04:00 <mrdata> freemint, there is probably a collection of such patents. if you want to use an open process it probably cannot be one that is patented. but many processes of the 20k gates era have expired

11:27 <SpeedEvil> A lot of the processes are trade secrets, and even though they are not applicable any more, you simply can't get them.

11:27 <SpeedEvil> - you can't simply copy the 'hard bits' of a 1970s fab design.