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<alexgordon> pikajude: yeah I dunno what to suggest
<Rurik> alexgordon, not many people buy Macbooks here
<alexgordon> Rurik: where is 'here'?
<Rurik> India
<alexgordon> are you the same guy as yesterday who was from India? or does elliott just have a ton of Indian friends?
<Rurik> same
<alexgordon> but different nick?
<Rurik> yeah
<alexgordon> oh ok
<Rurik> Rurik is my registered nick
<alexgordon> so... any apple stores nearby?
<Rurik> There are some resellers
<alexgordon> it's a love/hate product, ja loves the 12" apparently
<alexgordon> but I really hate it
<Rurik> why so?
<alexgordon> there is no key travel
<alexgordon> it's like typing on something really solid
<Rurik> ah, are you a mechanical keyboard user?
<alexgordon> no no
<alexgordon> I like keyboards with low key travel, I'm typing on macbook pro keyboard right now
<alexgordon> but the 12" is too far
<alexgordon> for me
<Rurik> hmmn
<alexgordon> also for that price you can get a 13" mbp!
<Rurik> yeah
<Rurik> Apple's products seem ridiculously overpriced
<alexgordon> strong dollar
<Rurik> but I guess they make up for it by having a longer life
<alexgordon> well... not the 12" mbp :P
<alexgordon> that thing is so underpowered
<Rurik> I hope they don't discontinue the Air
<alexgordon> yeah
<alexgordon> although... it's showing its age a bit
<Rurik> yeah
<alexgordon> display isn't IPS, looks bad compared to the newer apple laptops
<Rurik> that low res display and 4GB RAM only
<alexgordon> sometimes I just take time out to admire the viewing angle on my mbp LOL
<purr> LOL
<alexgordon> shut up purr
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<ja> yeah, when does purr learn when to shut up?
<alexgordon> purr: stop.
<alexgordon> did that work? ....... lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> :(
<alexgordon> who would code a bot to be that annoying?
<ja> … you know eho
<ja> this is the last time I'm making a billing/invoicing/whateverthefuck system
<alexgordon> where is ec today
<alexgordon> he came in here to call me a fake, then nothing
<ec> currently watching dr who
<ec> sleeping soon
<ja> you sleep too much, ec
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<ja> man, I really fucked this up
<ja> pro tip: never write your own activerecord adapter
<ja> mkroman: can I borrow your time machine?
<mkroman> ja: you'll have to replace the flux capacitor
<mkroman> and only if you fill up the tank
<Rurik> ja, why do you like the 12" Macbook?
<ja> mkroman: where the hell am I supposed to get a replacement flux capiactor?
<ja> I'll have to check with my iranian connections regarding the fuel
<ja> Rurik: its size, weight, etc., but mostly the keyboard
<Rurik> ja, when do you think the new version will be released?
<ja> Rurik: around april, I guess
<Rurik> hmmn so, will alive here around June
<Rurik> When is exactly when I'll need a new machine
<Rurik> nice
<ja> :D!
<ja> where are you located, Rurik?
<Rurik> India
<Rurik> Though I am trying to GTFO
<Rurik> Hard to do when you don't have enough money
<Rurik> But i'll get out eventually
<pikajude> alexgordon: i know you don't
<pikajude> thanks for trying
<alexgordon> Rurik: lol not sure buying an apple laptop will help with the money :D
<purr> lol
<ja> mkroman: plz help me with the rails
<ja> I really FUBAR'd it
<Rurik> alexgordon, I have money, just not enough to move to another country
<ja> where'd you like to move, Rurik?
<Rurik> ja, Norway or Germany
<alexgordon> but not denmark?
<alexgordon> unicode needs a trollface
<ja> haha
<Rurik> Denmark and Sweden maybe
<ja> yeah, why not Denmark, Rurik?
<ja> here's room enough for both of us
<ja> and for mkroman
<ja> alexgordon: when on a deadline, how do you know when to drop everything you've done for the past week and rewrite everything?
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> never?
<ja> but…
<alexgordon> write it properly the first time!
