purr changed the topic of #elliottcable to: a _better_ cult || topics << 'gamedev'
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<joelteon>
hey guys
<joelteon>
guys
<joelteon>
GPU questions
<joelteon>
help
<alynn>
ASK THE QUESTION
<alynn>
S
<joelteon>
how much can games be parallelized wrt GPUs
<joelteon>
how much more performance am i going to get out of 2 way SLI vs a single 980
<joelteon>
vs 3 way, vs 4 way, etc.
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
eligrey: it's a Nexus.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
eligrey: also, what's disappointing about the existence of the Rulebook repo? I've been thinking about it since I was last online, and I really cannot figure out what's ‘disappointing’ about it o_O
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<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE: oh then must be because you won't embrace pure linux
<eligrey>
i heard adb drivers for osx can be bad
<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE: also the disappointment is from the fact that it's not a book
<eligrey>
yeah i'm extremely entitled sorry lol
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<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE: also have you heard about wifi adb?
<eligrey>
that may help you
<eligrey>
different drivers and no need to mess plugging stuff in
<eligrey>
i actually used it a while back to do a full adb backup and it was pretty pleasant experience
<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE: also do you have a multi-pcie raid array of sm951 ssds?
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<eligrey>
or do you plan on waiting for the sm1715?
<eligrey>
i could see you buying a bunch of those just to have non-volatile storage faster than ram
<eligrey>
(obviously not by itself, but if you raid 16 of them together it should get you around 50GB/s)
<eligrey>
or if you're used to dual channel ram (usually maxes out around 25 you only need to 25GB/s) you could get half as many
<eligrey>
oops
<eligrey>
dont know how that came out like that
<eligrey>
(usually maxes out around 25GB/s)*
<eligrey>
i was starting to type something else i guess but then i forgot i typed something in the parens
<joelteon>
hey do you guys want to donate to the joelteon's gaming computer charity
<eligrey>
joelteon: i'll put in a good word to the charitable ELLIOTTCABLE non-profit that runs in an irc channel on freenode
<joelteon>
ok thank you eligrey
<eligrey>
tbh though I won't be buying any more sm951s after it's officially out
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<eligrey>
i got one for $520 on ebay and once it's officially out i'll be buying one more for my desktop
<joelteon>
oh, wow
<joelteon>
that's cool
<eligrey>
2GB/s read 1.6GB/s write is enough for me, no raiding necessary
<joelteon>
no raid necessary?
<eligrey>
well if 2GB/s is enough for you
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<joelteon>
i think it should be
<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE probably already has a 2GB/s raid array of SATA 3 SSDs (would take 4-6 ssds)
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<eligrey>
joelteon: i currently have my sm951 in my desktop but this one will go in my laptop if i get another
<eligrey>
i'm pretty sure there's some kind of firmware issue limiting my perf
<eligrey>
and since my laptop is pcie2 limited anyways this one would go best in there
<kaplan>
wish I could afford toys like these
<eligrey>
i don't get the full 2GB/s though it could be an adapter + firmware issue
<eligrey>
currently I get 1.6GB/s read and writes
<eligrey>
and reads are always 50MB/s slower than writes, so i'm pretty sure it's not entirely an interface issue
<joelteon>
the sm951 isn't on pcpartpicker.com yet
<joelteon>
damn
<eligrey>
because it's not for retail sale yet
<joelteon>
yeah
<eligrey>
you'll need to wait until late april
<joelteon>
that'll be it
<eligrey>
not too long of a wait though
<joelteon>
how much is it going to retail for?
<joelteon>
the 1TB model i think
<eligrey>
$500 for the 512GB
<eligrey>
the price/GB is so high because of the huge amount of overprovisioning and parallization to get these speeds
<joelteon>
gee whilikers
<eligrey>
current 600MB/s sata ssds are usually like $0.5/GB iirc
<joelteon>
or are they not providing a 1TB version?
<eligrey>
honestly not sure
<joelteon>
i thought i had read it but i must've just imagined it
<joelteon>
i can't find it in my history
<eligrey>
on avnetexpress (where OEMs can buy it) they only offer the 128, 256, and 512GB models
<eligrey>
btw you don't want to buy it on avnetexpress or you'll be waiting 16 weeks to get your shipment
<joelteon>
"no stock"
<eligrey>
joelteon: they did say last year that there would be a 1TB model
<joelteon>
damn
<eligrey>
but they also said that all models would be NVMe and that was wrong too
<eligrey>
they will offer an NVMe version but it's not out at all yet, even from shady ebay dealers
<eligrey>
all current sm951s are AHCI atm
<eligrey>
that could explain why I'm not getting the full 2GB/s advertised reads
<joelteon>
it sure could
<eligrey>
still the limiting factor of ahci is my cpu+controller
<eligrey>
and i'm on a fucking monster x79 board
<eligrey>
with like 20 sata ports
<eligrey>
and some crazy good dedicated raid and storage chipsets
<joelteon>
which board
<eligrey>
asrock x79 extreme9
<eligrey>
since early 2012
<eligrey>
paired with an i7 3930k @ 4.3GHz
<joelteon>
if i want to build a brand new computer should i go with x79 or x99
<eligrey>
x99 so you can get skylake
<eligrey>
but honestly don't build anything until skylake-e is out
<eligrey>
there will be even cheaper mobos for it then
<joelteon>
well i want 8+ cores
<eligrey>
right /now/?
