00:10 <Noxz> I'm a noob to equipment, but I am sorta around, prepping dinner

00:12 <CoolCmos> well i have no experience with equipment at all

00:12 <CoolCmos> im wondering costs and types

00:13 <CoolCmos> i was reading on lithography machines but there was no cost info.. and also i wondered about depostition equipment

00:14 <CoolCmos> and the removal chemical equipment

00:14 <SpeedEvil> In general, very, very expensive.

00:15 <SpeedEvil> >>$10K

00:15 <CoolCmos> even used older models

00:15 <CoolCmos> $10K

00:16 <CoolCmos> what kind of equipment can i get for 10k

00:18 <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schlumberger-IDS-P3X-IDSP3X-Focused-Ion-Beam-FIB-Schlumberger-IDS-P3X-Focuse/401134121615?_trkparms=aid%3D555017%26algo%3DPL.CASSINI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D5ea3f4ae5683489eaaaa1a1a6f160a7c%26pid%3D100507%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26&_trksid=p2045573.c100507.m3226

00:18 <SpeedEvil> for example. (not working)

00:18 <sync> probably some old contact aligner

00:18 <SpeedEvil> What are you wanting the equipment for.

00:18 <SpeedEvil> If you are hoping to make your own chips, basically nothing, unless you get very, very lucky

00:19 <SpeedEvil> You may be able to make chips with a dozen devices on, with 'minimal' investment.

00:19 <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdcKwOo7dmM

00:24 <CoolCmos> i saw jeris videos years ago when in college

00:26 <CoolCmos> some could be improvised like .. well not as primitive as jeri.. but still could be improvised like solvent tanks for mask removal and such

00:27 <sync> well,

00:27 <sync> you have to get them metal ion free

00:27 <CoolCmos> but still deposition and lithography i dont see how it could be done else wise

00:27 <sync> which is the tricky part

00:40 <SpeedEvil> YOu can in principle do optical resists quite cheaply.

00:40 <SpeedEvil> And vacuum chambers and ... similarly.

00:40 <SpeedEvil> Contamination control is probably the major issue