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<ipfsbot> [webui] greenkeeperio-bot opened pull request #214: babel-core@6.4.5 breaks build ⚠️ (master...greenkeeper-babel-core-6.4.5) https://github.com/ipfs/webui/pull/214
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<lgierth> .tell dignifiedquire dist.ipfs.io live -- sorry for the delay. check `dig TXT dist.ipfs.io` and file something in ipfs/ops-requests if it needs an update
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<Ronsor_> hi
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<leer10> wow
<leer10> I like the updates to the ipfs firefox extension
<leer10> exp. the ability to pin a page :)
<leer10> it's like bookmark+
<leer10> I'm gonna go into airplane mode for a few moments, probably before ping timeout just to see it in action
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<leer10> it kinda works but it wasn't able to grab all the resources
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<nicolagreco> I am sorry I could not join today's meetings, tuesdays are the busiest
<nicolagreco> I am really excited about IPLD (and as someone mention the crdt experiment!)
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<Kubuxu> ianopolous: Unfortunately CRDTs hardly fit public consensus but it would be a step forward.
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<ianopolous> kubuxu: sure, but they are a super handy building block
<Kubuxu> Yes they are that is why I would love to do something like that on top of IPLD (not having to worry about chunking, convergent binary form and so on),.
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<adam__> SET theme boom.theme
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<ipfsbot> [webui] Dignifiedquire closed pull request #214: babel-core@6.4.5 breaks build ⚠️ (master...greenkeeper-babel-core-6.4.5) https://github.com/ipfs/webui/pull/214
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<ipfsbot> [webui] Dignifiedquire closed pull request #159: Remove jquery (router...remove-jquery) https://git.io/vuqlc
<ipfsbot> [webui] Dignifiedquire opened pull request #215: Remove jquery (master...remove-jquery) https://git.io/vz4gL
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<ipfsbot> [webui] Dignifiedquire pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/vz4gG
<ipfsbot> webui/master d6e71e1 Friedel Ziegelmayer: Merge pull request #215 from ipfs/remove-jquery...
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<aaaaaaaaa____> hi - i'm experimenting with backing up a library with ipfs and hung up at a very early point: i've added files to my node and they are visible through the local gateway, but when i try http://gateway.ipfs.io/ipfs/samehash it just hangs for hours and never resolves. can someone tell me what i should look for to fix this?
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<ipfsbot> [webui] Dignifiedquire opened pull request #216: Finish Es conversion (master...es-plus-plus) https://git.io/vz4XU
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<brimstone> aaaaaaaaa____: do other hashes that you didn't create work for your local gateway?
<brimstone> aaaaaaaaa____: how many connections in `ipfs swarm peers` ?
<aaaaaaaaa____> ipfs swarm peers | wc -l = 35
<aaaaaaaaa____> looking for another hash to test with
<brimstone> aaaaaaaaa____: use QmT8US3Y5HTsur49xjj6LGAsNdpoW5zKn7EGatLEjonPFk
<brimstone> you should be able to just `ipfs cat QmT8US3Y5HTsur49xjj6LGAsNdpoW5zKn7EGatLEjonPFk` it
<aaaaaaaaa____> same behavior i guess.. still waiting.
<aaaaaaaaa____> no response, no prompt, just waiting
<brimstone> herm
<brimstone> sounds like a connectivity problem
<patagonicus> Might be that you are running a different version of IPFS - 0.3.x and 0.4.x are incompatible as far as I know.
<aaaaaaaaa____> ah ok.. ipfs version 0.4.0-dev
<brimstone> my node is on 0.3.x, is the gateway on both now?
<brimstone> aaah, that's it
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<bigbluehat> lmatteis: did you get your answer about incentives from yesterday?
<bigbluehat> also. I'm still not able to sort this issue :-/
<bigbluehat> hash=`echo "I <3 IPFS -$(whoami)" | ipfs add -q`
<bigbluehat> returns
<bigbluehat> Error: Argument 'path' is required
<bigbluehat> this is on 0.4.0-dev fwiw
* bigbluehat wonders if add doesn't work the same or something
<haad> :)
<Ape> bigbluehat: Does this work: echo "simple test" | ipfs add
<bigbluehat> nope. same issue
<bigbluehat> this is in bash on Windows 10 fwiw
<bigbluehat> but don't think that matters
<bigbluehat> adding an actual file works fine
<haad> just release the server to Orbit: https://github.com/haadcode/orbit-server. together with https://github.com/haadcode/orbit-client you should be able to do dynamic content apps on IPFS.
