksoup>
Hi Alexgordon
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: thinking about it some more, probably ok
<Zaksoup>
Anyway, Elliott, years ago when we first became best buddies did you ever invite me to a TV tracker called Broadcast the Net?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hi, Zaksoup
<alexgordon>
was thinking maybe having a private key from SHA256 isn't such a good idea
<alexgordon>
but actually where do random numbers come from anyway
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I don't know, that name is familiar, hrmrmhmhmr
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: lolwat
<purr>
lolwat
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
explain
<Zaksoup>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I had the most surreal conversation with them the other day
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: ok so bitcoin uses ecdsa, which requires a good source of randomness
<alexgordon>
usually that would be /dev/random
<Zaksoup>
An IRL Friend gave me an invite and I tried to sign up and then they were like YOU'RE BANNED and I was like what the hell so I go on their IRC and they're like you have an account from 2 years ago
<alexgordon>
but in a brainwallet it uses SHA-256(your passphrase)
<Zaksoup>
and I was like #wat
<Zaksoup>
you were the only person I could think of who could have possibly invited me.
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<Zaksoup>
OH FFS I HATE IRC SO MUCH
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Zaksoup: how so?
<Zaksoup>
Nothing is intuitive, nothing just works and all of the software is either open source and therefor has no good sense of UX or in beta (I'M LOOKING AT YOU IRCLOUD) and thus has the most idiotic error messages I've ever seen and shits itself every thirty seconds
<Zaksoup>
I'm angry today
<Zaksoup>
probably all the german
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol
<purr>
lol
<Zaksoup>
This day is getting worse and worse: TIL MediaTemple got bought by GoDaddy
<Zaksoup>
ugh now I have to migrate and shit and ugh
<Zaksoup>
Ich habe Durst brb
<cuttle>
oh hi Zaksoup
<cuttle>
Zaksoup: i agree re irc
<Zaksoup>
THANK YOU
<Zaksoup>
It's like, the people on the cutting edge of software development refuse to actually be on the cutting edge of COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER
<cuttle>
oh also my roommate is on broadcast the net I believe :p
<Zaksoup>
who is cuttle
<cuttle>
haha right
<cuttle>
Zaksoup: @micahrjohnston
<Zaksoup>
I don't know you but hi
<Zaksoup>
I wonder if ranting angrily about anti-social degenerate programmers is a legitimate job skill
<Zaksoup>
brb putting that in my linkedIN
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
cuttle!
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
cuttle: I raked in thirty-three grand today. Read the logs. It's been a fucking ridiculous day.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
miss you <3
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
the cutting-edge-of-communicating-with-eachother is Wave.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and I'm pretty sure we're all hella willing to be on that edge; we just need to go rebuild it.
<Zauerkraut>
The cutting-edge-of-communicating-with-eachother is certainly not a technology older (and more frustrating) than AIM
<Zauerkraut>
Anyway, ELLIOTCABLE are you getting a PS4 next week?
<Zauerkraut>
because I AM
<Zauerkraut>
and it's going to be EPIC
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