01:55 <marcan> electronic_eel: agreed wit whitequark on the recent conversation

01:55 <marcan> *with

02:36 <awygle> whitequark: hate to trouble you with this but is there a way (maybe a gtkw file?) for me to save meaningful names for "pin0..pin15" in the vcd output of the ELA?

02:40 <whitequark> sadly not, and i'm about to go sleep

02:40 <whitequark> maybe tomorrow

02:41 <awygle> ah ok, nvm then

02:41 <awygle> it's no biggie

02:41 <awygle> sleep well

02:43 <whitequark> ty

04:45 <marcan> electronic_eel: and yeah, happy to help poke at the layout again :)

15:45 <Stormwind_mobile> Can I ask who of you has working experience in EE? Like what range could I ask for when it comes to salary?

15:47 <d1b2> <Mathis> Your geographical location and work/experience background would probably help 🙂

15:51 <d1b2> <tnt> Yeah, geography is pretty important ... also what's the job exactly ?

15:52 <d1b2> <tnt> also ... not sure it's the right channel.

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21:46 <d1b2> <transorbs> @Stormwind Midwest US entry level expect anywhere from probably $60k up to $90k depending on industry

21:47 <d1b2> <transorbs> senior EE range you'd be looking at $90k to $140k, maybe a bit more

21:51 <Twix> Thats so much compared to europe. But prices are much lower here(except for computer games and intel hardware, which are more expensive than in the us) ...

21:55 <d1b2> <transorbs> twix: for reference a reasonably nice house in a just OK area here is like $150k-250k

21:55 <d1b2> <transorbs> not sure how that compares to where you are in Europe

21:57 <electronic_eel> Twix: when comparing us to europe salaries, do not underestimate health insurance, which tends to be much more expensive in the us

21:58 <Twix> houses are more expensive than in the us. An house for a family i would think of 350 k€ in those times. But thoses houses are better build than american houses. We have really strict laws for buildings ...

22:00 <Twix> electronic_eel, i don't think that. As health insurance is mandatory, everyone pays into it. The rate by law here in germany is 7,3 % of the income.

22:00 <Twix> thats not that much ...

22:01 <electronic_eel> Twix: yes, the health insurance is much cheaper in europe than in the us

22:01 <d1b2> <transorbs> US healthcare isn't wildly expensive if you're somewhat healthy, but bad if you have chronic illness, etc

22:02 <d1b2> <transorbs> I pay $120/mo for great healthcare, so $1400 per year. Had to go to the ER for 9 stitches in the hand and it cost me like $300 total or something

22:02 <Twix> its cheaper if everyone pays into it :)

22:02 <Twix> but trumps keeps calling it communism ...

22:02 <d1b2> <transorbs> but the medication for my s/o who has epilepsy varies

22:02 <d1b2> <transorbs> right now like $30/mo, for a while it was $70/mo, and can be worse.

22:04 <electronic_eel> transorbs: you pay $1400/year healthcare and still have to pay hundreds for each treatment like the ER?

22:05 <electronic_eel> what happens if you need more complicated treatment, like a big operation, cancer treatment,...? if you still have to pay for each treatment then, you may run out of money fast

22:06 <kc8apf> your $120/mo doesn't include the base amount your employer pays

22:07 <Twix> nearly everyone in my family had an Appendicitis(except for me). They got the treatment for free. I heard of people loosing their homes in america because of this ...

22:07 <whitequark> electronic_eel: knowing a few people who regularly need more complicated treatment: you're basically completely fucked

22:07 <whitequark> you're basically completely fucked *even if you make silicon valley money*

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22:09 <electronic_eel> whitequark: yeah, that is why I think a mandatory health insurance, like it is common in western europe, is a good idea. you don't have to pay for each treatment, just a fixed % of your salary

22:10 <whitequark> pretty much the entire rest of the world agrees this is a good idea, i think

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