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surami >
i would like to ask something guys
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surami >
if you could help me
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surami >
HummingBoard-i2eX
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surami >
it has 1 HDMI out port
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surami >
is there any solution to reprogramm it to IN port?
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surami >
so i mean to reprogramm that port from OUT to IN
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jnettlet >
surami, no that isn't possible
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surami >
that's a sad thing
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surami >
i ask because of this project
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jnettlet >
I don't see what that has to do with hdmi input.
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surami >
that stuff will output
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surami >
4K RAW through experimental HDMI solution (not ready yet)
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surami >
but we have to store it somewhere...
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surami >
and this hummingboard has HDMI port, but sadly only input
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surami >
and the other thing is that hummingboard has mpcie gen2 too
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surami >
so it could store the data on it
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jnettlet >
but that would have to be on an hdmi 2.0 port
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jnettlet >
not much hardware is supporting that.
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jnettlet >
actually using hdmi to transfer data for storage doesn't make much sense. Really USB 3.0 would be a much smarter choice
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surami >
well i'm not a technical guy or programmer
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surami >
so this is very chinees for me :)
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jnettlet >
that is why I don't have much faith in a lot of these campaigns. I really hate that they can take the campaign money without even delivering a product
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jnettlet >
but there is really no need to come up with "experimental" hdmi transfers. There is the hdmi 2.0 standard which is rated for 4k video at 60fps.
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surami >
well i believe in opensource
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surami >
more eyes can see more things
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jnettlet >
if they want to transfer that video to a PC then USB 3.0 has plenty of bandwidth to handle that.
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surami >
there something bad with usb 3 things
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surami >
i mean hard to implement it
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surami >
a pcie storage would be the best
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<
surami >
put the data directly on SSD
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<
surami >
zed boards will be used
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jnettlet >
that would be way to expensive. raw 4k video is huge
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surami >
yes i know, 1 frame is around 25 MB
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jnettlet >
you will generally find that most phones like the Note 4 that record 4k video compress it to h264 in hardware before storing it.
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surami >
but not in this quality i think :)
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jnettlet >
I don't know. I haven't seen any of the quality that they have shot at yet.
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surami >
i graded this frame made by a1ex from Magic Lantern
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jnettlet >
and they are capturing that at 60fps?
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surami >
there are many plans
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surami >
this sensor will be used
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surami >
this video is from that stuff
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jnettlet >
the video looks fine. I just think using hdmi to get the video off the camera is a bad idea.
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surami >
i don't know what are the restrictions to do that
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surami >
i don't understand too much things
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surami >
on this technical side sadly
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surami >
it should be stored on SSD and that's it...
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surami >
but how i can't tell :)
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surami >
thanks for your reply on that HDMI input questoin
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surami >
if you are interested in this developing
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surami >
#apertus is the channel
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jnettlet >
k, thanks
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surami >
cheers all, have a nice day!
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aholler >
"any hdmi recorder" sounds funny. never heard of such consumer devices
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surami >
not cheap stuffs
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surami >
but an open solution would be better
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surami >
that's why i started to search in other directions
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surami >
i don't know
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jnettlet >
aholler, there are some, but they aren't widespread because a lot of hdmi content is hdcp encrypted
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aholler >
exactly. and if it isn't you likely have it already stored ;)
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jnettlet >
the Chumby NetTV box that was never released had HDMI input. They used an FPGA to run a software based HDMI chip
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surami >
at this Axiom Beta camera maybe the MLV video format will be used
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jnettlet >
but it was only fast enough to handle 720p
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surami >
DNG frames :)
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aholler >
besides that storing 4k will be a pain. even if compressed you will need an enormous disk space and fast i/o to access it
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aholler >
nothing which is currently really affordable for consumers
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surami >
the camera will process different formats
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surami >
different fps, etc.
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jnettlet >
well you could do a direct PCIe -> PCIe connection
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surami >
yes that would be the best, and store on SSD
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surami >
they will solve something like that, but
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surami >
it should be a portable thing
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surami >
smallet then laptop
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surami >
single board computer would be the best
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aholler >
it will be a pain to handle the recorded stuff. ;)
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surami >
we will se what will be in around april next year
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surami >
i will be happy with downscaled 1080p high fps raw data too
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aholler >
do you've done some maths what transfer speed is needed for 4k?
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surami >
1 4k frame is around 25 MB
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surami >
then 25 x 25 = 625 MB but it's
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surami >
3840x2160 would be a bit smaller
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surami >
i counted around with 16 MB/frame (3840x2160)
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surami >
so 25 fps aroud 400 MB/s
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surami >
pcie gen2 can do this
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surami >
SSD-s are out there
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surami >
but we need pcie out from this Beta to do something with pcie
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surami >
what will be i don't know
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surami >
anyway it's very interesting project :)
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aholler >
with a bit luck you could sned it out over gige. just the receiving side would have a problem ;)
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surami >
it's too slow
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aholler >
not if compressed
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surami >
what is the full bandwith?
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aholler >
giga_bit so 1000/8 - foo
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surami >
or more giges
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surami >
split the frames
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aholler >
don't how large the compression rate is for 4k, but I assume it's better than for 720p because of more similiar pixels
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aholler >
s/how/know/
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surami >
if the data can be splitted somehow
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surami >
then gige would be fine maybe
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surami >
and custom i think
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aholler >
use 8 ethernet-ports and bonding ;)
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surami >
8 cables .. eh
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aholler >
and of course no imx6 would be able to handle it ;)
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surami >
1080p raw frame maybe around 4 MB
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surami >
4 x 25 is 100 MB
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surami >
so 1 gige to a hummingboard would be fine
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surami >
and there store on SSD at the mpcie port
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surami >
4K is a big problem :D
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surami >
and japanes are doing 8K already
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surami >
i leave now
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surami >
thank for you inputs guys!
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surami >
follow that axiom project it's very interesting
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aholler >
a bit math can be enlightening ;)
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