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<ec> because that's toooootally unusable
<alexgordon> that's why it's important to have sensible defaults
<ec> and if you take something even *remotely* similar to what I'm picturing (name @ count-of-changes *or* content-hash), then that means the client needs to contact the server to map that to a uuid
<alexgordon> no it doesn't, the mapping is local
<ec> and *that act of mapping* is totally crucial to this, in my head. do you similarly see why it would be important? or am I talking to msyelf
<ec> yeah, no, we totally disagree on that: I don't want DEAD4BEEF to show up *anywhere* in ./project/*
<alexgordon> so you need internet connection 24/7?
<ec> the purpose of this, as far as I can see, is largely to solve similar problems to what npm solves: resolution of implementation/intent, and versioning of intent
<alexgordon> I envisage a json file that maps names to hashes
<ec> yeah that's precisely what I'm trying to avoid, 100%
<alexgordon> { "map": "iaojwd90jad298jawd" }
<ec> ugh I need to leave though ugh ugh ugh
<alexgordon> don't know how elsey ou can do it
<ec> I'll … put my thoughts together and serialize when I return?
<alexgordon> kk
<ec> alexgordon: <3
<ec> glowcoil: read and commennnntttt
<alexgordon> look if you can think of a better way I'm all for it, but it's got to actually work and be robust
<alexgordon> change count is not robust, and the only other alternative is a hash
<alexgordon> this is why I think of a module/package as being a map of names to hashes
<alexgordon> and nothing else
<alexgordon> (except for those integration tests)
<alexgordon> so you install a package, which presents an api of name -> hashes, then you download the function corresponding to each hash
<ja> hi
<purr> ja: hi!
<alexgordon> hi ja
<ja> hi alexgordon
<ja> wtf is the difference between barbells and dumbbells
<alexgordon> barbells are on a bar
<ja> wow, an english word with two b's in it o.o
<alexgordon> dumbells are on a dumb?
<ja> next to each other
<ja> haha
<ja> wat
<ja> “2 N. Amer. informal a stupid person.” lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> early 18th cent.: originally denoting an apparatus similar to that used to ring a church bell (but without the bell, so noiseless or “dumb”);
<alexgordon> interesting
<ja> yeah
<ja> I don't know what I would do without New Oxford American Dictionary
<alexgordon> pfft, Oxford Dictionary of English ftw
<ja> is it better? really?
<ja> New Oxford American Dictionary sounds newer
<ja> due to the “New”
<alexgordon> they're the same
<alexgordon> cmd-, select british english
<mkroman> macfags detected
<alexgordon> poor person detected
<ja> ooh, haha, right. I see.
<ja> poor person detected indeed
<mkroman> /!\ JEWISH PERSON DETECTED /!\
<alexgordon> correct
<mkroman> do you have a terminal that supports blinking text, alexgordon?
<mkroman> I need to know whether my message had maximum psychological effect
<alexgordon> terminal? this is gui :D
<alexgordon> so no
<mkroman> ಠ_ಠ
<mkroman> what, really?
<alexgordon> apparently textual doesn't support blinking text
<ja> real men only use terminals
<ja> I still don't understand the difference between dumbbells and barbells
<ja> especially not after looking it up
<mkroman> so… how're you enjoying your overpriced apparatus that can't even make text blink?
<ja> oh, like, the weights aren't permanently attached on barbells?
<alexgordon> mkroman: surely that if anything is a feature
<mkroman> but… but… then you've missed out on half the wonders of the web
<ja> the other half being marquees
<alexgordon> I guess I should implement this server, lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> spent so much time talking about it with elliott
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<ja> fuck yeah, go for it, alexgordon!
<alexgordon> I think elliott will "get" it when he sees it
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<ja> I think he'll "*get*" it, actually
<ja> maybe even with double asterisks
<ja> how's it coming along, alexgordon?
<alexgordon> ja: working 90%
<alexgordon> trying to figure out how to xor two buffers in js
<ja> nice!
<ja> shouldn't that be easy af?
<ja> why port bha_a and not bhasa?
<ja> ooo, protocol.md!
<alexgordon> ja: the port is 28101
<alexgordon> 2 = b, 8 = h, 1 = a, 0 = s, 1 = a
<ja> how the shits is 0 = s?