<eligrey>
then you can get Haswell-E and put it on either X79 or X99
<joelteon>
so an i7
<eligrey>
also if you want faster speeds per core you probably will want to save money and get an intel 6-core
<eligrey>
the 8 (16HT) core intel cpus are slower
<joelteon>
i'm not married to faster speeds per core
<eligrey>
of course you can simply disable 2 of the cores and then you'll have the same thermals as their 6-core products
<joelteon>
because it doesn't have an impact on gaming performance afaict and for everything else i want to use this box for the more cores the better
<eligrey>
all intel 6 cores (from sandy bridge-e and later) are just 8 cores with 2 cores physically disabled
<eligrey>
but for good reason--they usually really are bad cores as to why they were disabled
<joelteon>
what do you think of the idea of using a xeon e5
<eligrey>
joelteon: 6(12) cores handles every single workload i throw at it (given adequate cooling of course)
<eligrey>
you can't overclock xeons so they are bad for some dev or gaming workloads
<joelteon>
so a 6/8 core i7 might be a better idea
<eligrey>
very much so
<joelteon>
and a bit cheaper
<joelteon>
that'll save me $2500
<eligrey>
unfortunately intel is retarded and doesn't offer ecc ram support on their non-xeon chips
<joelteon>
lol
<eligrey>
64GB+ of ram on single-socket mobos is commonplace since 2012
<eligrey>
not allowing ecc is pretty short-sighted
<joelteon>
i'm pretty sure ECC is overkill for me
<joelteon>
i halfheartedly tried but i can't find a setup that supports 128GB of RAM reasonably
<joelteon>
i'd have to use a xeon cpu
<eligrey>
64gb of ram is enough for any single-person workload
<eligrey>
(yeah I know you will correct me in 20 years)
<joelteon>
i'll correct you in 20 years
<eligrey>
but we still use the Internet and not the Holosphere
<eligrey>
so idgaf
<joelteon>
:(
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lol.
<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE: was i right about you having some sata ssd raid?
<eligrey>
knowing the stuff you buy :p
<eligrey>
kind of* stuff
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
nope lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
macbook pro w/ pcie flash
<kaplan>
ELLIOTTCABLE, Is the new macbook worth buying?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
no lol
<kaplan>
ok
<kaplan>
ELLIOTTCABLE, what about the new macbook air
<eligrey>
<joelteon> brew info node
<eligrey>
pretty sure he's hacking me
<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE: sm951 + dell xps 13
<joelteon>
<eligrey> <joelteon> brew info node
<eligrey>
atm
<joelteon>
i didn't know the conversation was being recorded
<eligrey>
the 2015 xps 13 is so amazing and i'm very glad i got it instead of a macbook air
<joelteon>
oh wow
<eligrey>
it's a floating 3200x1800 monitor basically
<joelteon>
people other than apple started releasing high dpi displays
<eligrey>
i used to use a chromebook pixel
<eligrey>
joelteon: which was the first non-apple high dpi laptop back from 2012
<joelteon>
oh i dunno
<eligrey>
i'm still pretty upset that nobody is following google's lead with 3:2 aspect ratio displays
<eligrey>
3:2 is much nicer than 16:9 or 16:10 for laptops
<eligrey>
s/nobody/nobody other than microsoft/
<eligrey>
but i'm not going to buy a tablet
<eligrey>
i want things that can actually support themselves in my lap
<eligrey>
(referring to microsoft's 3:2 surface pro series)
<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE: since you like the macbook pro maybe you might want to consider a chromebook pixel 2 (2015) with an upgraded pcie ssd
<kaplan>
eligrey, is it really that good?