<Ape> Maybe it does matter, that should work
<haad> *released
<dignifiedquire> haad: uuhh sounds like you have been busy :)
<haad> dignifiedquire: I've been busy diving :)
<dignifiedquire> :D
<haad> back in civilization for a few days so took the time to finally finish that and release it
<bigbluehat> Ape: yeah...maybe it does... :(
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<haad> dignifiedquire: if you have time/interest to test those feedback would be highly appreciated
<haad> or go and make your own ipfs-twitter ;)
<Ape> bigbluehat: You should report the issue to github
<dignifiedquire> haad: I will test this for sur!
<dignifiedquire> *sure
<bigbluehat> Ape: kk
<haad> cool, thanks!
<Ape> haad: Shouldn't it be easy to ipns to that? Well, lag would be currently an issue
<haad> Ape: currently ipns has the limitation of one key per node as opposed to arbituary keys, so you can't do a lot with it
<ipfsbot> [webui] Dignifiedquire closed pull request #195: ES6/7 refactor, Remove jQuery (master...feature/es6-7) https://git.io/vzGE8
<Ape> You can still point to a directory with ipns
<haad> Ape: sure, but I can't write to your ipns name and you can't write to mine, so a database is impossible
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<haad> Ape: eventually ipns will handle those but for the time being, need to go around it by having a layer on top of it
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<bigbluehat> Ape: there's a handful of other things I've recorded as annotations via hypothes.is here https://via.hypothes.is/https://ipfs.io/docs/getting-started/
<bigbluehat> should these be reported against go-IPFS?
<bigbluehat> or is the site in GH?
<patagonicus> bigbluehat: https://github.com/ipfs/website should be it
* M-davidar wonders if we should enable hypothesis for ipfs.io
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<ipfsbot> [webui] Dignifiedquire closed pull request #216: Finish Es conversion (master...es-plus-plus) https://git.io/vz4XU
<richardlitt> good job, dignifiedquire
<richardlitt> :)
<richardlitt> Super glad to see those things merged
<dignifiedquire> richardlitt: thanks :)
<dignifiedquire> now that I have some time on my hands ;)
<richardlitt> haha
<dignifiedquire> richardlitt: do you know the news then?
<richardlitt> I heard
<richardlitt> I think?
<whyrusleeping> i should implement the keystore...
<whyrusleeping> anyone watching the arcticJS talks?
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: no I'm busy working on the webui :P
<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: lol
<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: did you finally ship distributions?
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: did you fix the bug?
<whyrusleeping> there was a bug?
<dignifiedquire> lgierth: how is my dist page coming along
<dignifiedquire> whooo it's live Oo
<dignifiedquire> http://dist.ipfs.io/
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: https://github.com/ipfs/distributions/issues/29
<dignifiedquire> if you tell me how to fix it I can do it
<dignifiedquire> but wasn't sure where exactly in your bash script to mess
<richardlitt> :)
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<richardlitt> whyrusleeping: I know some people who are.
<richardlitt> ralphtheninja and magalhini
<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: 'bug' is a strong term
<whyrusleeping> i prefer to think of that as a feature
<dignifiedquire> it is a bug because it result ins the big blue download button being broken atm
<dignifiedquire> (for go-ipfs)
<whyrusleeping> blerg
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<bigbluehat> patagonicus: heh...hiding it...weren't you. :-P
<bigbluehat> tnx
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<haad> whyrusleeping: keystore mentioned! it's on your todo list finally? :O
<lmatteis> bigbluehat: just curious because it's tricky letting people store data they dont' want
<whyrusleeping> haad: yeah, its getting pushed onto my todo list now
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<whyrusleeping> its after libp2p work and private networks and directory sharding
<whyrusleeping> but i think its gonna be kewl
<bigbluehat> lmatteis: yeah. there'll need to be an incentive structure for storing stuff you "don't want" or stuff you don't know what it is anyhow--encrypted...and maybe don't want
<haad> whyrusleeping: sounds good! been looking forward to that (too)
<bigbluehat> that's where filecoin.io has some promise
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<whyrusleeping> haad: me too! :D
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<haad> ther's a lot to look forward to this year :)
<whyrusleeping> yep!
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<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: you can do echo $target | awk -F'/' '{ print $3 }'
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<whyrusleeping> for setting binaryname
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<whyrusleeping> change line 79 of build-go.sh to local binname=$(echo $target | awk -F'/' '{ print $3 }')
<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: ^
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: ok
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<bigbluehat> ;)
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<nicolagreco> i watched it richardlitt
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<richardlitt> Woot!
