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<incomprehensibly>
ELLIOTTCABLE: i maybe know 2% more than you and could help
<incomprehensibly>
maybe not
<incomprehensibly>
i actually know nothing about electronics
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
incomprehensibly: >:
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well like basics โ without *specific instructions*, idk designing a circuit?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
also I'm having my normal โweird programmer responseโ to learning a new thing that isn't programming
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
โwhy isn't this more specific? why is everything they say so wishy-washy? why don't they define every one of their terms in intimate detail, and then provide measurements to N degrees of precision?!?โ
<gnomon>
ELLIOTTCABLE, 'cuz you're reading a man page instead of an RFC!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
like I'm reading this little tutorial on building an audio-mixer, which is half-way to what I want to build; but it doesn't even include actual part numbers, or the resistances of resistors, or shit
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
it just says "a resistor here" and "a pot here" and I'm like DON'T I NEED MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAN THAT!? HOW CAN THAT JUST WORK!?!?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
math is the same way โ I'm all like NONE OF THIS NOTATION MAKES ANY INTERNALLY COHERENT SENSE, CAN YOU PLEASE REDESIGN THIS LANGUAGE BEFORE TRYING TO TEACH IT TO ME
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
silly mathematicians.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
excepting math, it's weird how top-down *everything* but programming is
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
like ... well of *course* electronics stuff makes no sense; they're all quietly ignoring their compiler, because they don't fucking understand it
<gnomon>
ELLIOTTCABLE, ever read anything on the topic of the badness of symbolic representation by Ken Iverson?
<gnomon>
ELLIOTTCABLE, also, on that same topic, I feel like you and @mhoye would share some frustrations.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you kinda *have* to be top-down person to do physical engineering, because we don't even have a coherent theory as to how the compiler at the bottom actually works
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gnomon: /invite
<gnomon>
@mhoye? On Freenode? Heh.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what
<gnomon>
He's a Mozilla guy, his presence on Freenode is truly minimal.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh lord *eyeroll*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
โช BLING, BLING, BITCH; DO MY OWN THANG, BITCH
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
โช FUCK A WEDDIN' RING THAT DING-A-LING WAS JUST A FLING, BITCH
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
purrrrrrrr
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
grr
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
โ\ is 1Password, but also Chrome's inspector's โcontinueโ
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and it's not configurable เฒ _เฒ
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
gnomon: R U SIGN UP 4 TEST YET
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
incomprehensibly: ditto
<gnomon>
ELLIOTTCABLE, no sir. Not in the cards for this year.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh wtf he's probably on the same repeaters as me
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
he's outside Champaigne?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
cannot spell that shit ever
<gnomon>
ELLIOTTCABLE, professionally, too. Worked for Canadian sigint agencies. Lifelong NDA; he's been retired for many years, the feds still interview the neighbours every couple of months to make sure he's maintaining infosec.
<gnomon>
ELLIOTTCABLE, he was posted up in some northern base listening posts for a long time.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
haha there's a few sigint people on specifically *these same repeaters*
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
there's always the โWhat's your call, where do you live, can you talk about what you do for a job?โ
<gnomon>
Probably pals (:
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
brr!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
brr: r u still super-weird
<gnomon>
Anywhoop, I've got to hit the old road and head home - hoping to not get hit by any cars on the way, bike lanes are a disaster after the first major snowfall of the season last night.
<gnomon>
Hope to catch y'all tomorrow!
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
o7
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
oh wow, second Millennium Problem solved
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
+ see rejected nodes in the `seen` argument (144877556ms)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
that's a long fucking test-case
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
when you spend a month (off-and-on) debugging a test failure, only to find it's a reproducible bug in your *testing library*