<ja> o wait
<ja> hehe
<alexgordon> s is the 19th letter of the alphabet
<alexgordon> :P
<ja> hehehe
<ja> I thought it was T9
<ja> or whatever
<ja> “dial 1-800-STARWARS”
<ja> I used to do my ports like that
<alexgordon> oh nah we don't do that here
<alexgordon> 0 is the identity for ^ right? lol
<purr> lol
<ja> lol wut
<ja> it's too hot in here
<ja> and I'm looking at an apartment which is located above a place called The Red Ruby
<ja> would be cool to live there considering how much Ruby I write
<alexgordon> ja: neutral element
<alexgordon> oh I am an fing idiot
<alexgordon> was wondering why xoring two buffers together THAT ARE THE SAME came up with all zeroes
<ja> lol
<purr> lol
<ja> what's your human uptime, alexgordon?
<alexgordon> human?
<ja> like… yeah…
<ja> your uptime
<alexgordon> uh
<ja> (as in not your computer's uptime)
<alexgordon> dunno
<alexgordon> it's 4am
<alexgordon> that is generally bedtime
<ja> oh yeah, we're basically neighbors
<ja> alexgordon: have you ever been to Denmark?
<alexgordon> yes, twice
<alexgordon> once when I was very young, then again when I was older
<alexgordon> actually denmark was the first foreign country I went to
<ja> oh, really? what did you do here?
<ja> did you go to Legoland?
<alexgordon> no :(
<ja> or did you see The Little Mermaid?
<ja> aw :<
<alexgordon> lol I have seen the little mermaid
<purr> lol
<ja> nice
<ja> was she larger than you'd expected?
<alexgordon> about the same size? lol
<ja> haha, very well then
<alexgordon> I have been to UK legoland, when I was the age that you're allowed to go to legoland :P
<ja> there's a minimum age for going to Legoland?!
<alexgordon> so 10 I guess
<ja> w… t… f…
<ja> I didn't even know there was some Legoland thing in Manchester
<ja> I'd only heard of Legoland Windsor
<alexgordon> me neither
<ja> man, I always wanted to go there as a kid
<ja> it felt like an alternate reality Legoland
<alexgordon> btw Executing (default): INSERT INTO `Versions` (`id`,`uuid`,`htotal`,`created`,`json`) VALUES (NULL,'0l3bkCWMRyCoZJuzIZsMVD','_ndCNecWgDuAxdYkXB8gFgPYW/3tl8W3I2UQcxVvKnw=',1447042414.453,'{"aaa":"bbb"}');
<alexgordon> awwww yeaaaaah
<ja> nice!
<alexgordon> hm, probably shouldn't commit test database, lol
<purr> lol
<ja> probably not ^____^
<alexgordon> so it's pretty much working
<alexgordon> you can get, you can set
<ja> sounds awesome
<ja> are you committing?
<alexgordon> yes I've pushed the changes
<alexgordon> now it just needs a web client
<ja> nice
<ja> s/comitting/pushing
<ja> well, the web interface is the easy part, right? :>
<ja> just use SproutCore ʘ‿ʘ lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> LOL
<ja> srsly, Textual should add blinking text
<alexgordon> I could try react at last
<ja> yeah
<ja> Meteor seems pretty cool too, but I don't know
<ja> it got slow as fuck when I started using Sass with it, if I recall correctly
<alexgordon> I don't really understand the idea of react
<alexgordon> people keep saying "use react!"
<ja> SRSLY, ALEXGORDON, GIVE ME `drag` >:C
<alexgordon> what is drag omg
<ja> I'VE TOLD YOU SEVERAL THOUSAND TIMES WHAT IT IS
<ja> IT'S THE SHIT
<ja> IT'S SO GREAT
<ja> I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT
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<alexgordon> project #2 https://github.com/bhasa/website
<ja> but you do understand the general idea of reactiveness?
<ja> yay!
<ja> Bhāṣā, yay!
<ja> insanity network, yay!
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<ja> mkroman_: keepnick.pl
<alexgordon> perl is for polish programmers
<ja> lol polish?!
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> .pl!
* ja lol'd out loud
<ja> o rite lol
<ja> I thought you were doing some nationalist value judgement
<alexgordon> I will take this oppertunity to make a plumbing joke
<ja> poles really like stealing bikes, y'know…
* ja awaits curiously
<alexgordon> lol well larry wall is supposed to be an über christian
<alexgordon> think he was a missionary
<ja> what the hell does that have to do with plumbing?
<ja> and how do I make MySQL show me months
<ja> I want months on my computer. today *fist-to-desk*
<alexgordon> ja: poland is a very religious country
<alexgordon> dunno if larry wall is catholic though
<alexgordon> probably one of those funny american churches
<ja> oh, I had no idea
<ja> srsly I need months
<ja> have you ever been to Poland, alexgordon?