<ja> but… … …
<ja> it's too late for that
<ja> waaaaaaay too late
<ja> i've coded myself into a horrible corner
<alexgordon> don't do that
<Rurik> ja, Can't understand a word of Danish when it is spoken :P
<alexgordon> neither can other danes, but they're too polite to say anything
<ja> Rurik: But you can understand Norwegian?! ^____^
<ja> alexgordon: TOO LATE, I TELL YOU! AAAAAAA
<Rurik> A little bit
<ja> alexgordon: you're right
<ja> Rurik: that's messed up
<alexgordon> Rurik: yeah but norway has two languages
<alexgordon> twice as difficult!
<ja> Exception NoMethodError -> undefined method `[]' for nil:NilClass lib/active_record/connection_adapters/dynaccount_adapter.rb:175:in `insert'
<ja> oh god no
<ja> this screams of rewrite
<ja> oh yeah, they do have two languages
<ja> they're pretty similar though I think
<Rurik> I understand Bokmål
<ja> alexgordon: I used regexp to parse ActiveRecord SQL in order to make HTTP API calls
<ja> what was I even… yeah… fuck…
<Rurik> And I need to know only one
<ja> kill me nao pls
<alexgordon> Rurik: also why not england! (hahaha like I even need to ask)
<alexgordon> Theresa May says No
<Rurik> alexgordon, Not interested in UK at all
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<alexgordon> Rurik: ikr, can't even go to legoland
<alexgordon> ja: how much indentation is there o_O
<pikajude> ikr Rurik
<pikajude> that's a neat sequence of letters
<alexgordon> two I's, three R's, two K's and a u
<alexgordon> ja: 6 levels. SIX
<Rurik> Though I am not sure if I can actually get outta here
<Rurik> Who'd hire a guy who went to a college called TITS
<alexgordon> hahaha
<alexgordon> no way
<Rurik> It is real
<ja> *LOL*
<purr> LOL
<ja> REAL TITS
* alexgordon types in "tits india"
<alexgordon> google returned what I expected
<ja> alexgordon: only two levels if you don't count the surroundings
<alexgordon> Rurik: TIoTS
<alexgordon> fixed it
<Rurik> yeah
<ja> mlol
<Rurik> they might have realized what it means and renamed to TIT&S
<alexgordon> that doesn't help...
<Rurik> Which is even funnier(Tit and Ass)
<pikajude> i find it funny how difficult it is to build some projects with clang just because clang accepts so fewer bad C programs than gcc does
<pikajude> drives me bonkers
<ja> hehe
<alexgordon> var me = $(this);
<alexgordon> var meEl = me.get(0);
<alexgordon> ^ stuff alexgordon writes
<ljharb> s/me/$me and it's basically the same for me
<ja> hi ljharb
<ja> whoever you are
<alexgordon> ljharb: you didn't see it? I put this into a jquery object $(this) then I extracted it again $(this).get(0)
<ljharb> alexgordon: yes but i prefix vars containing jquery objects with $
<ljharb> ja: hi
<alexgordon> jquery is like APL for html
<ja> hai guise
<ja> now i'm on a motherfucking train
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<Rurik> hi alexgordon
<alexgordon> sup
<Rurik> Installed OSX in a virtual machine
<alexgordon> have you never used os x before?
<Rurik> It is running smoothly but I don't know if it will handle XCode as well
<Rurik> nope
<alexgordon> yeah xcode is a beast
<Rurik> How much RAM does it take?
<Rurik> I have allocated 6/8 GB
<alexgordon> depends how big your project is
<Rurik> just a few lines of swift
<alexgordon> should be fine
<Rurik> before I get a mac
<Rurik> which means June next year
<alexgordon> imo if you want to use it for development, wait for the skylake MBPs to come out, then get a 13" with 16GB ram
<alexgordon> right now I'm using 12GB of ram, I think if you had 8, it would be tricky
<Rurik> Macbook Pros are crazy expensive
<alexgordon> more expensive than 12"?
<Rurik> Especially with INR being so weak
<alexgordon> in uk the 13" MBP 8GB is cheaper than the 12" MB 8GB
<alexgordon> even the air, is about the same price as 13" once you load it up with RAM
<Rurik> well, the price of 12" is 94000 rupees here
<Rurik> about 1500 USD
<alexgordon> and the 13"?