<richardlitt> hi bigbluehat :)
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: https://github.com/ipfs/distributions/pull/30
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<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: is this okay for listing all local files in the webui or do you know of a better way? https://github.com/ipfs/webui/pull/217
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<dignifiedquire> richardlitt: what was the code review wanted label again?
<whyrusleeping> dignifiedquire: NEEDS_REVIEW or something
<dignifiedquire> !pin QmT6pAkgEyfWfAvrg7kQcN6yaMoHQ8Co9WonKiCqzAjsgZ
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<richardlitt> Yeha
<richardlitt> I'll make a module to add this label to all repos
<richardlitt> I have it as a thing to do.
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<gaboose> whyrusleeping: you mention an interface {Dial, Matches} for manet dialers here https://github.com/jbenet/go-multiaddr-net/issues/7#issuecomment-145610322
<gaboose> can i ask where that utp codebase is?
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<gaboose> i'm interested in pluggable manet design and just want to wrap my head around all the info
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<whyrusleeping> Gaboose: yeah! thats actually what i've been working on this week
<whyrusleeping> i currently have go-multiaddr modular
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<gaboose> cool, is it on github?
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<ehd> Is there one true way™ of cryptographically signing arbitrary IPFS objects?
<whyrusleeping> yeah the latest version of go-multiaddr has that code
<whyrusleeping> ehd: not yet, soon
<ehd> whyrusleeping: depends on IPLD, I reckon
<ehd> and good to know, thanks!
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<bigbluehat> hi richardlitt ! ^_^
<bigbluehat> small web ;)
<richardlitt> very haha
<whyrusleeping> lgierth: you didnt change the gateway stuff did you?
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<gaboose> whyrusleeping: have you settled on how onion private key, other per-connection-config are going to be encoded into multiaddresses?
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<dignifiedquire> richardlitt: I thought you were going to be lazy today :P
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<richardlitt> dignifiedquire: I am?
<richardlitt> I'm tooling.
<richardlitt> :P
<dignifiedquire> tooling is important:)
<richardlitt> Yep. :)
<richardlitt> This is the video I mentioned, whyrusleeping: Hiking for Videos. https://vimeo.com/148060514
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<gaboose> whyrusleeping: from what I see you haven't started working on multiaddr-net, do you mind if I take a shot implementing tcp and ws dialers listeners in a pluggable way? :)
<gaboose> i see there's some discussion with onion networks and I'm not sure how to do those either
<gaboose> but i'd have working manet version that suits me
<gaboose> there'd be no need to follow my design choices and all that :)
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<lgierth> richardlitt: thanks for the video
<lgierth> richardlitt: you might like http://wndw.net/
<lgierth> haha looks like he
<lgierth> 's in the internet hall of fame now: http://internethalloffame.org/inductees/mahabir-pun
<lgierth> whyrusleeping: didn't touch anything since i told you about the whiskey yesterday
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<dignifiedquire> pinbot?
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<lgierth> !botsnack
<pinbot> om nom nom
<M-mubot> Thanks for the treat!
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<dignifiedquire> lgierth: did you use the v4 or the v3 hash for dist.ipfs.io?
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<lgierth> dignifiedquire: must have been the v04x hash because the three gateways serving dist.ipfs.io are the v04x gateways
<dignifiedquire> lgierth: okay :)
<lgierth> adding should yield the same hash on v03x and v04x
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<dignifiedquire> lgierth: what should I do if I have a new version, post the hash to your ops repo?
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<lgierth> yeah pls
<lgierth> jeromy and juan can deploy too
<lgierth> not sure jeromy has ever done it though
<lgierth> we should give ipns another try there
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<dignifiedquire> lgierth: that's the last bug fix we need to announce it I think :)
<lgierth> nice
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<lgierth> Error: pin: context canceled
<lgierth> wat
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<lgierth> dignifiedquire: ^5 i also seem to have one of these neverending pins
<lgierth> ok it succeeded after 10m52s.
<lgierth> on the first try it exited with 137, so that seems to mean that docker somehow killed the ipfs exec invocation
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<parkan> I'm having some trouble with EC2 security groups for the daemon, which ports do I need to open? 4001/5001?
<Ape> parkan: 4001 for the daemon, 5001 for api, 8080 for gateway. 4001 might be enough, depending on what you want to do
<lgierth> don't open up the api to the general public
<lgierth> unless you know what you're doing
<lgierth> the gateway has a limited readonly api
<parkan> what I'm seeing is that published objects don't appear to be reachable
<parkan> from the outside
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<Ape> 0.3.x or 0.4.x?