<alexgordon> nope
<ja> me neither
<alexgordon> the most east I've been is berlin
<alexgordon> which isn't very east
<alexgordon> it's positively west, to be honest
<ja> lol, that's not very easty, no
<purr> lol
<ja> pretty close to poland though
<alexgordon> yeah there's almost as many polish people as in london!
<ja> alexgordon: do you like Capri Sun?
<ja> I think it's great
* ja is drinking one right now
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> never tried it (!)
<ja> NEVER?
<ja> damn
* ja wish he was better at SQL :<
<ja> I wanna SUM() a column “by” months
<ja> or… like… yeah-uhh…
<alexgordon> sooooooo
<alexgordon> I am too tired for this
<ja> DON'T LEAVE ME, ALEXGORDON
<ja> AT LEAST NOT BEFORE YOU GIVE ME `drag`
<ja> OTHERWISE I'LL FALL ASLEEP
<ja> srsly, please search your gists
<ja> I'm 99% positive that it was you
* alexgordon shakes head
<ja> that `fileability` name in the URL is burnt into my brain
<alexgordon> how can I have written something and not know what it is
<alexgordon> this does not make sense
<ja> people forget
<ja> oh wow, speaking of forgetting: I had totally forgotten you were behind Ingredients too!
<ja> great job, man!
<ja> I used to use the shit out of that on a daily basis
<ja> fack, I miss Cocoa development T_T
<ja> sooooo much nicer than web deving
<alexgordon> yeah ingredients was fun
<alexgordon> apple should have given me a job :P
<ja> they should've
<ja> why didn't they?
<ja> it was really good, dude!
<ja> I feel like Apple would've hired me to make Xcode for iOS if I had finished my iOS IDE… n_n
<ja> FACK, I wish I had finished that. I need it very often.
<ja> http://github.hubspot.com/tether/ — whoa, this is cool
<alexgordon> well
<alexgordon> scrolling is reaaaaaaaly sluggish
<ja> in Ingredients?
<alexgordon> no on that page
<ja> oh
<alexgordon> tether
<alexgordon> on this mbp with a fecking i7
<ja> it's smooth as fuck here in Safari
<ja> which browser are you on?
<alexgordon> chrome
<ja> oh
<ja> weird
<ja> scrolls smooth as hell here in Chrome too
<ja> are you sure you didn't just scroll with your cursor to the right of the screen, where all those `overflow: scroll`-y boxes are? ^____^
<ja> those “Scroll this area” boxes, i.e.
<ja> yay, my work project is finally progressing nicely now
<ja> fucking invoices
<ja> imma fuck em
<ja> with an mkroman
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<ja> ec: uhm, so why the fuck can you rename selected items in Finder by pressing ⌃M?!
<ja> s/selected items/the selected item
<ljharb> on a mac? what?
<ja> it's not like it's in the menu bar menu or anything
<ljharb> no you can't
<ja> yes
<ja> yes you can
<ja> I'm asking why, not if
<ljharb> not on any mac i've ever owned
<ljharb> perhaps you've set that up somehow?
<ja> have you ever tried hitting ⌃M?
<ljharb> yes
<ja> why would you try that?
<ja> it's so odd
<ja> haha
<ljharb> the mac has *no* default control commands
<ja> really? why? is it a rename shortcut on something else?
<ljharb> and i just tried it because you said it
<ljharb> and it doesn't work
<ja> weird
<ja> oh wait, which views were you in?
<ja> only works in icon view
<ja> o_O
<ljharb> hm
<ljharb> wow, ok, very weird
<ja> haha
<ljharb> works for me too
<ja> see!
<ja> I told you!
<ljharb> that's literally the first ^ command i've seen on a mac in 25 years
<ljharb> it's the same as if you hit enter
<ja> me too
<ja> yeah
<ljharb> that's super weird
<ljharb> no clue
<ja> is it an emacs shortcut for linefeed something?
<ja> looks like it
<ja> no wait, isn't it for marking or something?
<ja> that cool cocoa text system thing I never use
<ljharb> i don't know emacs
<ja> me neither
<ja> but I like their key commands which OS X support
<ljharb> control-k doesn't do anything
<ja> like ⌃T for transposing letters
<ja> ⌃K “kills” the line (removes everything to the right of the insertion point)
<ljharb> oh i guess that works while renaming
<ljharb> so yeah it's probably some weird emacs thing
<ja> ⌃A and ⌃E is like home and end
<ja> yeah, it inserts newlines in textedit if I press it twice, lol
<purr> lol
<ja> ljharb: ready for another extremely esoteric OS X oddity? do you have a Safari window open? or some app that can summon the old, non-iCloudized save panel? yeah, try right-clicking that sort button in-between the views segmented button and the location popup button (this one: https://upl.io/ccai15)
<ja> ʘ‿ʘ
<ja> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
<ljharb> lol wtf
<purr> lol
<ljharb> tweetered that
<ja> it's been there for years
<ja> what's your name on the tweeter?