<Rurik> 85,000
<alexgordon> see! better :P
<Rurik> so about 1350 USD
<Rurik> but it has Core i5
<alexgordon> only the 15" has i7
<Rurik> ah, I see
<Rurik> gonna get the 13" then
<alexgordon> for programming either is fine, but RAM, man!
<alexgordon> I bought my imac in 2007 and I was using it all the way up to this year, after an ssd upgrade
<Rurik> nice
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<ec> alexgordon: “who would code a bot to be that annoying?” what.
<purr> beep.
<ec> ja: “ alexgordon: I used regexp to parse ActiveRecord SQL in order to make HTTP API calls” what.
<purr> beep.
<ec> I wonder if pikajude ever survived his flight
<Rurik> ec, how do I actually get started with the book you sent me
<Rurik> no idea what to do
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<alexgordon> ec: around?
<ec> alexgordon: headed to diner to work on resume / application stuffs
<alexgordon> haha ok
<alexgordon> finish that damn resume off
<ec> Rurik: it's like any other programming manual written as a textbook
<ec> just start reading, and do *all the exercises*
<alexgordon> ec: he's not here
<alexgordon> :P
<ec> if you need help with a topic, ask a mentor (i.e. this channel)
<ec> ;;
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<ec> alexgordon: anyway yes I am so bad at resume or school or …
<ec> I'm fucking petrified of school rn
<alexgordon> ec: dude you're going to have to learn how to do bad work quickly
<alexgordon> if this resume were a project, you failed because it's taking so long
<alexgordon> just kind of slap it together, then DONE, move on
<ec> alexgordon: it's not that that I'm afraid of
<ec> (also, I think that's a uniquely ‘Alex’ perspective. :P)
<alexgordon> haha indeed
<ec> I'm afraid of failing out due to lack of attendance (insomnia), motivation (depression), or completion of the work (add)
<alexgordon> ec: I always tried to do every piece of work perfectly, and it backfired because I'd be so _tired_ I couldn't keep it up
<ec> not that I necessarily have all (or any) of those, but that's my fears.
<alexgordon> there's something to be said for working at 80% only
<alexgordon> give it your 80%! :D
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<ec> alexgordon: hahhahahah
<ec> Aria: hey so how's CO
<ec> Aria: ;)
<Aria> Snowy!
<ec> Aria: I'm half-considering applying to MIT. idk anything at all about Boston, though, except some passing commentary from gkatsev.
<Aria> It is a delightful place for me to live.
<gkatsev> boston is cool
<Aria> Everything is walkable, the people are pleasant enough, sufficiently collectivist that people tend to get taken care of a bit, but prize their individuality and privacy.
<ec> I'm so confused as to how I thought you were in, like, north-western colorado
<Aria> Hehe. Yeah, I've never _been_ to NW Colorado.
<ec> the things I've *thought* I've known about you, for years:
<ec> - really into the idea of homeschooling, or not-schooling-at-all,
<Aria> Lived in Denver 'til I was 13, Ridgway, CO until 18, Oregon 'til 21, and then back to Ridgway.
<gkatsev> The T is both great and utterly horrible
<Aria> Yes. The T will fuck you over once in a while. But also, gets you everywhere you need to be.
<Aria> ec: now that fact is true. Self educated since 4th grade.
* ec nods
<gkatsev> also, I like how the one time I met Aria in person was in florida :P
<Aria> Hehe.
<ec> k so I got western CO right, but that's still a long time ago
<gkatsev> Aria: you moved to sf/oakland recently?
<ec> wait, Aria, you were at JSconf? which year? why didn't *we* meet? D:
<gkatsev> ec: this may
<ec> alexgordon: idk I don't think I'll be able to do 80%
<ec> problem is: I can't find the line between <maximum effort required to get a perfect grade> and <100% effort>
<ec> and I *need* perfect grades.
<ec> I'm applying to a shit-hole of a school (well, not really; but far from anywhere important.), because I have horrible academic history, and I aspire to a couple particular *good* schools.
<alexgordon> yeah you're toast
<ec> so I absolutely, have, to show a record of hard work and perfect grades.
<Aria> Hehe. I was at JSConf 2015.
<Aria> But no, I'm still in Boston, gkatsev. I just work for npm now.
<ec> going to try to completely destroy three or four semesters at IIT, and then apply to Northwestern.
<ec> did I tell anyone in here how badly I fucked up the NU thing?
