purr changed the topic of #elliottcable to: a _better_ cult || topics << 'gamedev'
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<Nuck> So when did this room start talking about gamedev
<Nuck> I thought it was all about anally fisting programming languages
<devyn> Nuck: I mean personally this is my screen right now http://i2.minus.com/i5YCYW8ApX32W.png
<devyn> neither gamedev nor programming languages
<Nuck> Oh god kernel stuff
* Nuck cries
<devyn> :3
<devyn> just got back into it actually
<Nuck> I've spent all day working on Rails stuff
<devyn> memory management was... daunting, but tackling that now
<Nuck> Up to about 12 hours now
<devyn> aw :c
<Nuck> It's okay, it's a labor of looooove
<Nuck> Because I know when I launch this feature the users will be all over muh d
<devyn> :p
<devyn> I don't love rails much. I do love ruby though. Sinatra is good.'
<Nuck> I have an awkward relationship with rails
<Nuck> Like, I love that it really does make building huuuuuuge things so easy
<Nuck> But it sucks the fun out of programming so often
<devyn> yep
<devyn> it's just a new java
<Nuck> Nah, Java didn't make building huge things easy
<Nuck> It made them classier
<devyn> I dunno
<Nuck> by which I mean having more classes
<devyn> anyway gtg bbiab
<Nuck> o/
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
<devyn> well, yeah
<Nuck> -nicecup
<purr> Nuck: com.sun.java.swing.plaf.nimbus.InternalFrameInternalFrameTitlePaneInternalFrameTitlePaneMaximizeButtonWindowNotFocusedState
<devyn> but Java when used right is decent. in very large projects with ridiculous amounts of people
<devyn> which shouldn't really happen anyway, but hey
<Nuck> Java is a throw-people-at-it-until-it-works
<devyn> I guess it matters sometimes
<devyn> pretty much
<Nuck> And add a few XML files just to be safe
<devyn> that's why IE took so long to get good
<Nuck> It's the ultimate engineering project
<devyn> I looked at the credits for Internet Explorer 4
<devyn> it was like fucking 100 people
<Nuck> haha
<devyn> I'm sure it just got worse over time
<Nuck> Honestly, that seems small for a browser team
<devyn> but now they have a tiny team working on it and it's okay again
<Nuck> Because browsers are such enormous beastly things
<Nuck> Rendering engines have become probably the most complicated thing in the OS outside of kernelspace
<devyn> they are, but I don't think it's beyond the scale of 16-20 people to do when you have other things to copy
<Nuck> true
<Nuck> IE4 wasn't really "copy" though
<Nuck> It was "invent"
<devyn> yeah, but then the web was much less complicated back then anyway
<Nuck> That was late 90s shit
<devyn> anyway, bbiab
<Nuck> Definitely, but even the simplest things were complex back then
<Nuck> ie text rendering
<Nuck> proportional fonts, especially spline-based fonts with multiple weights, were a recent development in the era of IE4
<Nuck> So the interfaces were less refined as well
<Nuck> -find java
<purr> Nuck: a good sandwich
<Nuck> -find factory
<purr> Nuck: Found: abstractsingletonproxyfactorybean
<Nuck> -find abstractsingletonproxyfactorybean
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<nuck> ... I just got a legit asl PM on Freenode
<nuck> and it's not a spambot
<nuck> I'm just so confused because like... this is *freenode*
<nuck> Who would want to cybersext with freenode users?
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<nuck> 'sup elliott
<nuck> oh my god that gallery wow
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