<ja> @ljharb :B
<ja> naturally
<ljharb> yup
<ja> noice
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<alexgordon> ja: lol maybe you should work for apple as a QA
<purr> lol
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<ja> haha
<ja> alexgordon: SVP of QA \o/
<Rurik> Is the 12" Macbook worth buying?
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<ec> Rurik: @jdhartley thinks it's insanely cool
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<ec> ja: what the fuck
<ec> ja: I lol'd so hard
<purr> lol
<ec> alexgordon:
<ec> oh, he's not here. ugh.
<ec> Luc_: o7
<ec> I'm just going back AFK to dive into some shit, though.
<ec> Luc_: lurk, meet people, and I'll be around later, with any luck.
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<Luc_> I have not IRC'd in years this is incredibly alien feeling to me
<Luc_> though vaguely familiar
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<Luc_> I have not IRC'd in years this is incredibly alien feeling to me
<Luc_> though vaguely familiar
<ec> I. Love. Label. Makers. omg.
<Luc_> ec: what are your labeling
<Luc_> er
<Luc_> *you labeling
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<alexgordon> yo
<ec> 10:53 PM <alexgordon> how can I have written something and not know what it is
<ec> 10:54 PM <alexgordon> this does not make sense
<ec> ALEXGORDON HAS BEEN DISCOVERED
<ec> HIS PROgrAMMER-STATUS IS A LIE
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> ec: you found me out. I actually employ a chinese man to do all my coding
<alexgordon> I don't know the difference between a function and a furnace
<alexgordon> Rurik: have you tried it in real life?
<alexgordon> I thought it was painful to type on, ymmv
<alexgordon> there is no key travel
<alexgordon> it's like typing on a brick
<ja> Rurik: I'm personally waiting for the next version of it, although that keyboard really tempts me to get it now…
<ja> ec: at the ⌃M?
<ja> lol, yes, you've been discovered, alexgordon
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> ja: wait you _like_ the keyboard?
<ja> yes!
<ja> I've only tried it for a few minutes at a time, but it feels really refreshing
<ja> that low key travel time, zomg
<ja> it feels like I become one with the machine when writing on it
<ja> as if I'm completely interfaced into its systems
<pikajude> hey, guys
<pikajude> i'm really sad
<pikajude> the flight to germany fell through
<pikajude> my girlfriend is super disappointed
<glowcoil> pikajude: : (
<ljharb> how does a flight fall through?
<pikajude> well, it was me that fell through
<pikajude> flights are a bad phobia of mine and i had a really difficult week leading up to it
<pikajude> to the point where she said she didn't want to go because it wouldn't be fun
<glowcoil> pikajude: drive to germany
<glowcoil> pikajude: road trip
<pikajude> yeah, ok
<pikajude> good thing they built that bridge across the atlantic
<ljharb> you could take a boat i guess
<pikajude> yep
<ja> and arrive 3 weeks later
<ja> pikajude: :<
<alexgordon> pikajude: red bull
<alexgordon> lots of red bull
<alexgordon> I've seen the commericals
<pikajude> wings?
<alexgordon> pikajude: fly on the plane or your girlfriend will dump you eventually?
<pikajude> what?
<alexgordon> if you can't fly on planes you'll never be able to go anywhere!
<alexgordon> and that's depressing
<pikajude> right....i know
<pikajude> i need therapy
<alexgordon> flying lessons more like
<alexgordon> pikajude: buy a flight simulator?
<pikajude> i'm open to anything
<pikajude> but
<pikajude> i need time
<pikajude> i can't do it NOW
<alexgordon> it is really difficult to crash a plane, they kind of float
<alexgordon> it's like sailing in a boat, IN THE SKY /louisck
<alexgordon> pikajude: what is it about flying that you find objectionable?
<pikajude> it's really, really, really stressful
<pikajude> i had a panic attack on a plane when i was younger; it lasted the entire flight
<pikajude> the motion of the plane in flight is what triggers my anxiety
<pikajude> it's a frustrating situation, because the normal reasons for people hating planes (crash risk, claustrophobia, etc.) don't apply to me
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