<ec> it's so sad it's almost funny
<alexgordon> Aria: you work for npm? didn't know they were a business
* Aria laughs. Yup.
<ec> Aria: *you* work for npm too!?
<ec> goddamnit, they keep sucking up all of my favourite people
<gkatsev> Aria: oh, I thought you moved there recently, for some reason
<ec> I don't *want* to work on npm, but I *do* want to work with every. single. person. who works there.
<Aria> nope, I just visit :)
<ec> except maybe forrest, I think he hates me.
<Aria> Nah, Forrest just rolls his eyes and says "That Elliot. He's an interesting person." and goes about his business.
<ec> I bought him an antique ‘Welcome to GALESBURG!’ plaque thing as a gift
<ec> and then realized it was … not going to go over well
<gkatsev> I wouldn't mind working for npm, though, they don't currently have a job I would want (probably cli, maybe web). Also, happy at brightcove.
<ec> so that's now just sitting in my apartment
<Aria> Hehe.
<Aria> Indeed, the work at npm is not revolutionary. just good people doing simple, good work.
<gkatsev> I think that's a lot of other people's impressions of ec
<alexgordon> lolyep
<purr> lolyep
<alexgordon> lolpurr
<alexgordon> how come it repeated A but not B
<alexgordon> yeplol
<ec> ;)
<gkatsev> it knows
<gkatsev> Aria: maybe I was thinking of the other person from boston
<gkatsev> did they move?
<alexgordon> ec: do you have a spare box to run https://github.com/bhasa/server on?
<ec> gkatsev: no, andi moved *to* boston from SF, though
<ec> alexgordon: sure, I can put it on my shitty linode if you like
<ec> but much better idea to herokuify it if you ask me
<ec> I can make you a sub-account on mine, I think?
<Aria> Oh, Iarna moved from Boston to Oakland.
<alexgordon> ec: just needs to have port 28101 open
<Aria> But yeah, Andi just moved this way. She lives a few blocks from me.
<ec> Aria: that's so cool. They're ++people.
<gkatsev> I think I must've been thinking of iarna
<Aria> Indeed. Had dinner with her the other night.
<Aria> I miss Iarna.
<alexgordon> I would put it on my linode but I can't upgrade the version of node installed without risking breaking stuff :P
<ec> alexgordon: create an account and I'll add you
<ec> or
<ec> just tell me the e-mail you want to use.
<alexgordon> for what?
<gkatsev> alexgordon: are you using nvm?
<ec> heroku.com
<alexgordon> never used heroku, too poor
<gkatsev> because it'll let you upgrade version of node for the currently running shell without affecting others
<alexgordon> gkatsev: I try to avoid doing anything to my linode, it is ancient
<alexgordon> LOL
<purr> LOL
<gkatsev> well, that's another good reason
<ec> alexgordon: yes, so I'm saying, just tell me your e-mail for this
<ec> basically: alextgordon@gmail.com or alextgordon+heroku@gmail.com?
<alexgordon> ec: alextgordon@gmail.com
<ec> :P
<gkatsev> Aria: only one or two more people and it'll warrant a boston office!
<alexgordon> cool
<Aria> Hehe.
<Aria> Hehe, yeah, we've got two!
<alexgordon> gkatsev: it does all the registration stuff for chocolat, which is a mix of PHP and OpenSSL
<alexgordon> two of the worst things in the world
<alexgordon> last time I broke that it took a week to put it back together again
<alexgordon> ec: ok I'm signed up
<alexgordon> do I have to do something on the github side?
<ec> alexgordon: mmhmm, although it's unrelated
<ec> this is to allow Heroku to automatically deploy changes from the GitHub repos and stuff
<ec> (heroku is actually really slick. very well designed.)
<alexgordon> ec: ok I made you an admin so you can tweak it if you need
<ec> (it's basically a containerized host with a lot of slick tooling around getting your code deployed into containers; although it *doesn't* really expose the containerization side of things too much
<ec> until recently when they started to let you ship Docker containers up to them, pre-made, instead of making your code go through their buildpack/‘slug’ system
<ec> alexgordon: er, it wasn't showing up. I just left. re-invite/privilege me? o_O
<alexgordon> ec: done
<ec> wtf
<ec> oh no it's at the organization level
<alexgordon> ohh
<ec> just click this link and do it yourself :P
<alexgordon> k
<alexgordon> I invited you to the org
<ec> yayyy
<ec> done
<alexgordon> ec: so currently it is set up to use sqlite for the database
<alexgordon> will that work on heroku?