<parkan> oh you know what the ec2 instance is still on 0.3.x, let me update first
<Ape> Case solved, the networks are incompatible
<parkan> good call
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<dignifiedquire> jbenet: whyrusleeping richardlitt daviddias http://dist.ipfs.io/ is now a working thing!!!
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<parkan> hmm still can't get the objects, ipfs get just hangs
<parkan> on 0.4.0-dev on both sides
<Ape> parkan: Does 'ipfs swarm peers' show some peers on both sides?
<parkan> yeah, about 10 peers on ec2 side and ~30 on the other side
<Ape> Does 'ipfs ping <peer hash>' work from one side to the other?
<parkan> I'm assuming that's the ID value from `ipfs id`
<parkan> for self
<Ape> Yeah
<Ape> You can verify with 'ipfs ping <own peer hash>'. It should say that you were trying to ping yourself
<parkan> EC2 side gets a context deadline exceeded on trying to ping self
<parkan> other side gets a routing: not found on trying to ping self
<parkan> other side can ping peers from the swarm, though
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<Ape> Give me your peer hashes. I will try to connect to you.
<parkan> "other" side: QmRW2PTGpWk2X5sDbAvyDLV8668skcF8ADr1FcaP8VtC1q
<parkan> ec2 side: QmXSyBgdatMpHnPmPx5PgumGCPtXbEBfeWMLxiQAxAqdY1
<Ape> I can ping "other", but not ec2
<parkan> so sounds like NAT traversal is working (though something gets confused with trying to ping self)
<parkan> let me try changing my security group
<Ape> Actually seems that self ping has been changed. You should get "routing: not found".
<parkan> cool ok
<parkan> try pinging EC2 now
<Ape> Works
<parkan> sweet, thanks a lot Ape!
<Ape> No problem
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<chriscool> Hi everyone!
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<dignifiedquire> chriscool: hi yourself
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<jbenet> dignifiedquire:
<jbenet> dignifiedquire: that's awesome, thank you for shipping that.
<dignifiedquire> jbenet: :)
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<jbenet> dignifiedquire lgierth: https://github.com/ipfs/notes/issues/101
<dignifiedquire> jbenet: +1 for less transparency
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<dignifiedquire> in the sense of less hiding ipfs and more showing that they are hosted on ipfs
<jbenet> dignifiedquire: yep. maybe voice support in that issue?
<dignifiedquire> will do, when I have a real keyboard on my hands
<jbenet> chriscool: hello-- let me know if i'm blocking you on anything
<dignifiedquire> jbenet: what has higher priority, design wise, improving the site or the webui?
<jbenet> dignifiedquire: i think the webui needs to work better. and the ipfs.io needs a major upgrade but this will involve a lot more work, it's a big project which involves some research first + personification of our target audiences
<chriscool> @jbenet I am kind of blocked on https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/2208 as I don't know what to do about the changelog
<dignifiedquire> jbenet: agreed in bigger project
<dignifiedquire> jbenet: will continue on the webui for now
<chriscool> if whyrusleeping could answer about it that would probably move things forword
<chriscool> forward*
<dignifiedquire> jbenet: but it'd be great if you could start documenting all the things you already know you want/need for the site in the meantime
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<chriscool> or maybe we can merge https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/2208 already and create a separate issue about the default to "all" and the changelog
<jbenet> chriscool yes it is also important to get a changelog on the release branch. whyrusleeping can you make one? looks like you forgot it when you released 0.3.11
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<jbenet> chriscool: i think we should make the default to "all" and add it to the changelog for 4.0.0 (just make a new section. we can keep adding stuff there. it will be a major changelog)
<jbenet> dignifiedquire: very much agreed.
<chriscool> jbenet: ok I will do that
<jbenet> chriscool: i meant 0.4.0 up there o/
<chriscool> yeah ok :-)
<jbenet> lgierth: how's bandwidth utilization on our gateways? i think we should ship the basic (line-switching) relay service on 0.4.x as an opt-in, and users can find "nodes with the 'relay' service" to use.
<jbenet> lgierth: since most people connect to our bootstrappers/gateways, this would get us to full connectivity in the short term, even if is slower, bw heavy for us. in the long term replace this with packet switching.
<Kubuxu> relaying would be really useful, it would solve problems with IPv6 only nodes (I am running few of those).
<lgierth_lunch> jbenet: b/w-wise we can totally do it
<Kubuxu> (or cjdns only nodes)
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<jbenet> Kubuxu: the code is already there, and it works. it's just not compiled in.
<Kubuxu> Awesome, I understand that there are some concerns about it. It can be controversial.