<kaplan>
the XPS
<eligrey>
the last-gen pixel i have is very solid construction and a great screen, with similar feel to a macbook pro
<eligrey>
kaplan: omg its wonderful
<eligrey>
very light too for "13 inch laptop"
<eligrey>
it's actually 11 inches wide
<eligrey>
but fits in a 13" diagonal screen
<kaplan>
I have an older XPS I am currently using and it is literally cancer and AIDS
<eligrey>
2.6-2.8lbs depending on your config
<eligrey>
i hated dell as well
<eligrey>
until i saw this beauty
<eligrey>
the bezel makes it feel like i'm in a scifi movie
<eligrey>
and the materials omg yes
<eligrey>
aluminum outside and carbon fiber + some resin composite on the inside
<eligrey>
very "soft" (like fabric soft) feeling
<eligrey>
decent battery life; i get 7-10 hours of chrome use or 5-6 hours of intense use (gaming etc)
<eligrey>
the 1080p model supposedly has up to 15 hours of chrome use but who cares about 1080p
<kaplan>
eligrey, how much did it cost?
<eligrey>
i got the maxed out i7 model for $1800
<eligrey>
and then spent another $520 on an SM951 ssd
<eligrey>
now depending on when the sm1715 comes out i may buy that for my desktop or just another SM951
<eligrey>
also depending on the price of the sm1715
<eligrey>
if it's >$3000 for the 1.6TB model then I'm probably not buying it
<eligrey>
probably for the best anyways
<kaplan>
where do you get so much money from, lol
<eligrey>
an array of sm951s is faster for less
* kaplan
's budget is $1000
<eligrey>
kaplan: still worth getting the $700 config of the xps 13
<eligrey>
with the i3 and 1080p screen
<eligrey>
i mean if that's your budget
<eligrey>
the lowest config says $800 but there's somewhere online you can get it down to $700 iirc
<eligrey>
kaplan: i get my money the same way ELLIOTTCABLE gets his
<kaplan>
I can stretch it to $1500
<kaplan>
eligrey, how does he get his?
<eligrey>
if you can, the models with 3200x1800 displays are so fucking gorgeous
<eligrey>
also up to 400cd/m^2 just like the chromebook pixel :)
<eligrey>
kaplan: from his family lol
<kaplan>
what
<eligrey>
well how did he get his
<eligrey>
his was an inheritance or something
<eligrey>
or his parents are alive and wrote him a too much money check, idk
<kaplan>
I was expecting that he worked hard day and night or something
<eligrey>
hahaha
<eligrey>
i can't picture ELLIOTTCABLE doing that for money
<eligrey>
maybe for passion
<eligrey>
kaplan: i think he may have a job now maybe possibly sorta i'm just guessing don't listen to me
<kaplan>
I'd work hard day and night if I had any skills
<kaplan>
but unfortunately I have been dealt a shit hand
<eligrey>
yeah life is very unfair
<eligrey>
unfortunately we weren't born into a post-scarcity world
<kaplan>
below average intelligence , schziophrenia and lack of money on top of that
<eligrey>
kaplan: does your govt cover healthcare bills
<kaplan>
nope
<eligrey>
wow thats unfair
<kaplan>
Healthcare at government hospital is very cheap though
* eligrey
does ip2geo on kaplan
<kaplan>
If you can stand the huge lines
<kaplan>
eligrey, India
<eligrey>
yeah that country does have some of the cheapest healthcare ever
<eligrey>
so at least it's not all bad
<kaplan>
I am getting treatment for schizophrenia and the visit to doctors has cost me 100 rupees so far
<kaplan>
less than $2 US
<kaplan>
20 visits
<eligrey>
you don't want to hear about america
<eligrey>
$2 isn't even enough to look a doctor in the eyes
<eligrey>
they'll charge thousands of dollars for pills that cost literally cents
<eligrey>
corrupt insurance-hospital ecosystem
<kaplan>
Meds cost $100/month though
<eligrey>
ELLIOTTCABLE: also of course i'm not suggesting you use chrome os on it
<kaplan>
eligrey, I literally begged strangers on the internet for this laptop 4 years ago
<eligrey>
you would install your favorite linux
<kaplan>
Collected $800 in donations
<kaplan>
and $600 from my own pocket
<eligrey>
what's your current laptop?
<kaplan>
XPS 15 L501x
<eligrey>
oh a dell...
<kaplan>
yeah
<kaplan>
hate it though
<eligrey>
until i saw the xps 13 i would have recommended samsung and asus stuff
<eligrey>
if you do windows
<eligrey>
or linux
<kaplan>
Linux
<kaplan>
been a linux and heavy command line user since I was 11
<eligrey>
i don't get anything larger than 12"-wide laptops
<eligrey>
laptops are about portability
<kaplan>
now anything else just hurts my brain
<eligrey>
and monster desktops are about everything else
<eligrey>
kaplan: woah 9 pounds
<kaplan>
yeah
<eligrey>
thats like a desktop replacement
<kaplan>
It is really heavy
<kaplan>
I hate it mostly because of Dell's shit service though
<eligrey>
they contract out to shitty local companies