<ec> basically, it can, but it's a pain and not at all worth it
<ec> because they make Postgres a breeze
<alexgordon> HOLY SHIT THAT IS EXPENSIVE
<alexgordon> dev plan, definitely
<ec> you don't *have* to use theirs, either
<alexgordon> true
<ec> they provide a fuckton of integrations; and everything is done through environment variables
<alexgordon> let's see what this dev plan is like
<alexgordon> ec: so how does one get database settings into the app? is there a system of config files or environment variables or something?
<alexgordon> it's a public repo so obviously I can't commit it
<ec> there are ways to do things with files; but it's a bad plan
<ec> you can *manually* set secret environment variables,
<ec> but with heroku-blessed ‘integrations,’ you just “add them to your app,” and all of the necessary configuration is preformed and exposed to your app
<ec> so go to the homepage of the app, scroll down to add-ons, and just search ‘Postgres.’
<ec> (you can also install from their pages in the ‘addon database’: https://elements.heroku.com/addons/heroku-postgresql, click the big “Install” button on the right, then select Bhasa.)
<ec> this is all especially cool 'cuz you can bundle this effort up, and make it into a ‘Heroku Button,’ which anybody can push
<ec> drop it in your project's README, anybody clicks the button, and they have a free (if you used all-free ‘addons’) Bhasa server running instantly.
<alexgordon> cool
<alexgordon> !
<ec> yah, I pretty quickly became a heroku fan
<emilyrose> lol
<purr> lol
<ec> it's also neat, because they provide their entire production environment as a Vagrant config? I think? or maybe as docker containers? I don't recall,
<ec> but you can ‘ship’ your code into a local environment that you can ssh into and debug in precision
<ec> which is pretty unique amongst the LXC hosts, afaik
<ec> emilyrose: lol? you *not* a Heroku fan? :P
<emilyrose> I've never really used it
<ec> also hi
<emilyrose> hey
<alexgordon> process.env.DATABASE_URL simple enough
<ec> alexgordon: yah
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<alexgordon> godfingdammit
<alexgordon> keep getting disconnected
* ec pats alexgordon
<ec> irccloud, my friend, irccloud
<alexgordon> trying to storyboard the web client
<alexgordon> needs a home page, explaining the whole thing. pages for each object, and some kind of search
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<alexgordon> ec: ok I have designed the whole thing on paper
<alexgordon> it's amazingly simple
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<ec> I can't believe nobody's removed me from webkit/webkit
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<alexgordon> ok on webclient
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<ec> alexgordon: here?
<ec> or, idk, anybody else /=
<gkatsev> no one is here
<ec> gkatsev: you!
<ec> tell me how fucking terrible my re-written resume is
<ec> it's just as bad as the old one, basically, but shorter and more embellished.
<gkatsev> it's terrible
<ec> (I took alexgordon's advice ‘just write down what you've done; and if you haven't done anything, lie.’ to heart.)
<gkatsev> idk, haven't seen it
<ec> -^
<purr> ec: Put on your hat!
<gkatsev> lying on a resume really isn't a good thing
<ec> w
<ec> what
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<ec^> purr: now what
<ec^> gkatsev: lol joking about the lying. But I tried to act as if I believed I was Good at Things.
<purr> lol
<ec^> -factoid ^
<purr> ec^: Alias: |hat
<ec^> -factoid |hat
<purr> ec^: Popularity: 4, last changed by: elliottcable|hat, 1kſ 438ſ 649mſ ago
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<gkatsev> that resume has waaaaay too many fully formed sentences/paragraphs
<ec|hat> holy shit, 1,438 days ago
<ec|hat> brb
<gkatsev> *no one* will actually read anything you wrote there
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<glowcoil> i need to make more cool thing
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<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> glowcoil!
<alexgordon> gkatsev: pfft, tell that to lance armstrong
<gkatsev> lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> being a pathological liar works!
<alexgordon> sooo if I can figure out how to deploy to heroku, this thing could actually work