<jbenet> Kubuxu: very. it should be an opt-in for default ipfs nodes always, though we may have some "ipfs infra nodes" which by default enable network services. (i.e. "opt in to run a node that helps the network"
<chriscool> jbenet: should I rebase everything in https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/2208 on top of the dev0.4.0 branch?
<jbenet> chriscool: master is now 0.4.0
<jbenet> chriscool: the dev0.4.0 is historical and should be removed soon
<chriscool> ah ok, thanks!
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] chriscool force-pushed add-arguments-to-pin-ls from aada69c to 29830da: https://git.io/vzRMQ
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/add-arguments-to-pin-ls b770c88 Christian Couder: pin/pin: replace isPinned() with isPinnedWithType()...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/add-arguments-to-pin-ls c89e3c2 Christian Couder: core/commands/pin: refactor 'pin ls'...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/add-arguments-to-pin-ls 4244f71 Christian Couder: core/commands/pin: make 'ipfs pin ls' accept path args...
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<chriscool> jbenet: could you take another look at https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/pull/2208 ?
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<ipfsbot> [webui] Dignifiedquire opened pull request #218: feat(connections): Move the globe outside (master...feat/move-globe) https://git.io/vz0JQ
<dignifiedquire> whyrusleeping: https://github.com/ipfs/webui/pull/218
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<Ronsor> IPFS
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<Ronsor> that ain't good
<achin> help make it better!
<Ronsor> yeah
<Ronsor> ircdecentralization2016
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<almeidinha> hey , anyone here?
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<Vylgryph> Me-ish?
<Vylgryph> Oh, is 0.4.0 out now?
<Vylgryph> No.
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<almeidinha> is it possible to add files to a IPFS's folder of someone else?
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<almeidinha> like a contribution to a git repository for instance
<deltab> only by making your own and getting others to refer to it
<deltab> existing data is immutable
<deltab> it's the same model as git
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<almeidinha> deltab: yes, but someone else could add files in a folder owned by me?
<almeidinha> if I allow it
<almeidinha> i am trying to figure out how to use IPFS to make collaborative media libraries on internet...
<achin> it doesn't make sense to say "folder owned by me"
<achin> there is no concept of ownership here
<achin> so the current problem with collaboration on IPFS is how to communicate IPFS hashes
<achin> if i create a folder of stuff, and add it to IPFS, how do i give the hash to you?
<achin> or once you have the hash, you might add something to it (and thus get a new hash), how do you communicate the hash back to me?
<Ronsor> ipns
<achin> right. that's the only pure-ipfs way at the moment, and it is not very good for use-cases like this
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<Vylgryph> IPFS is good for publishing the library, but not for creating.
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<almeidinha> achin: thaks, achin it's exactly what I was thinking... sorry, I but I didn't get it yet... it would be possible do it ("sync"? the hashs) with ipns?
<almeidinha> Vylgryph: hmmm but once i want add something else (just a music on audio liberary for instance) then it will be generate another hash for the entire folder?
<Vylgryph> Correct.
<Vylgryph> IPFS uses content-addressing: The hash identifies unambiguously what will come back.
<almeidinha> ok, and if someone "ipfs add"ed that folder
<Vylgryph> You put hash X in, you get content Y out. Always. Y cannot be altered at a later point without unavoidably creating a new hash.
<almeidinha> is there wany to do somenthing like git pull?
<Vylgryph> IPFS is just a redirect to a hash.
<almeidinha> or I would need to send the new hash by other way?
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<achin> "git pull" kinda does two things. the first is to ask the remote "what is the latest version of branch XYZ". the second is to download everything for XYZ. (third is actually to merge your local HEAD with the remote)
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<achin> with ipfs, you can use ipfs ("ipfs name resolve") as something like the first part
<achin> and then "ipfs get" as something like the second part
<almeidinha> hmmm , so first i think that i need to understand more ipns
<almeidinha> it is not completly clear for me how it works
<almeidinha> thanks achin
<achin> here is an ipns example:
<achin> ipfs name resolve QmbuG3dYjX5KjfAMaFQEPrRmTRkJupNUGRn1DXCgKK5ogD
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<almeidinha> Error: could not resolve name.
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<achin> uhh, try again? ipns does have a few issues at the moment
<almeidinha> abitporu@hpnote:~/ipfs$ ipfs name resolve QmbuG3dYjX5KjfAMaFQEPrRmTRkJupNUGRn1DXCgKK5ogD Error: could not resolve name.
<achin> can anyone else try?
<achin> this is probably just a boring and uninteresting IPNS bug
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<almeidinha> achin: i will try again later. another doubt: do u know if is it possible to host dynamic sites with ipfs?
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